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General Disarray
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Here's a little Jamar action. #32 in black. He's got a nice shot and can drive to the basket like Cherry. Looks like a clutch game tying 3 at the 3:18 mark, but the ref called his toe was on the line I think.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVknt9Pbbg[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxVknt9Pbbg[/youtube]
General Disarray
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LsrUX2cxqQ[/youtube]
Jamar isn't featured a ton in this video, but it shows some of the competition he has gone up against. Looks like better talent than the Big Sky Conference. He'll tear it up at UM.
Jamar isn't featured a ton in this video, but it shows some of the competition he has gone up against. Looks like better talent than the Big Sky Conference. He'll tear it up at UM.
Tiger41 said:
Here I am being Mr. Negative again... or Mr. Realist. I didn't see a dominant Griz team last night... I seen an inept NAU squad... good grief, the depth of the Big Sky is lacking. Holien kept calling Cherry the "stat page filler" or something akin to that... as a freshman, he reminds me of Rajon Rondo for the Celtics. He does a lot of little things real well... except shoot the ball, unless he's driving to the hoop. Maybe his shooting touch will improve with age, or our three-ball game is going to stink next year.
I read with interest the comments about Tinkle's recruiting powress... but didn't Anthony Johnson come to the UM because of his wife... not Tinkle? I'm just asking??
Kareem Jamar is not signed to play for the Griz... correct??? It seems a player of his caliber will be hunted by the major leagues... oral commitments are a dime-a-dozen. I'd think the chances of him bolting to a bigger stage would be pretty good.
At a recent political event in Bozeman which included Cat-Griz rivalries intermingled from table to table... the Cat-backers were pretty full of themselves... Us Griz-guys and gals just told them... "just remember where you stole your coach, can we have him back?!!!!" the answer... NYET![/quote]
Well, I am not going to argue with you, since you seem to know your own mind...I do agree the BSC is not the top conference around, but it is better than some....I mean, LMU, twice beaten badly, by UM is playing Gonzage for the WCC title...guess that means they are pretty bad....and Gonzage sucks...oh, well....interesting negative take on Kareem being heavily recruited by others...I hope so...because he is most certainly telling the meida here that Montana offers him everything he thins a college should....it might surprise you but UM is highly repected down here....from reading the posts on egriz, you would think it was some backwater no one wants to even visit...yes, AJ could have gone somewhere else...but, alas, he didn't...you could say that about every single recruit in every college.....The Griz looked good, not great, last night...they might even win a couple more if they play like that...and I hope they go to the NIT this year....Next year it will be a much more impressive team....maybe then, you will cheer up and see that a 20 win season is not anything to be ashamed of.
Huse would make a pretty good coach for the LG...GrizWhiz said:AJ's recruiting had everything to do with TInk's. It did help that Coach Selvig offered Shaunte a schollie to join the Lady Griz and this probably helped cement the deal. Why would we want Huse "back"? :? The Griz are 20-9. The cats are done at 15-14. I
Well, I am not going to argue with you, since you seem to know your own mind...I do agree the BSC is not the top conference around, but it is better than some....I mean, LMU, twice beaten badly, by UM is playing Gonzage for the WCC title...guess that means they are pretty bad....and Gonzage sucks...oh, well....interesting negative take on Kareem being heavily recruited by others...I hope so...because he is most certainly telling the meida here that Montana offers him everything he thins a college should....it might surprise you but UM is highly repected down here....from reading the posts on egriz, you would think it was some backwater no one wants to even visit...yes, AJ could have gone somewhere else...but, alas, he didn't...you could say that about every single recruit in every college.....The Griz looked good, not great, last night...they might even win a couple more if they play like that...and I hope they go to the NIT this year....Next year it will be a much more impressive team....maybe then, you will cheer up and see that a 20 win season is not anything to be ashamed of.[/quote]GrizLA said:
Over 100 division 1 teams have won 20 games this season. Not all of them will, and many of them should not make the NCAA tourney. The Griz didn't beat anybody of note. Yes, by way of transitive properties, the Griz beat LMU who beat Gonzaga, who beat Wisconsin, who beat Michigan State, who beat Purdue, etc, but the Griz still lost to Denver and the CATS. My god, Griz fans, the Cats are not a good basketball team. But, for some reason, they swept the Griz.
And, LA Griz, the Zags aren't playing for the WCC title tonight. They are playing in the semi-final round. And, LA Griz, we will be dancing whether or not we win our conference tournament.
oops...thougth Gonzaga was playing a final...don't get much info about them in the mainstream...they are a flash in their own pan.....who cares? Why are you here, anyway...the run of the mill spokane school have no msg board? Kinda sad, you have to come here...but that's ok....
GrizLA said:
I'm a MSU fan. After last week, the gloom and doom postings here on Egriz were laughable. I one of many to admit that the Cats are not a good team. Either are the Griz. In fact, the shocking prominence of mediocrity in this conference blows my mind. No one team has been a consistent winner in this league. The Griz have no excuse not to be more consistent. They have the facilities, but I can imagine that this is a hard place to recruit to. What does Tinkle offer a guy like Manny Arop, who chose Gonzaga over U of M? What can he promise Manny?
And, GrizLA, I don't know what you consider "mainstream media," but I would suggest that ESPN and ESPN2 would be fairly mainstream. Maybe, just maybe, the BSC championship game will be on ESPN. If the Griz are in it, will you finally consider those channels mainstream?
I just want to make sure you keep the 20-win season in perspective. It doesn't separate you from anybody except the worst teams in college basketball. My run of the mill Spokane school does have a message board. You should check it out, GrizLA:
slipperstillfits.com
Until then, I will continue to enjoy your defense of mediocrity.
Uh, why would I even be interested in another school's msg.board? 20 wins is twenty wins. Could care less about what anyone from msu thinks...don't they have their own board, as well? Are things that bad up there? As for ESPN, you might be amazed that lots of people do not get their news from there...in fact, much of relevance in sports is to be found in the print media, still. So, what's your point...when you live in a major population center, there really are more sources....I noticed ESPN failed to note the Gonzaga win over LMU, while the print media made it clear, that LMU came within 6 pts before the parade to the foul line....face it, Gonzaga is just barely better than the top 3 BSC schools.....next year I suspect will be a different storyGrizLA said:
GrizLA said:
The game was televised on ESPN2. Do the Griz know what that is like in basketball?
Your last point is baseless. Please tell me about the "Big 3" BSC schools and what quality victories they have. Are any of them being considered for at large bids in the tournament? 20 wins is average. It isn't a separating factor. As I said, over 100 teams have 20 wins this season. Only 65 will play in the tourney. Even less should be in the tourney. Now, LAGriz, if you can make a convincing argument about why the top 3 in the BSC are barely worse than Gonzaga, I would entertain it if you support it with actual evidence rather than your opinions about print vs. internet media.
I'll be waiting.
ilovethecats
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well, it's all speculation, but it's easy to see why people would consider a team like gonzaga just a little better than the best in the big sky. let's face it, the wcc is a very weak conference too. if it wasn't for the success of gonzaga it would probably be near the bottom as far as rpi goes. as it is right now, they are in the second tier...with the big sky. you have your elites like the big east, sec, acc, big 12, and big ten (even though fans of the big 10 always seem to think they are more "elite" than they really are!). then you have your atlantic 10, wac, mountain west, missouri valley, and even the pac-10 despite being a very down year for them. right now the wcc is sitting at the 13th spot as a conference, and the big sky is just below them in the 17th spot. lets be honest, not one is afraid of a big sky team, and no one is afraid of a wcc team. the difference is that gonzaga turned themselves into a power in that conference, and no team in the sky has ever been able to do that. so yes...gonzaga is better than all of the teams in the sky, some years way more so than others. and i can see where gonzaga fans like to think that they are an elite program. and i'll agree they are certainly very good. but if we're being honest, i don't think their resume qualifies them as an elite team. it's very impressive that they have been to like 4 or so sweet 16's this decade. it's a nice accomplishment, and a great story. but to my knowledge they have never even been to the elite 8, let alone a final four. i think in order to be considered an elite team, you at least have to make it to a final four! not to mention that before last years tourney they got bounced in the first round 2 years in a row. but just winning your very weak conference and a couple games in the tourney does not make you elite. it makes you a good team...and a proud team...and even a respected team...but not an elite team. elite teams would never compare themselves to teams in the big sky conference...
I would love to have a basketball program like Gonzaga's. Even though they are either over-rated or under-perform in the NCAA tournament, they are a consistently better product than the Big Sky has.
They also benefit from having virtually no competition in a town the size of Spokane too.
They also benefit from having virtually no competition in a town the size of Spokane too.
ilovethecats
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1986cat said:
if that is a slight on the teams that play on ESPN2 it's pretty far off. this week you'll be able to watch a ton of games on this network including teams from the ACC, Big 10, SEC, Big East, and Big 12, along with many championships from the smaller conferences.
Prove to me that they are not....LMU was soundly beaten twice by the 4th place team in the Big Sky....yet, the spokane crew lost to them and was on the ropes last night....Weber state, NCU and UM are pretty much in the same class as Gonzaga...don't forget, Gonzaga is in a bad league, maybe even softer than the BSC...but, since bball is all there is, you are forgiven for being condescending....UM fans know who is the real deal in your part of the world...I imagine you feel Gonzaga and St. Mary's should be in the tourney while some in the final 65 should not....you lose credibility with that statement....a 20 win season is something to be proud of...you sound like the Alpha guy here who hates to see Montana do well in football.....what world you people must live in......reality is, 20 wins....and maybe more....that seems to bother you and your definitions of success....
Montana is moving solidly into that parity with Gonzaga. And, the consistency of Gonzaga is only a recent event....Weber State has a solid history in the NCaas....like everywhere else, Bonzaga will have up and down seasons, they don't appear that good this year, and seem to be getting worse as the season ends...that is fine....if the Griz were consitent they too would qualify for a high rating...but, UM lost a few they most certainly cannot explain,...but, we all know they are better than the record shows....and it might not be over yet...Ilike 20 win seasons...grizpack said:
GrizLA said:
We lost to LMU. Yes.
We were on the ropes last night. For about 2 solid minutes of the game.
I am confused at why UM, NCU, and Weber are "pretty much" in the same class as Gonzaga. You didn't offer any support for that contention. You are forgiven for dismissing the WCC because it doesn't have football, but you make one assertion without defending it at all. I'm still waiting for an answer on that one.
A twenty win season is nothing to brag about if you don't beat anybody along the way. Please, tell me some of the teams BSC teams beat long the way to those 20 win seasons. Then, tell me where the "Big 3" stand in RPI and SOS.
And, finally, why do I lose credibility with saying that Gonzaga and St. Mary's should be in the field of 65? They have the RPI, SOS, and quality wins that not one single team from the Big Sky has. I didn't notice any conversation about an at-large bid for the Big Sky, LAGriz. Gonzaga will be in, win or lose tonight. St. Mary's will probably be in, even if they lose. It's not just my credibility you are challenging, it is the collective knowledge of the basketball world.
Still waiting for a cogent argument backed up with actual facts.
Montana is not in the same league as the Zags.
But the reality is that they ARE on par with (if not better) than the remainder of the teams in the WCC.
But the reality is that they ARE on par with (if not better) than the remainder of the teams in the WCC.
It is all opinion...you have yours, and I have mine...get back to us peons here when Gonzaga makes the final four...until then, I am of the opinion that Gonzaga is a flash in their own pan...a favorite in the West because, this year, there really is no one else.. Still don't know why you lurk here on this board....can't imagine anyone here going to the msg board at gonzaga, but then......I find your logic of downplaying a 20 win season as nothing the height of arrogance. Any coach in America would be happy to have that....that is why you have no credibility....1986cat said:
mtgrizrule
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PSST.........by the way, Zags are down to St Marys 50-45 with 9 minutes left
Ouch 73-56, 2:16 left. Thats not going to really your seeding.
