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[AZGrizFan]

no, you wrote, in what comes off as condescending, "do you want me to compare olson to vika today?". spin it how you want, but that sounds like an unnecessary comment to me.

Man, is that ever a stretch. The head of the PC police. Many of the comments in this thread are unnecessary but for the defensive Semore supporters. Anyone that knows anything about football and LB play knows that Olson was underutilized until Hauck/Baer came to town.

I also know what hindsight is. Were you braying about Olson during his sophomore year about how he should be starting? Because every armchair QB out there can say NOW how he should have been, based on his last two years. But projecting 2018-19 Olson onto 2016-2017 is a fool’s errand....

I’m guessing you were also on here last year complaining about how little Jace Lewis was used in the previous two years? Because after his breakout this year, it’s obvious he must have been underutilized last year and the year before...

Do you not wonder why Olson was not more known on the Griz D when he was a sophomore? I can't imagine that he went from being a 3d stringer to almost an all-American in just one off-season. He did have some stats as a sophomore, I see to recall.

He played in all 11 games. Registered 38 total tackles. Our top three tacklers were Banks/Buss/Straham with 111/94/88. The next LB in tackles was Dante, then Cochran with 20 THEN Vika (16 total) then Jace Lewis with 13.

Something tells me Kem misremembers exactly how much PT Olson got as a sophomore.

 

[Missoula223]

Beyond any shadow of any doubt the slow starts to the first quarter of nearly every game doomed the Griz. You knew it would catch up to them eventually. They got behind to a team playing with a whole lot more emotion and then started to press. The perfect formula for disaster. I cannot understand why the Griz have such bad starts to games. THAT is a coaching problem.

What should the coaches do differently?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Man, is that ever a stretch. The head of the PC police. Many of the comments in this thread are unnecessary but for the defensive Semore supporters. Anyone that knows anything about football and LB play knows that Olson was underutilized until Hauck/Baer came to town.

I also know what hindsight is. Were you braying about Olson during his sophomore year about how he should be starting? Because every armchair QB out there can say NOW how he should have been, based on his last two years. But projecting 2018-19 Olson onto 2016-2017 is a fool’s errand....

I’m guessing you were also on here last year complaining about how little Jace Lewis was used in the previous two years? Because after his breakout this year, it’s obvious he must have been underutilized last year and the year before...

So, it's not possible Kem paid attention? Perhaps he observed Olson's wight room work and weight gains. Perhaps he watched Spring ball and scrimmages. Perhaps he talked to parents and other boosters who pay attention. Perhaps DO's potential was clear and obvious to those who know anything about the game.

These things certainly allow Kem to know things about how DO would play even before taking a single snap, correct? Isn't that evidence or even proof?

ISWYDT :lol:

 

[kemajic]

Do you not wonder why Olson was not more known on the Griz D when he was a sophomore? I can't imagine that he went from being a 3d stringer to almost an all-American in just one off-season. He did have some stats as a sophomore, I see to recall.

His stats were from his dominant performance on STs; he was the ST POTY. He saw very little game PT at LB.

 

[grizindabox]

Kem is correct, 2 of these guys were not very good LBs, banks, buss, and strahm. Dante should have been playing a lot more as a Soph, and imho, should have been starting alongside buss. Also, didn't Semore make an attempt to move Dante to Defensive End?

 

[argh!]

Kem is correct, 2 of these guys were not very good LBs, banks, buss, and strahm. Dante should have been playing a lot more as a Soph, and imho, should have been starting alongside buss. Also, didn't Semore make an attempt to move Dante to Defensive End?

in 2017, when olsen was a 223 pound sophomore, banks and buss were both 2nd team all big sky. strahm, even with some missed games, was 3rd team. banks led the team in tackles, buss was 2nd, despite injuries. banks had 111 tackles and 5 sacks. despite some of us not liking his antics, strahm was defended time and again on egriz as a 'game changer' who provoked others into personal fouls. all this under a d-coordinator you guys say was really bad.

kem is just fixated on finding things 'wrong' with a coach who hasn't been around for two years.

 

[kemajic]

all this under a d-coordinator you guys say was really bad.

Who has been unable to land a coaching job since. Possibly I'm not the only one who noticed problems.

 

[argh!]

all this under a d-coordinator you guys say was really bad.

Who has been unable to land a coaching job since. Possibly I'm not the only one who noticed problems.

so you agree, the linebackers had good production, despite the crappy schemes.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Beyond any shadow of any doubt the slow starts to the first quarter of nearly every game doomed the Griz. You knew it would catch up to them eventually. They got behind to a team playing with a whole lot more emotion and then started to press. The perfect formula for disaster. I cannot understand why the Griz have such bad starts to games. THAT is a coaching problem.

That is a player execution problem. You don't have a clue and obviously never played the game.

Well at least you are predictable; a broken record but predictable. Ultimately the "team performance buck" stops with the coaches. If it was one or two not ready to perform then clearly it is on them. But when the entire team (relatively) sucks for 15 minutes, it is on the coaches.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Beyond any shadow of any doubt the slow starts to the first quarter of nearly every game doomed the Griz. You knew it would catch up to them eventually. They got behind to a team playing with a whole lot more emotion and then started to press. The perfect formula for disaster. I cannot understand why the Griz have such bad starts to games. THAT is a coaching problem.

What should the coaches do differently?

Not a clue but certainly something different because whatever they are doing isn't working. Other teams, even clearly less talented teams, manage to be ready to go while the Griz appear to still be sleeping and they fall behind. Somehow (the three lost games excepted) they wake up and start playing. You can blame the players if you wish but it is a team problem and the coach(es) own the team's performance.

 

[reinell30]

Some one let a Bobcat loose on the field or a duck or a bunch of hornets and see if this motivates this team to start fired up? Memories of Sac St and MSU loses should make them wake up from the start! The Duck, well it is what could have been maybe...

 

[Missoula223]

Beyond any shadow of any doubt the slow starts to the first quarter of nearly every game doomed the Griz. You knew it would catch up to them eventually. They got behind to a team playing with a whole lot more emotion and then started to press. The perfect formula for disaster. I cannot understand why the Griz have such bad starts to games. THAT is a coaching problem.

What should the coaches do differently?

Not a clue but certainly something different because whatever they are doing isn't working. Other teams, even clearly less talented teams, manage to be ready to go while the Griz appear to still be sleeping and they fall behind. Somehow (the three lost games excepted) they wake up and start playing. You can blame the players if you wish but it is a team problem and the coach(es) own the team's performance.

This is the only important thing from your statement.

PR is right. You are clueless as to what it takes to play and coach a football team. In Hauck's 2nd year they are 9-3 with a home playoff game. You couldn't imagine what goes into getting a team to simply win 9 games. How many hours a week do you work? 40/50? Coaches put in 90+ easily to win 9 games and still get bitched at by dumbass fans like you. Upsets happen every week at every level. No coach can avoid it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Beyond any shadow of any doubt the slow starts to the first quarter of nearly every game doomed the Griz. You knew it would catch up to them eventually. They got behind to a team playing with a whole lot more emotion and then started to press. The perfect formula for disaster. I cannot understand why the Griz have such bad starts to games. THAT is a coaching problem.

That is a player execution problem. You don't have a clue and obviously never played the game.

Well at least you are predictable; a broken record but predictable. Ultimately the "team performance buck" stops with the coaches. If it was one or two not ready to perform then clearly it is on them. But when the entire team (relatively) sucks for 15 minutes, it is on the coaches.

The slow starts are often mostly from the several bad or unlucky plays. It's not that the whole team isn't prepared or ready. Coaches, especially coaches that emphasize ball security, don't cause fumbles. Coaches usually don't cause interceptions, unless perhaps they have the QB or scheme throwing into the wrong coverage. Coaches don't cause dropped balls. Coaches don't cause penalties. Coaches don't cause missed tackles. Coaches don't cause blow pass coverage. Yes, occasionally coaches can contribute to some of the problems, but that is the exception,.

You are consistent too, showing you don't understand the game. But, of course, you are welcome to be wrong as much as you want.

 

[PlayerRep]

Kem is correct, 2 of these guys were not very good LBs, banks, buss, and strahm. Dante should have been playing a lot more as a Soph, and imho, should have been starting alongside buss. Also, didn't Semore make an attempt to move Dante to Defensive End?

Banks, Buss and Strahm were all very good linebackers. Info straight from defensive coaches.

 

[PAGriz]

So, you are saying you know more? And the evidence that you know more is that Olson played well the next spring? Is that it?

He didn't play "well"; he played like the star he is. Vika, who was ahead of him in the depth chart in '17 was exposed and moved to another position with little PT. That DC has not coached since. Watching Olson play provides the most evidence. '17 teammates often commented in wonder why he was not on the field. He didn't just become a player the spring of '18.

He could have even played elite LB in burnt orange and babysh!t yellow.

So, you know more than the 2017 coaching staff, right? Did you know more than the staff then, or did you develop the knowledge after the fact? I didn’t check, but I’m sure you must’ve been posting a ton about Olson not starting back in 2017, right?

As much as you were posting how good Strahm and Vika were. My posting has been that Olson was buried in the depth chart; I have not said he should have been starting, although he probably should have been. If Olson wasn't a starter, you're good that Vika was #4 ahead of Olson and got a lot of PT at LB when Olson didn't? Warning; that is a trap question.

No offense but you are full of it. Olson wasnt buried on the depth chart. He played a lot more than Vika and they played different linebacker positions in a very different defense.
"If you ever played the game" you would know that the middle linebacker in a 4-3 had A gap responsibility against the run,period!

2017 team had 99.5 TFL's in 11 games compared to 69TFL's in 12 games this year. Why the drop off?

Go back and watch the games. Vika played a lot in 2 and half games filling in for a player that was being disciplined. He played very little besides that.

 

[Missoula223]

He didn't play "well"; he played like the star he is. Vika, who was ahead of him in the depth chart in '17 was exposed and moved to another position with little PT. That DC has not coached since. Watching Olson play provides the most evidence. '17 teammates often commented in wonder why he was not on the field. He didn't just become a player the spring of '18.

He could have even played elite LB in burnt orange and babysh!t yellow.

So, you know more than the 2017 coaching staff, right? Did you know more than the staff then, or did you develop the knowledge after the fact? I didn’t check, but I’m sure you must’ve been posting a ton about Olson not starting back in 2017, right?

As much as you were posting how good Strahm and Vika were. My posting has been that Olson was buried in the depth chart; I have not said he should have been starting, although he probably should have been. If Olson wasn't a starter, you're good that Vika was #4 ahead of Olson and got a lot of PT at LB when Olson didn't? Warning; that is a trap question.

No offense but you are full of it. Olson wasnt buried on the depth chart. He played a lot more than Vika and they played different linebacker positions in a very different defense.
"If you ever played the game" you would know that the middle linebacker in a 4-3 had A gap responsibility against the run,period!

2017 team had 99.5 TFL's in 11 games compared to 69TFL's in 12 games this year. Why the drop off?

Go back and watch the games. Vika played a lot in 2 and half games filling in for a player that was being disciplined. He played very little besides that.

"middle linebacker in a 4-3 had A gap responsibility against the run,period!"
This is not always true.

Your single stat regarding TFLs is meaningless.

 

[der graue Wolf]

I'm about to stop this car and make both of you walk back to town.

 

[grizophile]

Perfect!! Make sure they are sans weapons first.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Beyond any shadow of any doubt the slow starts to the first quarter of nearly every game doomed the Griz. You knew it would catch up to them eventually. They got behind to a team playing with a whole lot more emotion and then started to press. The perfect formula for disaster. I cannot understand why the Griz have such bad starts to games. THAT is a coaching problem.

What should the coaches do differently?

Not a clue but certainly something different because whatever they are doing isn't working. Other teams, even clearly less talented teams, manage to be ready to go while the Griz appear to still be sleeping and they fall behind. Somehow (the three lost games excepted) they wake up and start playing. You can blame the players if you wish but it is a team problem and the coach(es) own the team's performance.

PR is right. You are clueless as to what it takes to play and coach a football team. In Hauck's 2nd year they are 9-3 with a home playoff game. You couldn't imagine what goes into getting a team to simply win 9 games. How many hours a week do you work? 40/50? Coaches put in 90+ easily to win 9 games and still get bitched at by dumbass fans like you. Upsets happen every week at every level. No coach can avoid it.

OK, here's a clue. Clearly last year the Griz didn't finish games. They lost several winnable games in the 4th quarter. Something had to be done and it was. Incredible emphasis was placed on finishing -- and it has seemed to pay off -- however maybe so much emphasis that the team lacks focus on starting? It isn't a zero sum game. Good teams can finish. Great teams start AND finish. Harken back to the DD days. In his junior and senior years he played very little in many 4th (and several games played only about half of the 3rd) quarters because the Griz started and continued to play so well. They really didn't have to worry about finishing all that great. A lot of 2's and 3's got experience that paid off in subsequent years.


Funny that you expect me to know what the coaches need to differently when there is no possible way for me to know what goes on in practice or in the training sessions. I find it amusing that you seem to believe absolutely nothing can be done to change the poor early game performance. Hopefully you don't coach the game.

And, yeah, I'm the "dumbass" but you are the one who has to resort to name calling.

 

[MontanaJack2006]

Can we please get back to the weather?