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Ferris State Bulldogs scouting report

BillingsMafia said:
Griz win this one easily. A good FCS team can give the Griz problems, no way Ferris wins in Missoula.

The problem is...they ARE a good FCS team disguised as a D-II. I have seen a lot of D2 football. The good teams, absolutely belong. There are generally a couple of differences. 1 is size and skill of linemen, both O and D. Generally either they have size or skill (meaning they are smaller size and skilled) but not both. Also, general size of skill players. Meaning the stud WR is 5-8 instead of 6-2. Also, depth. The 1's are usually really good and then there is drop off. This team, has ALL of that. It's funny how people are saying because they played ashland close that they aren't that good. That's the exact same logic people said didn't count when comparing the Griz and cats with UT Tech, just twisted slightly differently. I want the Griz to win, but there is absolutely zero chance it's more than 20, unless there is garbage at the end. If I am wrong, I am willing to have Turd leave EGriz for a year. And I will buy popo a beer if we ever meet.
 
Opening line: Griz -14.5

SOMEONE doesn't think too much of the Griz... just 14.5 point favorites. AT HOME. Against a D-2 team.
 
Is it really a "someone" like a Sam Rothstein or a computer program that crunches numbers and spits out possibilities based on that?

Because I would totally believe Sam if he was picking the game. Would everyone be happy with a 14 pt W?
 
AZGrizFan said:
Opening line: Griz -14.5

SOMEONE doesn't think too much of the Griz... just 14.5 point favorites. AT HOME. Against a D-2 team.

Yikes, looks like I was almost a touchdown too generous, according to these oddsmakers. Hopefully we have a lot of answers after this weekend about just exactly where we stand.
 
Yeah, matchups like this give me the heebie-jeebies. It seems to me (based on others' analysis) that Ferris State's roster quality essentially makes them an FCS caliber opponent. Additionally, they are used to winning. A lot. I think that confidence and swagger will go a long way for them, and I don't think they'll be particularly intimidated by Wa-Griz or our team. I think they'll come in believing they're a better team than we are and actually thrive in our gameday environment.

That being said, I think the deciding factor on Saturday will be the passing games. As several of you have mentioned, our pass coverage on deep routes has been bad, and it's certainly an area where we're vulnerable. If Ferris can expose that, we're probably in for a long night. But I am also hopeful that our passing game has been intentionally vanilla so far this season, and that we are way more capable of big plays than we've shown so far. That's what I'm hoping. But I'm not confident, that's for sure.

I'll take the Griz 27-23 in a nail-biter, with a late sack-fumble-recovery by Riley Wilson to secure the win.
 
As a person who covers D2 Football, if you'd like to get a better of what Ferris will looks like, the D2 Championship Game from last year is a pretty fair representation. Here's that game between Colorado Mines at Ferris. FSU brings back the brunt of the team in the video linked, minus star DE Caleb Murphy, who's now in the NFL.
https://youtu.be/ZPuxyfJnsuU?si=eowu7JhZAbrTjMQ2

People who follow D2 are interested to see how the Bulldogs will fare against a ranked FCS squad..in a place that'll be very tough to play. Certainly that's a considerable task for a D2 squad to overcome, this kinda home field advantage.

Since this thread is a scouting report..here are some of the key points from someone who's watched them closely over the last handful of years.

-Decent sized OL - average of 6'4, 310.

-Ferris will run a speed option out of the shotgun with their lefty QB (more of a conventional dual threat guy) or their bigger QB who's a brut that runs like a Josh Allen type. When they get inside the 10 yard line they'll bring in the big QB and try and play bully-ball and see if the opposing front can stop them on QB keepers. The big QB (Gulker) scored 30x last year as a result. If they think they can pound the middle against the Griz 3 man front, they will look to keep doing that and then run speed option off that to the edges..and not feel like they need to pass much. The lefty QB (Mitchell) can be sneaky good, but also puts the ball on the turf and sometimes doesn't put a premium on ball security. Here is when they go rugby push inside the 10 yard line with Gulker, the bigger signal caller. (7 min mark)
https://youtu.be/Y6ZaoBD05Ns?si=ue58poG7unv5Qirv&t=420

-Speed on the edges. In the game video above, they were without their top 2 wideouts..and they are both playing now. Wade and Thompson. They have deep threat speed and Jefferson (slot) will be used to run jet sweeps. Their speed on both sides of the ball is one of their biggest differentiators at the small college level. The elements of the triple option (from shotgun) that you'll see offer the defense a lot of eye candy. They'll run middle, then the ball to the edge, and then hit a shot in the passing game from play action off the triple action. Most DC's will have a lot to prepare for with their option and non-option stuff. I'm guessing Montana will be focused on trying to disrupt things at the point of attack and not allow the car to get out of the garage. A good example of their option look can be found here at the 3:26 mark.
https://youtu.be/Y6ZaoBD05Ns?si=hOy7CXJmG2tRvS-A&t=208

-Their defense has a good front four..decent size as well..left to right..265, 300, 349, 265. They'll play a 4-2-5 and be aggressive. Their secondary has gotten some injuries early-on and does lack size. Safeties are 5'9 and 5'7 for example. Their top defender is DE #8 Olalere Oladipo who is a FBS drop-back from Illinois. Their pass rush will likely be formidable, but they are giving up yards against the pass at the moment. At this point I'd say their offense (which has been sloppy early in the season so far) is a bit ahead of their defense. Their defense was strong a year ago, but has not shown as well this year so far. I think Montana might be able to hit some big plays against them..while I admittedly don't know enough about the Griz this year.

-Ferris fans are likely pretty concerned about the volume of penalties they had this last week..21 infractions for 193 yards. Yikes. This can be a problem for them at times. They play with an edge and a swagger and allow things to get that way occasionally.

-The biggest weapon for Ferris is their head coach Tony Annese. He's thought of as the best offensive mind in D2 = hard to prepare for with their option looks and such. He's just a winner and will take this as his next mountain to climb, since he's already won the D2 natty. While this game will not impact Ferris at all in terms of playoff qualifications, I feel sure the competitor in Coach Annese will really want to win this game..even if they are a 14 point underdog.

Looking forward to seeing how things play out in this interesting matchup on Saturday night.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Question: I will be at an event Saturday night, and won’t be able to watch the game live. Does ESPN+ usually offer the game “on demand” afterwards? Or am I just SOOL?

my experience has been that ESPN+ does offer the game on demand.
 
D2 Witt said:
As a person who covers D2 Football, if you'd like to get a better of what Ferris will looks like, the D2 Championship Game from last year is a pretty fair representation. Here's that game between Colorado Mines at Ferris. FSU brings back the brunt of the team in the video linked, minus star DE Caleb Murphy, who's now in the NFL.
https://youtu.be/ZPuxyfJnsuU?si=eowu7JhZAbrTjMQ2

People who follow D2 are interested to see how the Bulldogs will fare against a ranked FCS squad..in a place that'll be very tough to play. Certainly that's a considerable task for a D2 squad to overcome, this kinda home field advantage.

Since this thread is a scouting report..here are some of the key points from someone who's watched them closely over the last handful of years.

-Decent sized OL - average of 6'4, 310.

-Ferris will run a speed option out of the shotgun with their lefty QB (more of a conventional dual threat guy) or their bigger QB who's a brut that runs like a Josh Allen type. When they get inside the 10 yard line they'll bring in the big QB and try and play bully-ball and see if the opposing front can stop them on QB keepers. The big QB (Gulker) scored 30x last year as a result. If they think they can pound the middle against the Griz 3 man front, they will look to keep doing that and then run speed option off that to the edges..and not feel like they need to pass much. The lefty QB (Mitchell) can be sneaky good, but also puts the ball on the turf and sometimes doesn't put a premium on ball security. Here is when they go rugby push inside the 10 yard line with Gulker, the bigger signal caller. (7 min mark)
https://youtu.be/Y6ZaoBD05Ns?si=ue58poG7unv5Qirv&t=420

-Speed on the edges. In the game video above, they were without their top 2 wideouts..and they are both playing now. Wade and Thompson. They have deep threat speed and Jefferson (slot) will be used to run jet sweeps. Their speed on both sides of the ball is one of their biggest differentiators at the small college level. The elements of the triple option (from shotgun) that you'll see offer the defense a lot of eye candy. They'll run middle, then the ball to the edge, and then hit a shot in the passing game from play action off the triple action. Most DC's will have a lot to prepare for with their option and non-option stuff. I'm guessing Montana will be focused on trying to disrupt things at the point of attack and not allow the car to get out of the garage. A good example of their option look can be found here at the 3:26 mark.
https://youtu.be/Y6ZaoBD05Ns?si=hOy7CXJmG2tRvS-A&t=208

-Their defense has a good front four..decent size as well..left to right..265, 300, 349, 265. They'll play a 4-2-5 and be aggressive. Their secondary has gotten some injuries early-on and does lack size. Safeties are 5'9 and 5'7 for example. Their top defender is DE #8 Olalere Oladipo who is a FBS drop-back from Illinois. Their pass rush will likely be formidable, but they are giving up yards against the pass at the moment. At this point I'd say their offense (which has been sloppy early in the season so far) is a bit ahead of their defense. Their defense was strong a year ago, but has not shown as well this year so far. I think Montana might be able to hit some big plays against them..while I admittedly don't know enough about the Griz this year.

-Ferris fans are likely pretty concerned about the volume of penalties they had this last week..21 infractions for 193 yards. Yikes. This can be a problem for them at times. They play with an edge and a swagger and allow things to get that way occasionally.

-The biggest weapon for Ferris is their head coach Tony Annese. He's thought of as the best offensive mind in D2 = hard to prepare for with their option looks and such. He's just a winner and will take this as his next mountain to climb, since he's already won the D2 natty. While this game will not impact Ferris at all in terms of playoff qualifications, I feel sure the competitor in Coach Annese will really want to win this game..even if they are a 14 point underdog.

Looking forward to seeing how things play out in this interesting matchup on Saturday night.

This was really great. Thank you for taking the time to share this with us, and welcome to EGriz!
 
bgbigdog said:
Is it really a "someone" like a Sam Rothstein or a computer program that crunches numbers and spits out possibilities based on that?

Because I would totally believe Sam if he was picking the game. Would everyone be happy with a 14 pt W?

I'd be happy with a 14 point win! I think we come in overrated - two QB's that have a total of two college football starts, combined. Replacing several key positions on defense. Two new coordinators. Still trying to find our identity. Ferris on the other had is not overrated. They are a very good football team and we will need to play well to beat them.

I hope we win by 30 but I'll take 14 all day. Just win baby! Improve. Do it again.

Go Griz!
 
AZGrizFan said:
Opening line: Griz -14.5

SOMEONE doesn't think too much of the Griz... just 14.5 point favorites. AT HOME. Against a D-2 team.

DO NOT BET THIS GAME.

I consider myself good to very good at this....just walk by this game.
 
SoldierGriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Opening line: Griz -14.5

SOMEONE doesn't think too much of the Griz... just 14.5 point favorites. AT HOME. Against a D-2 team.

DO NOT BET THIS GAME.

I consider myself good to very good at this....just walk by this game.

i keep trying to get one of these fellas that say we’re winning by 40-45 to put some money on it. No takers yet…big talkers though…
 
AZGrizFan said:
SoldierGriz said:
DO NOT BET THIS GAME.

I consider myself good to very good at this....just walk by this game.

i keep trying to get one of these fellas that say we’re winning by 40-45 to put some money on it. No takers yet…big talkers though…

so what do realistically think we are going to win by?
 
SoldierGriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Opening line: Griz -14.5

SOMEONE doesn't think too much of the Griz... just 14.5 point favorites. AT HOME. Against a D-2 team.

DO NOT BET THIS GAME.

I consider myself good to very good at this....just walk by this game.
The Griz were 16 point favorites last year vs Idaho. 17 point favorites the year before vs Sac State.
 
Paytonlives said:
SoldierGriz said:
Did someone tell Nevada?

Nevada would not finish in the top 5 of the bigsky

The Griz are picked 6th, correct?

Ferris State is probably 50/50 with Montana, NAU and EWU. That means anything can happen, a blowout win for either side or a close win for either side. In ten games they each would expected to win 5
 
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