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Final defensive stats - head scratcher

NorthwestFresh said:
HookedonGriz said:
I hear what you're saying and i agree to some extent. My bigger point (which I thought was obvious) was how in the heck do you put up those stats in the big sky and end up as far down as we did. That's all I was saying. We were balanced in the big sky both defensively and offensively and still sucked. Stats really are for losers.

Terrible scoring offense, as well as being having a few games that are outliers completely skew the stats. The Bobcats were Top 3-5 in most defensive categories, too, and won 4 games because an awful JC transfer, and then a true freshman running back, played QB for them.

If yards gained instead of points scored won games, then the Griz would be in the playoffs. Stitt may win a national title in yards gain, but scoring TDs with no TEs or large packages in the red zone isn't easy at the FCS level.

It's a bit like campaigning/playing in an election where Electoral votes determine the winner, and then after losing that game you played say "hey, but we had more votes/yards, so we win!" A moral victory, I suppose, but not a victory in the game you actually played.

You play by the rules of the game, which in football is to score the most points, and not the most yards gained, and in presidential elections, you campaign for Electoral votes, and not for the total amount of voters you receive playing that game.

What's funny is in football nobody thinks that gaining more yards means anything. In things that matter, like determining a president, suddenly yards gained do matter. It's upside down.

We we're top 10 fcs in scoring offense. Even if you take the 60+ points games away we would still be top 25.

It's funny how people claim to know shit but basic logic and math will prove that it's just not true. This was the best scoring offense we've had in over 15 years so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "terrible"
 
Eriul said:
It's funny how people claim to know shit but basic logic and math will prove that it's just not true. This was the best scoring offense we've had in over 15 years so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "terrible"
I don't think the words "scoring offense" mean the same to you as they do to other speakers of the English language.
 
bgbigdog said:
Wonderful development here. For a guy who couldn't spell Twitter @ this time last year, we've got a multiple picture post, replete with hashtags. Welcome to the world big fella.
Well, Ty's entitled to his celebration.

As I wrote a year ago.
UMGriz75 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:39 am
I agreed with Brint's assessment of Ty Gregorak last Fall, and believe that Gregorak continued to improve. Knowledgeable outsiders termed some of his designs "masterful." As I noted early on, the best thing that happened to Coach Stitt coming to Montana was to have Ty Gregorak as his DC.

On the other hand, who could have guessed that Coach Stitt would coach with his elbows?
...
So, here's the guy that knows Stitt's strategy, attended the closed practices, developed an absolute loathing for Stitt, and Stitt's own "method" of coaching turned the guy loose at a major rival, no doubt willing to call any other DC and OC in the conference when Griz games are on the schedule.

To some, this is apparently thought of as "strategic thinking."

There's the old saying about not letting your ego burn your bridges, but there's a corollary, don't burn your bridge when you are standing on it.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/800084949852266496[/tweet]
The ironies of life always abound, the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on ...
 
bgbigdog said:
driftwood said:
it appears TG has an opinion on it...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachGregorak/status/804179989864259585[/tweet]

Wonderful development here. For a guy who couldn't spell Twitter @ this time last year, we've got a multiple picture post, replete with hashtags. Welcome to the world big fella.
I'd bet that MSU has an intern to handle the complex 160 character limit for staff who are technologically challenged.
#opposablethumbs #memberberries
 
bgbigdog said:
driftwood said:
it appears TG has an opinion on it...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachGregorak/status/804179989864259585[/tweet]

Wonderful development here. For a guy who couldn't spell Twitter @ this time last year, we've got a multiple picture post, replete with hashtags. Welcome to the world big fella.
:lol: Next year, my friend! #drownedintheshitpond #6-25 #TOT17
 
UMGriz75 said:
bgbigdog said:
Wonderful development here. For a guy who couldn't spell Twitter @ this time last year, we've got a multiple picture post, replete with hashtags. Welcome to the world big fella.
Well, Ty's entitled to his celebration.

As I wrote a year ago.
UMGriz75 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:39 am
I agreed with Brint's assessment of Ty Gregorak last Fall, and believe that Gregorak continued to improve. Knowledgeable outsiders termed some of his designs "masterful." As I noted early on, the best thing that happened to Coach Stitt coming to Montana was to have Ty Gregorak as his DC.

On the other hand, who could have guessed that Coach Stitt would coach with his elbows?
...
So, here's the guy that knows Stitt's strategy, attended the closed practices, developed an absolute loathing for Stitt, and Stitt's own "method" of coaching turned the guy loose at a major rival, no doubt willing to call any other DC and OC in the conference when Griz games are on the schedule.

To some, this is apparently thought of as "strategic thinking."

There's the old saying about not letting your ego burn your bridges, but there's a corollary, don't burn your bridge when you are standing on it.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/800084949852266496[/tweet]
The ironies of life always abound, the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on ...

Entitled. No doubt. But let's not pretend that everything that happened was a result of the great Ty Gregorak. Choate didn't defer or demur to the point.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/brawl-of-the-wild-griz-to-face-cats-defense-much/article_fa59d05b-2d80-5709-bde7-76ba6f3e31b4.html

The defense all of us saw on the field that day didn't look anything like a Gregorak defense of years prior. I'll give him credit for finally understanding that listening to the boss is a virtue.
 
bgbigdog said:
UMGriz75 said:
bgbigdog said:
Wonderful development here. For a guy who couldn't spell Twitter @ this time last year, we've got a multiple picture post, replete with hashtags. Welcome to the world big fella.
Well, Ty's entitled to his celebration.

As I wrote a year ago.
UMGriz75 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:39 am
I agreed with Brint's assessment of Ty Gregorak last Fall, and believe that Gregorak continued to improve. Knowledgeable outsiders termed some of his designs "masterful." As I noted early on, the best thing that happened to Coach Stitt coming to Montana was to have Ty Gregorak as his DC.

On the other hand, who could have guessed that Coach Stitt would coach with his elbows?
...
So, here's the guy that knows Stitt's strategy, attended the closed practices, developed an absolute loathing for Stitt, and Stitt's own "method" of coaching turned the guy loose at a major rival, no doubt willing to call any other DC and OC in the conference when Griz games are on the schedule.

To some, this is apparently thought of as "strategic thinking."

There's the old saying about not letting your ego burn your bridges, but there's a corollary, don't burn your bridge when you are standing on it.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/800084949852266496[/tweet]
The ironies of life always abound, the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on ...

Entitled. No doubt. But let's not pretend that everything that happened was a result of the great Ty Gregorak. Choate didn't defer or demur to the point.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/brawl-of-the-wild-griz-to-face-cats-defense-much/article_fa59d05b-2d80-5709-bde7-76ba6f3e31b4.html

The defense all of us saw on the field that day didn't look anything like a Gregorak defense of years prior. I'll give him credit for finally understanding that listening to the boss is a virtue.
By the sounds of it, Choate brought TG on-board to lead cheers, set up chairs and carry heavy stuff.

Do you think he just wants to stand next to someone fatter so he looks thin? Serious question.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Eriul said:
It's funny how people claim to know shit but basic logic and math will prove that it's just not true. This was the best scoring offense we've had in over 15 years so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "terrible"
I don't think the words "scoring offense" mean the same to you as they do to other speakers of the English language.


Are you seriously this troll? I pulled that from the statistics on SCORING OFFENSE. The EXACT WORDS he and I used

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fcs/current/team/27
 
Ursa Major said:
bgbigdog said:
UMGriz75 said:
bgbigdog said:
Wonderful development here. For a guy who couldn't spell Twitter @ this time last year, we've got a multiple picture post, replete with hashtags. Welcome to the world big fella.
Well, Ty's entitled to his celebration.

As I wrote a year ago.
UMGriz75 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:39 am
I agreed with Brint's assessment of Ty Gregorak last Fall, and believe that Gregorak continued to improve. Knowledgeable outsiders termed some of his designs "masterful." As I noted early on, the best thing that happened to Coach Stitt coming to Montana was to have Ty Gregorak as his DC.

On the other hand, who could have guessed that Coach Stitt would coach with his elbows?
...
So, here's the guy that knows Stitt's strategy, attended the closed practices, developed an absolute loathing for Stitt, and Stitt's own "method" of coaching turned the guy loose at a major rival, no doubt willing to call any other DC and OC in the conference when Griz games are on the schedule.

To some, this is apparently thought of as "strategic thinking."

There's the old saying about not letting your ego burn your bridges, but there's a corollary, don't burn your bridge when you are standing on it.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Bwahlberg/status/800084949852266496[/tweet]
The ironies of life always abound, the dogs bark, and the caravan moves on ...

Entitled. No doubt. But let's not pretend that everything that happened was a result of the great Ty Gregorak. Choate didn't defer or demur to the point.

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/brawl-of-the-wild-griz-to-face-cats-defense-much/article_fa59d05b-2d80-5709-bde7-76ba6f3e31b4.html

The defense all of us saw on the field that day didn't look anything like a Gregorak defense of years prior. I'll give him credit for finally understanding that listening to the boss is a virtue.
By the sounds of it, Choate brought TG on-board to lead cheers, set up chairs and carry heavy stuff.

Do you think he just wants to stand next to someone fatter so he looks thin? Serious question.

Spot on as usual. I have a life-size cutout I pull out for all social occasions. Works to me.
 
Eriul said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eriul said:
It's funny how people claim to know shit but basic logic and math will prove that it's just not true. This was the best scoring offense we've had in over 15 years so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "terrible"
I don't think the words "scoring offense" mean the same to you as they do to other speakers of the English language.

Are you seriously this troll? I pulled that from the statistics on SCORING OFFENSE. The EXACT WORDS he and I used
I don't think the word "scoring" means to you what it means to the scoreboard:, ie translating kinetic movement into ... scores. Brownian motion can put up yards. Coaching and strategies put up scores.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Eriul said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eriul said:
It's funny how people claim to know shit but basic logic and math will prove that it's just not true. This was the best scoring offense we've had in over 15 years so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "terrible"
I don't think the words "scoring offense" mean the same to you as they do to other speakers of the English language.

Are you seriously this troll? I pulled that from the statistics on SCORING OFFENSE. The EXACT WORDS he and I used
I don't think the word "scoring" means to you what it means to the scoreboard:, ie translating kinetic movement into ... scores. Brownian motion can put up yards. Coaching and strategies put up scores.

Are... you really... this stupid...
 
Eriul said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eriul said:
UMGriz75 said:
I don't think the words "scoring offense" mean the same to you as they do to other speakers of the English language.

Are you seriously this troll? I pulled that from the statistics on SCORING OFFENSE. The EXACT WORDS he and I used
I don't think the word "scoring" means to you what it means to the scoreboard:, ie translating kinetic movement into ... scores. Brownian motion can put up yards. Coaching and strategies put up scores.

Are... you really... this stupid...
Nothing stupid about it; we did not outscore our BSC opponent 5 times this year and finished 8th in the conference.
 
kemajic said:
Eriul said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eriul said:
Are you seriously this troll? I pulled that from the statistics on SCORING OFFENSE. The EXACT WORDS he and I used
I don't think the word "scoring" means to you what it means to the scoreboard:, ie translating kinetic movement into ... scores. Brownian motion can put up yards. Coaching and strategies put up scores.

Are... you really... this stupid...
Nothing stupid about it; we did not outscore our BSC opponent 5 times this year and finished 8th in the conference.

That means nothing about our scoring offense...

Do you guys know what scoring offense means and how easily the statistic is generated?
 
Eriul said:
kemajic said:
Eriul said:
UMGriz75 said:
I don't think the word "scoring" means to you what it means to the scoreboard:, ie translating kinetic movement into ... scores. Brownian motion can put up yards. Coaching and strategies put up scores.

Are... you really... this stupid...
Nothing stupid about it; we did not outscore our BSC opponent 5 times this year and finished 8th in the conference.

That means nothing about our scoring offense...

Do you guys know what scoring offense means and how easily the statistic is generated?
57 TDs; over half (29) came in three games.
 
i believe is more likely someone miscalculated our win/loss record, because we clearly had a incredibly superior scoring offense. Minus the context of what actually occurred, of course.
 
kemajic said:
Eriul said:
kemajic said:
Eriul said:
Are... you really... this stupid...
Nothing stupid about it; we did not outscore our BSC opponent 5 times this year and finished 8th in the conference.

That means nothing about our scoring offense...

Do you guys know what scoring offense means and how easily the statistic is generated?
57 TDs; over half (29) came in three games.

Still not applicable to scoring offense. But again... for the third time... if you you take those 3 games out we still average 30 points a game which still is very good compared to the rest of the fcs

Also you're complaining about 4 tds a game for the other games which is 28 points since you clearly hate math. 28 ppg off of tds alone is not considered "terrible" unless you're in the arena league
 
bgbigdog said:
i believe is more likely someone miscalculated our win/loss record, because we clearly had a incredibly superior scoring offense. Minus the context of what actually occurred, of course.

No one anywhere has ever claimed that scoring offense decides games.

We had a better scoring offense than all but 1 of out opponents(ewu). Doesn't mean anything about the actual game we played though
 
Eriul said:
bgbigdog said:
i believe is more likely someone miscalculated our win/loss record, because we clearly had a incredibly superior scoring offense. Minus the context of what actually occurred, of course.

No one anywhere has ever claimed that scoring offense decides games.

We had a better scoring offense than all but 1 of out opponents(ewu). Doesn't mean anything about the actual game we played though

And I don't think anyone suggested that the offense wasn't less than prolific @ times. But @ others it was just this side of pathetic. WEWU had two games with scores higher than 50 & three lower than forty. None lower than 34. Montana has one @ 20 & two in the teens. Had they met the "average, mean, mode, median score for all their games, they would have made the playoffs & perhaps might be talking about a round two game.

And no. Brady didn't play on defense, they have only themselves to blame. I've said before that I've made a handsome living understanding and utilizing relevant statistical analysis. But the first thing I learned was that we couldn't beat ourselves before we took on a competitor or none of the analysis was worth the space it took up. The wheels came off all-around, so we can talk about stats but none of them, besides wins/losses has any relevance to getting UM competitive now because they have to start @ the beginning, again.
 
bgbigdog said:
Eriul said:
bgbigdog said:
i believe is more likely someone miscalculated our win/loss record, because we clearly had a incredibly superior scoring offense. Minus the context of what actually occurred, of course.

No one anywhere has ever claimed that scoring offense decides games.

We had a better scoring offense than all but 1 of out opponents(ewu). Doesn't mean anything about the actual game we played though

And I don't think anyone suggested that the offense wasn't less than prolific @ times. But @ others it was just this side of pathetic. WEWU had two games with scores higher than 50 & three lower than forty. None lower than 34. Montana has one @ 20 & two in the teens. Had they met the "average, mean, mode, median score for all their games, they would have made the playoffs & perhaps might be talking about a round two game.

And no. Brady didn't play on defense, they have only themselves to blame. I've said before that I've made a handsome living understanding and utilizing relevant statistical analysis. But the first thing I learned was that we couldn't beat ourselves before we took on a competitor or none of the analysis was worth the space it took up. The wheels came off all-around, so we can talk about stats but none of them, besides wins/losses has any relevance to getting UM competitive now because they have to start @ the beginning, again.

For someone who claims to analyze statistics you clearly missed the whole reason the topic of the offense came up... specifically scoring offense... someone DID suggest it was "terrible." And 75 and Kem have mimicked that thought
 
Eriul said:
bgbigdog said:
Eriul said:
bgbigdog said:
i believe is more likely someone miscalculated our win/loss record, because we clearly had a incredibly superior scoring offense. Minus the context of what actually occurred, of course.

No one anywhere has ever claimed that scoring offense decides games.

We had a better scoring offense than all but 1 of out opponents(ewu). Doesn't mean anything about the actual game we played though

And I don't think anyone suggested that the offense wasn't less than prolific @ times. But @ others it was just this side of pathetic. WEWU had two games with scores higher than 50 & three lower than forty. None lower than 34. Montana has one @ 20 & two in the teens. Had they met the "average, mean, mode, median score for all their games, they would have made the playoffs & perhaps might be talking about a round two game.

And no. Brady didn't play on defense, they have only themselves to blame. I've said before that I've made a handsome living understanding and utilizing relevant statistical analysis. But the first thing I learned was that we couldn't beat ourselves before we took on a competitor or none of the analysis was worth the space it took up. The wheels came off all-around, so we can talk about stats but none of them, besides wins/losses has any relevance to getting UM competitive now because they have to start @ the beginning, again.

For someone who claims to analyze statistics you clearly missed the whole reason the topic of the offense came up... specifically scoring offense... someone DID suggest it was "terrible." And 75 and Kem have mimicked that thought

Reading, again, is a skill. I made a handsome living understanding and utilizing relevant statistical analysis. The comment I read indicates an opinion regarding scoring in the red zone. Kem pointed out the obvious and you can interpret 75 as you would like, though he's likely correct in wondering about your skill in the language.

Again, the wheels came off and we're starting over, again. Nothing in the statistics is going to make me feel even the slightest bit better about that.
 
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