Fire Baer

[cclarkblues]

I thought the topic was "Free Beer".

 

[SaskGriz]

I thought the topic was "Free Beer".

I think Fire Bears would be a pretty cool nickname.

 

[go96griz]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

I dont know why BH brought it in. Perhaps it was the Griz roster as he arrived, or simply the somewhat pass happy BSC.

But, it should be clear at this point the Griz absolutely required safety emphasis to stop the run this year. Even then, it was insufficient at times while exposing the defense to the long ball.

I think the defense was conflicted most if the season...they have to put safeties up for run support..but corners not always steady.

Hoping the week off gives them a chance to heal and reset.

Gonna need to generate some turnovers in the playoffs...

 

[Diesel]

As per Jeopardy...Who is Smokey the Bear?

The defense this year plays faster then in recent past, for the most part tackling has been good. Don’t see confusion as per last staff. Last week they were slow getting to the point of attack. Good game plan by MSU and UM offense did little to nothing to protect them.

Several wrinkles and flexibility to attack in many ways. Hear a lot of complaints about using three safeties causes a weakness against the run. Outside of Robby all our Safeties are the size of linebackers. 6’ and 205-215 is typical size for FCS and even FBS linebackers.

Appreciate George F’s post on key injuries, the upside is young players are getting valuable playing time.

I like the experience of the coaching staff and the longer they stay together is better for the program.

 

[PlayerRep]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

Hauck liked the D run at SDS, and that's what he wanted to run, is my understanding.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

Hauck liked the D run at SDS, and that's what he wanted to run, is my understanding.

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

 

[Copper Griz]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

Hauck liked the D run at SDS, and that's what he wanted to run, is my understanding.

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

 

[The.Real.2506]

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

Hauck liked the D run at SDS, and that's what he wanted to run, is my understanding.

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

 

[MTGRZ]

Didn't read the entire thread so maybe this has been stated already, but wanted to point out that the 3-3-5 stack scheme came with Bobby from San Diego State. Baer's background is the 4-3.

That is interesting. Wonder if it was a product of not feeling like he had the horses up front to run a 4-3?

Yes. 100% I believe this is it. Stitt did not recruit enough dudes to play a legit 4-3. Our D-line was neglected by stitt, our CBs were neglected by stitt. Personnel has a lot to do with it. The Griz #1 CB this year played his first two years as a WR....let that sink in. Our D-line is full of freshmen (with the exception of Sims) and is only now starting to get the depth needed. I'll give this staff another year at a minimum because of the empty cupboards left by stitt.

 

[MTGRZ]

Hauck liked the D run at SDS, and that's what he wanted to run, is my understanding.

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

 

[The.Real.2506]

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

I agree :shock:

with the whole post, not just the underlined part :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

BH still don't have the horses for a 3 man front. At least Choate knows what he has and schemes to get the most out of his players abilities.

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

Who was Olson going to start over as a freshman or sophomore? Asking for a friend.

 

[PlayerRep]

Your simplifying things. Choate has been in place for four years. Bobby is still building in year two. The Griz don’t have the horses to run a four man at this point either. Choate was lucky to get a couple of drop downs. Will BH guild from the bottom up or get a couple of drop downs? Will be interesting to see. Still early in the process, yet he is ahead of schedule.

Exactly, Choate wanted to run a 3 man front from the beginning similar to what he knew at UW. TG didnt come from that background, but was able to run a good hybrid scheme while they recruited players to fit the 3 man front. When Kane returned, he had had a 2 year advanced course on what Choate wanted to run. After the UND game this year MSU committed to the UW scheme fully, Choate has had 4 years putting the right players in place. Until they had the players they ran a hybrid system.

BH is in his 2nd year and has already committed to the 335, I don't think he has either the 3 man front or the secondary to pull it off yet. He is a reasonably good recruiter and I think he will get there, but in the meantime it just looks like he is pounding a square peg into a round hole.

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

Who was Olson going to start over as a freshman or sophomore? Asking for a friend.

Note that Olson didn't start, as sophomore, even when Vika was starting when another good backer was being punished for getting into a little trouble.

 

[argh!]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

 

[PlayerRep]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Why did Vika start over Olson for 3 or so games when at the start of the 2017 season?

 

[kemajic]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Strahm was overrated, did not have Olson's speed and was totally exposed by a weak MSU team. Even Vika was ahead of Olson on the depth chart. There is plenty of evidence; do you want to compare Vika to Olson today? Olson was the best LB in UM history as soon as he took the field as a junior, so he could not compete as a soph? I played the position and watch the position every game. What is it that makes you so expert, other than your defensive bias for Stitt/Semore?

 

[argh!]

Give them another year at a minimum to get their dudes. Stitt left us with nothing on defense. He didn't even realize what he had in Olson....obviously he wasn't concerned enough with defense, so that's why we still have a #1 CB that played his first two years at WR. Hauck and staff have done a great job getting the most out of stitt's guys, in my opinion.

in 2017 stitt had banks, buss, and strahm as starting linebackers. is olsen better than them now? sure. was he as a sophomore? i'm not so sure. until buss got hurt, he was said to be nfl-bound. banks had tons of tackles. strahm, while i personally didn't like some of his antics, was also considered quite good. so stop with the bs about 'stitt not realizing what he had'. you don't have enough evidence for that, because you'd have to compare the sophomore olsen to those others, who were pretty darn good.

Why did Vika start over Olson for 3 or so games when at the start of the 2017 season?

because strahm was in trouble for something or other. did strahm play the same position as olsen? anyway, olsen played in all 11 games, had 38 tackles overall (16 solo)

 

[PlayerRep]

Inside backers.