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[argh!]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Strahm was overrated, did not have Olson's speed and was totally exposed by a weak MSU team. Even Vika was ahead of Olson on the depth chart. There is plenty of evidence; do you want to compare Vika to Olson today? Olson was the best LB in UM history as soon as he took the field as a junior, so he could not compete as a soph? I played the position and watch the position every game. What is it that makes you so expert, other than your defensive bias for Stitt/Semore?

gawd you are a clown. i'm just giving some possible reasons why others played over olsen. if you remember, there were a lot of guys given the boot by stitt, but olsen obviously wasn't. what is true is that a lot of teams passed on him out of high school, so i guess that automatically means all those other coaches were idiots, as per your logic. what were his measurables in 2017? did he gain weight/strength later? i don't know. do you? also, are you saying buss, banks, and strahm were bad? greenie frequently defended strahm, maybe ask him?

 

[MTGRZ]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Actually Argh!, I have spoken to numerous people close to the current coaches and some of the former coaches, and the consensus is that Stitt didn't realize what he had, particularly on defense. Like I also pointed out, look at our CBs last season and this season. Look at what we are forced to do. I'm not blaming the players one bit, because they have performed admirably in a position they were not recruited for. They have bought into the team first idea, and are playing their hearts out. But Stitt and Semore did not set this team up for long term success. This current staff has done a good job with what they had coming in. End of conversation.

 

[Cuervohola]

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

Stitt not knowing what he had in Olson is like saying Boston didn't know what they had in Ruth. Almost 100 years later, and nobody has a crystal ball yet.

 

[argh!]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Actually Argh!, I have spoken to numerous people close to the current coaches and some of the former coaches, and the consensus is that Stitt didn't realize what he had, particularly on defense. Like I also pointed out, look at our CBs last season and this season. Look at what we are forced to do. I'm not blaming the players one bit, because they have performed admirably in a position they were not recruited for. They have bought into the team first idea, and are playing their hearts out. But Stitt and Semore did not set this team up for long term success. This current staff has done a good job with what they had coming in. End of conversation.

Actually, Stitt did a fine job given that he took over the bare cupboards in the Cadillac.

 

[MTGRZ]

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

Stitt not knowing what he had in Olson is like saying Boston didn't know what they had in Ruth. Almost 100 years later, and nobody has a crystal ball yet.

I'm reporting what I have been told by numerous football savvy people. People with ties to the previous and current staff. Stitt's attitude towards the defense is why we are in the situation we are in defensively. Offensively, not enough depth at O-line. This current staff has damn near worked miracles to get this team where it is now. Give credit to the coaches and players that are here now, because they have over-performed across the board.

 

[kemajic]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

 

[kemajic]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

Considering the particular coach and the Olson production when he finally hit the field the following spring, it must be. He was also MVP of ST as a soph; that DC is not a hot item.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

Considering the particular coach and the Olson production when he finally hit the field the following spring, it must be. He was also MVP of ST as a soph; that DC is not a hot item.

So, you are saying you know more? And the evidence that you know more is that Olson played well the next spring? Is that it?

 

[kemajic]

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

Considering the particular coach and the Olson production when he finally hit the field the following spring, it must be. He was also MVP of ST as a soph; that DC is not a hot item.

So, you are saying you know more? And the evidence that you know more is that Olson played well the next spring? Is that it?

He didn't play "well"; he played like the star he is. Vika, who was ahead of him in the depth chart in '17 was exposed and moved to another position with little PT. That DC has not coached since. Watching Olson play provides the most evidence. '17 teammates often commented in wonder why he was not on the field. He didn't just become a player the spring of '18.

He could have even played elite LB in burnt orange and babysh!t yellow.

 

[PlayerRep]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Strahm was overrated, did not have Olson's speed and was totally exposed by a weak MSU team. Even Vika was ahead of Olson on the depth chart. There is plenty of evidence; do you want to compare Vika to Olson today? Olson was the best LB in UM history as soon as he took the field as a junior, so he could not compete as a soph? I played the position and watch the position every game. What is it that makes you so expert, other than your defensive bias for Stitt/Semore?

gawd you are a clown. i'm just giving some possible reasons why others played over olsen. if you remember, there were a lot of guys given the boot by stitt, but olsen obviously wasn't. what is true is that a lot of teams passed on him out of high school, so i guess that automatically means all those other coaches were idiots, as per your logic. what were his measurables in 2017? did he gain weight/strength later? i don't know. do you? also, are you saying buss, banks, and strahm were bad? greenie frequently defended strahm, maybe ask him?

I have never dissed Stitt for not starting Olson ahead of those 3 backers. All 3 were very good.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

Considering the particular coach and the Olson production when he finally hit the field the following spring, it must be. He was also MVP of ST as a soph; that DC is not a hot item.

So, you are saying you know more? And the evidence that you know more is that Olson played well the next spring? Is that it?

He didn't play "well"; he played like the star he is. Vika, who was ahead of him in the depth chart in '17 was exposed and moved to another position with little PT. That DC has not coached since. Watching Olson play provides the most evidence. '17 teammates often commented in wonder why he was not on the field. He didn't just become a player the spring of '18.

He could have even played elite LB in burnt orange and babysh!t yellow.

So, you know more than the 2017 coaching staff, right? Did you know more than the staff then, or did you develop the knowledge after the fact? I didn’t check, but I’m sure you must’ve been posting a ton about Olson not starting back in 2017, right?

 

[kemajic]

Considering the particular coach and the Olson production when he finally hit the field the following spring, it must be. He was also MVP of ST as a soph; that DC is not a hot item.

So, you are saying you know more? And the evidence that you know more is that Olson played well the next spring? Is that it?

He didn't play "well"; he played like the star he is. Vika, who was ahead of him in the depth chart in '17 was exposed and moved to another position with little PT. That DC has not coached since. Watching Olson play provides the most evidence. '17 teammates often commented in wonder why he was not on the field. He didn't just become a player the spring of '18.

He could have even played elite LB in burnt orange and babysh!t yellow.

So, you know more than the 2017 coaching staff, right? Did you know more than the staff then, or did you develop the knowledge after the fact? I didn’t check, but I’m sure you must’ve been posting a ton about Olson not starting back in 2017, right?

As much as you were posting how good Strahm and Vika were. My posting has been that Olson was buried in the depth chart; I have not said he should have been starting, although he probably should have been. If Olson wasn't a starter, you're good that Vika was #4 ahead of Olson and got a lot of PT at LB when Olson didn't? Warning; that is a trap question.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So, you are saying you know more? And the evidence that you know more is that Olson played well the next spring? Is that it?

He didn't play "well"; he played like the star he is. Vika, who was ahead of him in the depth chart in '17 was exposed and moved to another position with little PT. That DC has not coached since. Watching Olson play provides the most evidence. '17 teammates often commented in wonder why he was not on the field. He didn't just become a player the spring of '18.

He could have even played elite LB in burnt orange and babysh!t yellow.

So, you know more than the 2017 coaching staff, right? Did you know more than the staff then, or did you develop the knowledge after the fact? I didn’t check, but I’m sure you must’ve been posting a ton about Olson not starting back in 2017, right?

As much as you were posting how good Strahm and Vika were. My posting has been that Olson was buried in the depth chart; I have not said he should have been starting, although he probably should have been. If Olson wasn't a starter, you're good that Vika was #4 ahead of Olson and got a lot of PT at LB when Olson didn't? Warning; that is a trap question.

Oh, I don’t know. See, I’m not the one who thinks he knows more than a DI coaching staff. I was just wondering when you acquired the superior knowledge. I’m quite certain it was during 2017, and not after. It would be really fucking stupid to use post-2017 results as an argument regarding 2017 personnel decisions, right? As for me, I’m just here to learn.

 

[Griz#64]

Scheme is chalkboard stuff and for those, that envision themselves as college coaches, while working night shift at the Bonner mill.. Christ. Let Coaches Coach and never encumber athletes with a bunch of reads, and schemes.and different sophisticated coverages. Let them play.

 

[ordigger]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

December 2nd, 2017....Ordigger said....

I would add Sims, and Olson on defense. I think Olson really steps up his game as a starter this year. And lets not forget Favaroso, he stepped up his game big time the 2nd half. Sandry wasn't so great this year at times, but hopefully that was due to his injury.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

olsen was listed as 6'3", 223 pounds in 2017. 237 pounds last year, 240 pounds now. so he obviously gained a fair amount of weight after 2017. could that have anything to do with his starting or not? of course it could. but you won't admit it, kem.

It could, but it didn't because his elite makeup centers around his speed and ability to play sideline to sideline which Strahm couldn't. At 223 lb he could make Vika look silly. At 240 he is NFL material. NFL draftees often are pretty good college players as sophomores if they are not overlooked, but you won't admit it, argh.

Are you suggesting that you know more than a Division I football coach when it comes to starting a 220 pound underclassman at LB?

December 2nd, 2017....Ordigger said....

I would add Sims, and Olson on defense. I think Olson really steps up his game as a starter this year. And lets not forget Favaroso, he stepped up his game big time the 2nd half. Sandry wasn't so great this year at times, but hopefully that was due to his injury.

Sure, but did you say you weren’t going to support the university anymore unless something went the way you wanted it to go? Are you a true fan?

 

[George Ferguson]

My concern with this thread is why is anyone feeling the need to post one negative thing about Vika. He is literally the most respected, liked and looked up to Grizzly in the program right now. His willingness to do anything the coaching staff has asked of him is one of the biggest reasons why the Griz have the type of team chemistry and bond they have right now. Everybody sees and respects what Vika and, I'll add, Coby Eaton have done for this program. Vika literally is revered inside that lockerroom, smh.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

My concern with this thread is why is anyone feeling the need to post one negative thing about Vika. He is literally the most respected, liked and looked up to Grizzly in the program right now. His willingness to do anything the coaching staff has asked of him is one of the biggest reasons why the Griz have the type of team chemistry and bond they have right now. Everybody sees and respects what Vika and, I'll add, Coby Eaton have done for this program. Vika literally is revered inside that lockerroom, smh.

Great post. :clap:
That does it. If Vika doesn’t start getting the recognition he deserves, I’m going to begin to think about commencing the process of possibly withdrawing all support from the university. Choose wisely, Griz Nation.