Fields is done in Bozo

[EverettGriz]

Is there some overlap Ev? Sure, but it's not your exaggerated 95%

I'm not going to dig into it, but it's probably closer to half.

Dig away. Then I encourage you to come back her and admit I'm correct. But you're a cat fan, so you've got no integrity and I know you won't.

Here, I'll even provide you the links, being the caring considerate person I am.

http://www.umt.edu/academics/degrees-and-majors/

http://www.montana.edu/academics/majors/

 

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Is there some overlap Ev? Sure, but it's not your exaggerated 95%

I'm not going to dig into it, but it's probably closer to half.

EG is correct. LTCF, you are not.

 

[ilovethecats]

But you're a cat fan, so you've got no integrity and I know you won't.

I respectfully disagree...

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Won't happen. Director Ron Ash just doesn't have the same ring to it.

But than he could write his new book.... Building Half a Stadium-When Putting Half a Puzzle Together is Good Enough. Written by Ron Ash....Award Winner for his work..Playing .500 Ball!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It'll turn. Just like it did about 6 years ago when UM was kicking msu's ass in FTA count. It's cyclical.

That's what we've been saying about football for years.... Sooooo

Look, there's multiple factors leading to your University going to shit. None of which your administration is capable of handling or overcoming. There are a lots of issues that are also beyond anyone's control.

This turnaround you're hoping for isn't anywhere in the near future.

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I would take a wager on that for any amount you are willing to lose. But, unfortunately you're a cat fan, and therefore I'm 90% certain you wouldn't pay up.

Case of beer says MSU leads UM in enrollment in 5 years

UM is trying to get built a cute new toy for the jocks to play with.

MSU is working on a $350 million campaign to add new buildings both to handle the ANTICIPATED GROWTH in enrollment and research facilities. When the University is strong, the Athletics department can spend whatever the f*** they want. The changes in the department are meant to drive Athletics to excellence. No more f***[*] around. Athletics is the main marketing vehicle and it's not holding up its end. She wants to rebuild the East side and bowl in the north end of the stadium as well as build an indoor practice facility.

THAT is going to get done in the next decade. She's got her foot on your neck and has absolutely no intention of letting you up for air.

How does she have her foot on our neck when were already a decade ahead of her...have you not heard about our improvements were already doing??? Fucking asshat

 

[EverettGriz]

But you're a cat fan, so you've got no integrity and I know you won't.

I respectfully disagree...

I'm just going off empirical evidence, ILTC. I've never made a bet with you, but I have little doubt you'd pay your losses. However, I'm 1-11 in getting debts paid from other cat fans, so I figure that's a large enough sample size to make the general statement I did above.

 

[ilovethecats]

:thumb:

 

[srgrizizen]

I understand that this is football board and a few posts have urged people to stick to football. Understandably, LTCF and a few other MSU posters would rather not talk about sports, but revel in visions of the financial collapse of UM. But that is really sad. I am a Griz fan, but also a citizen and taxpayer of Montana. Why would I want either of the two large state universities to fail? Both make huge contributions and create opportunities for society (us!). To express this level of shadenfreude over enrollment driven financial problems at UM is the mark of a very juvenile and characterless LTCF, who doesn't even understand that an academically successful UM is in his own best interest as a Montanan. Shame on you.

 

[bigsky33]

I can see why there are only about 10 to 15 at most Griz fans that make posts on this board. It is a total sh-t show!

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

I understand that this is football board and a few posts have urged people to stick to football. Understandably, LTCF and a few other MSU posters would rather not talk about sports, but revel in visions of the financial collapse of UM. But that is really sad. I am a Griz fan, but also a citizen and taxpayer of Montana. Why would I want either of the two large state universities to fail? Both make huge contributions and create opportunities for society (us!). To express this level of shadenfreude over enrollment driven financial problems at UM is the mark of a very juvenile and characterless LTCF, who doesn't even understand that an academically successful UM is in his own best interest as a Montanan. Shame on you.

Yeah, shame on me. Mmmmm K

I brought it up because you've got posters trying to make a claim that UM should be the only D1 school in the state.

My point was maybe UM should get its house in order before the juvenile and characterless musings of a few posters even begin to be discussed.

It's laughable.

 

[grizatwork]

I am not sure where this went off the rails, so I am not going to even attempt to try to put it back on. Maybe we should just change the title of the thread.

But I will interject somewhat. There is not doubt that there is an enrollment issue at UM right now. It is likely more of a crisis. Royce is bashed by the fan base, but I understand he is fairly well received by the faculty. That may change as he gives some of them pink slips.

Ironically, I understand it is different at MSU where the general public loves Cruzado, but she is not well liked by faculty. From what I understand their concern is she is high on hype and low on substance. You can't knock the growth in enrollment. I have heard grumblings of her and/or the university over promising and under delivering to prospective students. Students are promised aid/scholarships that don't materialize once they are in town and enrolling in class leaving them to scramble to find the funds. You are already there, and what is another 2 grand of student debt? If true, it can come back to haunt you. I wonder if her supposed 350 million dollar capital building plan is a similar over promise. Appears to be somewhat of a ponzi scheme to me.

Full disclosure. I am sharing second hand information and have no direct information.

In summary, things are probably not as bleak in Missoula as they appear and things are not nearly as rosy in Bozeman as they appear. The 2 schools are connected like conjoined twins, and will likely settle into similar enrollments in the future with in going back and forth. If you attempt to separate the twins, you are likely to kill both of them as they share vital organs.

 

[snap]

I understand that this is football board and a few posts have urged people to stick to football. Understandably, LTCF and a few other MSU posters would rather not talk about sports, but revel in visions of the financial collapse of UM. But that is really sad. I am a Griz fan, but also a citizen and taxpayer of Montana. Why would I want either of the two large state universities to fail? Both make huge contributions and create opportunities for society (us!). To express this level of shadenfreude over enrollment driven financial problems at UM is the mark of a very juvenile and characterless LTCF, who doesn't even understand that an academically successful UM is in his own best interest as a Montanan. Shame on you.

Yeah, shame on me. Mmmmm K

I brought it up because you've got posters trying to make a claim that UM should be the only D1 school in the state.

My point was maybe UM should get its house in order before the juvenile and characterless musings of a few posters even begin to be discussed.

It's laughable.

Oh it's laughable all right. Laughable all the way to the bank you son of a bitch.


I'm not even sure what I mean by that, but I said it forcefully and with conviction.

 

[EverettGriz]

I can see why there are only about 10 to 15 at most Griz fans that make posts on this board. It is a total sh-t show!

Yeah. There are currently about 250 registered posters on the board and 629 guests.

Lilbronation has never, ever, ever had 629 people on it once.

That all said, cat fans certainly understand shit shows. And shit ponds for that matter.

 

[UMGriz75]

IThere is not doubt that there is an enrollment issue at UM right now. It is likely more of a crisis. Royce is bashed by the fan base, but I understand he is fairly well received by the faculty.

No, he is not liked by the faculty at all. The Faculty Senate came very close to a "No Confidence Vote" a few weeks ago, and I am frankly surprised it didn't happen.

It's all about "accountability." If coaches and ADs must be "held accountable," for damaging the delicate egos of fans by losing a key game, then why not University Presidents for damaging the fundamental purpose and mission of their respective institutions?

 

[EverettGriz]

I am not sure where this went off the rails, so I am not going to even attempt to try to put it back on. Maybe we should just change the title of the thread.

But I will interject somewhat. There is not doubt that there is an enrollment issue at UM right now. It is likely more of a crisis. Royce is bashed by the fan base, but I understand he is fairly well received by the faculty. That may change as he gives some of them pink slips.

Ironically, I understand it is different at MSU where the general public loves Cruzado, but she is not well liked by faculty. From what I understand their concern is she is high on hype and low on substance. You can't knock the growth in enrollment. I have heard grumblings of her and/or the university over promising and under delivering to prospective students. Students are promised aid/scholarships that don't materialize once they are in town and enrolling in class leaving them to scramble to find the funds. You are already there, and what is another 2 grand of student debt? If true, it can come back to haunt you. I wonder if her supposed 350 million dollar capital building plan is a similar over promise. Appears to be somewhat of a ponzi scheme to me.

Full disclosure. I am sharing second hand information and have no direct information.

In summary, things are probably not as bleak in Missoula as they appear and things are not nearly as rosy in Bozeman as they appear. The 2 schools are connected like conjoined twins, and will likely settle into similar enrollments in the future with in going back and forth. If you attempt to separate the twins, you are likely to kill both of them as they share vital organs.

Good post. One of the primary reasons Waded isn't liked on campus is the reason cat fans are saying everything's great there: enrollment numbers. Cruzado realized early on in her tenure that UM was kicking their ass in enrollment, and she made it her mission to reverse that. And she has, by spending 5 times what UM does on marketing and admissions expenses. Thing is, that money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from money which used to be allocated to programs.

This creates a double whammy. Yes, there are more kids on campus, but there are even less dollars for the programs to use to educate them. This obviously leads to a poor student experience and in the end will hurt their enrollment numbers.

 

[snap]

I can see why there are only about 10 to 15 at most Griz fans that make posts on this board. It is a total sh-t show!

Yeah. There are currently about 250 registered posters on the board and 629 guests.

Lilbronation has never, ever, ever had 629 people on it once.

That all said, cat fans certainly understand shit shows. And shit ponds for that matter.

33 registered users and 116 guests on BN right now. Most users ever online...385. Even the cat message board is an embarrassment to the state. Good grief.

 

[EverettGriz]

Long term, how's that digging coming along?

 

[UMGriz75]

This creates a double whammy. Yes, there are more kids on campus, but there are even less dollars for the programs to use to educate them. This obviously leads to a poor student experience and in the end will hurt their enrollment numbers.

She has taken a risky approach, the same approach to using academic dollars to subsidize football, and then hiring non-accomplished faculty (and low paid) to replace senior productive (and highly paid) faculty who are retiring or leaving in order to obtain the funds.

Who bears the burden of the risk?

Students.

 

[big kahuna]

Fields, like Ash, needed to go. Fields currently has little credibility in Bozeman, especially with many deep-pocketed supporters and business leaders who believe him a tool. He should have been fired with Kramer.

That said, Cruzado realizes that to raise more cash from alumni and boosters for academic programs, MSU will need to put a better product on the football field. That's an unfortunate truth.

I'm guessing too that she had (rightfully) lost faith in Fields' ability to raise that big money. He won't be missed, really by anyone connected to the program. The timing, however, is indeed suspect. New coach has to be scratching his head.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Long term, how's that digging coming along?

I told you, I'm not digging into anything. You've made multiple irrational posts in this thread and others. There's absolutely no reason to believe that you can comprehend anything logical or reasoned.

Do you really believe half of the bullshit you post? Or is your purpose just to denigrate everything MSU? Honest question.