Feds to Begin Investigation

[getgrizzy]

why don't you leave iltc alone and stop being an even bigger ass. iltc is one of the classiest, most sane posters on this board. a lot of people have a problem with tokyo's posts, because they're off the wall. only an idiot can't see that.

If you think iltc is one of the classiets and sane posters on the board, then you aren't paying attention. Why don't you stop being an ass.-

if you don't think so, you're an idiot. but you're probably just being an ass. quit being an ass or people will figure out that you're an idiot.

 

[griz4life]

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm curious how you think these 80 reports to be reviewed were selected, assuming the the MPD and county attorney had little involvement with DOJ before yesterday's announcement? Do you think the list came from third party referrals to the PD, perhaps by a local nonprofit?
Just curious.

 

[getgrizzy]

This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.

note: AT LEAST

 

[PlayerRep]

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You obviously have an axe to grind. Your statements about Muir and Van Valkenberg are incorrect and dafamatory. Also, I don't believe for a second that you know or have talked to the people you say you have. It's pretty clear from how you're saying this that you're exaggerating and probably just making up stuff. Also, your homophobic comments say alot about the type of person you are.

Couple of things, damn right I have an axe to grind, I have been pushing for this or more for a long time. You better believe I was active in the campaign in which got Fred elected (not his obviously) As far as homophobic, I'd be careful there too. there is a difference between the gay community and a prison house fag. Don't count on who or where I am or who I associate with. its a small community. We all have friends and neighbors and who knows who we come across go to church with or what organizations we write checks too.

Of course you are the guy who said the Tile IX investigation was nothing. Who duh thunk the DOJ felt so convicted with the complaint they didn't wait for the Title IX and jumped right in with an even more expanded investigation making you look like a rather pitiful apologist. This is an examination of ATTITUDEs (and the result of them.)

Yup, you really are homophobic. What a loser.

As for Title IX, what I said was in response to some of you saying that there would be criminal charges or big civil penalties. I said that Title IX investigation has only the threat of cutting off federal funds, and that has never been done under Title IX.

 

[bisonboone11]

This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.

So how many rapes have actually been reported? Apparently the DOJ has learned of AT LEAST 80 reported rapes in the past 3 years. Maybe the person (or people) that got the DOJ to investigate showed 80+ reports that were not thoroughly investigated. That doesn't mean there was only 80 reported rapes. Maybe there was also 200 reported rapes that were handled properly. This quote does no more to narrow down the actual number of reported rapes than any other post on here.

 

[br fan]

This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.

So how many rapes have actually been reported? Apparently the DOJ has learned of AT LEAST 80 reported rapes in the past 3 years. Maybe the person (or people) that got the DOJ to investigate showed 80+ reports that were not thoroughly investigated. That doesn't mean there was only 80 reported rapes. Maybe there was also 200 reported rapes that were handled properly. This quote does no more to narrow down the actual number of reported rapes than any other post on here.

I didn't see it in the Missoulian on-line, but the hard copy of today's Missoulian had an article that stated Missoula had 80 total reported cases of rape over the past 3 years, and reported this was fewer than the national average for a city of Missoula's size.

 

[PlayerRep]

This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.

So how many rapes have actually been reported? Apparently the DOJ has learned of AT LEAST 80 reported rapes in the past 3 years. Maybe the person (or people) that got the DOJ to investigate showed 80+ reports that were not thoroughly investigated. That doesn't mean there was only 80 reported rapes. Maybe there was also 200 reported rapes that were handled properly. This quote does no more to narrow down the actual number of reported rapes than any other post on here.

The stat of 80 reported rapes in 3 years comes from government stats. That's why both the DOJ and county attorney used the stat.

 

[bisonboone11]

This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.

So how many rapes have actually been reported? Apparently the DOJ has learned of AT LEAST 80 reported rapes in the past 3 years. Maybe the person (or people) that got the DOJ to investigate showed 80+ reports that were not thoroughly investigated. That doesn't mean there was only 80 reported rapes. Maybe there was also 200 reported rapes that were handled properly. This quote does no more to narrow down the actual number of reported rapes than any other post on here.

I didn't see it in the Missoulian on-line, but the hard copy of today's Missoulian had an article that stated Missoula had 80 total reported cases of rape over the past 3 years, and reported this was fewer than the national average for a city of Missoula's size.

I believe that is below the national average. It just seems interesting that they would say "at least" if they have the actual number.

 

[tnt]

This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.

"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."

Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.

So how many rapes have actually been reported? Apparently the DOJ has learned of AT LEAST 80 reported rapes in the past 3 years. Maybe the person (or people) that got the DOJ to investigate showed 80+ reports that were not thoroughly investigated. That doesn't mean there was only 80 reported rapes. Maybe there was also 200 reported rapes that were handled properly. This quote does no more to narrow down the actual number of reported rapes than any other post on here.

I didn't see it in the Missoulian on-line, but the hard copy of today's Missoulian had an article that stated Missoula had 80 total reported cases of rape over the past 3 years, and reported this was fewer than the national average for a city of Missoula's size.

I believe that is below the national average. It just seems interesting that they would say "at least" if they have the actual number.

That sadly would NOT be below the national average. The national average is 28.7/100,000. Missoula in 2009 had 28 which comes to 43.2/100,000. If the 80 is accurate then we are well above the national norm:

http://www.usa.com/missoula-mt-crime-and-crime-rate.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But to be honest the if 12,000 or so students at the university were added that number per 100,000 would drop but still above the national average.....

All that being said it is important to keep in mind this is NOT about the football team (directly anyway) The Title IX complaint directly against the football team still hasn't been acted upon (yet) despite what the Missoulian says and If I was betting on it prolly won't depending on what the DOJ community investigation turns up. I'm guessing the real bad guys in all of this will be the MPD and County attorneys office whom if they had done their jobs would have kept this a "local issue" certainly NOT National in scope.

 

[bisonboone11]

That sadly would NOT be below the national average. The national average is 28.7/100,000. Missoula in 2009 had 28 which comes to 43.2/100,000. If the 80 is accurate then we are well above the national norm:

http://www.usa.com/missoula-mt-crime-and-crime-rate.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But to be honest the if 12,000 or so students at the university were added that number per 100,000 would drop but still above the national average.....

Is that 28 the number of reported rapes, or the number of confirmed rapes. Just wondering, because if that's the number of confirmed rapes, and the police department is being accused of not thoroughly investigating all of the cases that are brought to them, the actual number could be higher.

 

[grizatwork]

So how many rapes have actually been reported? Apparently the DOJ has learned of AT LEAST 80 reported rapes in the past 3 years. Maybe the person (or people) that got the DOJ to investigate showed 80+ reports that were not thoroughly investigated. That doesn't mean there was only 80 reported rapes. Maybe there was also 200 reported rapes that were handled properly. This quote does no more to narrow down the actual number of reported rapes than any other post on here.

I didn't see it in the Missoulian on-line, but the hard copy of today's Missoulian had an article that stated Missoula had 80 total reported cases of rape over the past 3 years, and reported this was fewer than the national average for a city of Missoula's size.

I believe that is below the national average. It just seems interesting that they would say "at least" if they have the actual number.

That sadly would NOT be below the national average. The national average is 28.7/100,000. Missoula in 2009 had 28 which comes to 43.2/100,000. If the 80 is accurate then we are well above the national norm:

http://www.usa.com/missoula-mt-crime-and-crime-rate.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But to be honest the if 12,000 or so students at the university were added that number per 100,000 would drop but still above the national average.....

Actually 80 is 3 years. So that puts it at 26.6666666/100,000. That actually is below the national average.

 

[bisonboone11]

Actually 80 is 3 years. So that puts it at 26.6666666/100,000. That actually is below the national average.

Missoula's population is only about 70,000 (I think), not 100,000, so it would be about 40/100,000

 

[br fan]

That sadly would NOT be below the national average. The national average is 28.7/100,000. Missoula in 2009 had 28 which comes to 43.2/100,000. If the 80 is accurate then we are well above the national norm:

http://www.usa.com/missoula-mt-crime-and-crime-rate.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But to be honest the if 12,000 or so students at the university were added that number per 100,000 would drop but still above the national average.....

Is that 28 the number of reported rapes, or the number of confirmed rapes. Just wondering, because if the police department is being accused of not thoroughly investigating all of the cases that are brought to them, wouldn't that mean the actual number could be higher.

I didn't pay attention to who the MIssoulian cited for its statistics. The statistics you quoted reflect Missoula with a population of 60,000 in 2009 for the 40.3/100/000 rate, and reflects Missoula with a population of 50,000 in 2008. I read the article this morning and if I remember correctly I believe the Missoulian article was reflecting Missoula with a population of 86,000 to come up with their numbers.

 

[tnt]

Actually 80 is 3 years. So that puts it at 26.6666666/100,000. That actually is below the national average.

Would be IF the population inside the city limits were 1000,000. But its not......

 

[Tokyogriz]

To get an accurate assesment of population vs crime rates you should use the missoula metropolian area which is around 100,000. The reason for this is large chunks of the city aren't officially in the city but the people in effect do live in missoula. I would also point out most people in the missoula metro area work, shop, and conduct a majority of their affairs in the city limits of missoula.

 

[grizatwork]

Would be IF the population inside the city limits were 1000,000. But its not......

Well then it is lucky for the city that the people that live outside the city limits but use all the facilities don't come into town to rape anyone.

 

[PlayerRep]

I believe it was the county attorney who said Missoula's rape stats, which were for rape complaints (not convictions), was at or below the national average for comparably sized cities with universities. I assume university towns have more date rapes because they have more younger people going to college, and skew the stats up a bit.

 

[ilovethecats]

Feel free to pm me if you have issue with me and my family. I would be more than happy to answer any questions you have regarding us leaving after the nuclear meltdown last year in a civil and truthful manner.

People on here are trying to assert missoula or even bozeman are some sort of rape capitols with pd, city attorney's and universities supporting rapists. Provide actual evidence of this and real data. Otherwise all your doing is operating on hearsay and speculation.

no issue at all. glad you were unharmed and i was very happy to be a montanan when i saw people in your community as well as others coming together to help out a fellow montanan. it was great to see.

as for your views on this matter....i just said today i agree with you. it's an epidemic everywhere. not just in missoula.

 

[tnt]

Would be IF the population inside the city limits were 1000,000. But its not......

Well then it is lucky for the city that the people that live outside the city limits but use all the facilities don't come into town to rape anyone.

l don't suppose any other city has a metro are besides misssoula. . .
Again the issue seems to be how those complaints are handled.

 

[Growler1]

gawd wrinkle, you are a piece of work. do you take yourself seriously? i've read absurd things on egriz, but twisting this into a conspiracy in which obama is throwing a small university and town under the bus in order to get women's votes?

Obama would throw his daughter under a bus to get votes, argie. For a really smart dude, you still need to take a history lesson. Please read the shortest book in the world, "Socialistic Societies Which Have Flourished in Historical Times"