ilovethecats
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wbtfg said:
good point. this is likely what caused the confusion between me and grizatwork. thanks.
still too many.
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good point. this is likely what caused the confusion between me and grizatwork. thanks.
still too many.
Tokyogriz said:
Why don't you form a lynch mob and find the numbers yourself. We were having a respectful discussion before you opened your trap.
grizcountry420
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Tokyogriz said:
Tokyogriz, At this point it is pointed towards U of M and more broadly (especially in the NUMEROUS national reports) Our city police department and County attorneys office. (which is where it belongs IMO)
It may or may not be coincidence but since Van Valkenburg and more specifically Mark Muir have had their jobs there has been a remarkable drop in sexual assaults in Missoula. But understand a report to any "agency" be it campus safety or Police department is not necessarily a "crime" unless it is determined to be a crime.
I know Muir, have been around him, and can attest too his attitude. I can also attest to the Female prosecutors (one retired and one passed away) attitude towards Van-valkenburg. As far as the athletic personal only socially but their jokes stories etc etc. certainly would lead one to believe theirs is similar.
Improper investigation (and handling) of the reports is the focus of the investigation IF that was the result of an attitude towards gender. Obviously that attitude exists here, why not elsewhere.
I have no axe with the athletic department (some opinions about coaching style and leadership and overfamiliarity with players - i don't think a players coach can ever get it done)
But I do have a problem with players who would participate in gang bang (consensual or not) and would feel it necessary to have their potential sex partner drunk before proceeding.... It doesn't speak well of confidence or commitment that their actions in that regard would be questionable (or they have to sink that low)
It may or may not be coincidence but since Van Valkenburg and more specifically Mark Muir have had their jobs there has been a remarkable drop in sexual assaults in Missoula. But understand a report to any "agency" be it campus safety or Police department is not necessarily a "crime" unless it is determined to be a crime.
I know Muir, have been around him, and can attest too his attitude. I can also attest to the Female prosecutors (one retired and one passed away) attitude towards Van-valkenburg. As far as the athletic personal only socially but their jokes stories etc etc. certainly would lead one to believe theirs is similar.
Improper investigation (and handling) of the reports is the focus of the investigation IF that was the result of an attitude towards gender. Obviously that attitude exists here, why not elsewhere.
I have no axe with the athletic department (some opinions about coaching style and leadership and overfamiliarity with players - i don't think a players coach can ever get it done)
But I do have a problem with players who would participate in gang bang (consensual or not) and would feel it necessary to have their potential sex partner drunk before proceeding.... It doesn't speak well of confidence or commitment that their actions in that regard would be questionable (or they have to sink that low)
This is from the press release from Perez of DOJ yesterday.
"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."
Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.
http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.
"In the past three years, there have been at least 80 reported rapes in Missoula."
Note: 80 rapes REPORTED.
http://www.justice.gov/crt/opa/pr/speeches/2012/crt-speech-1205011.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some of you guys needs to learn how to read, and how to do alittle research.
ilovethecats
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you didn't have a problem with people making assertions about your situation overseas and opening their wallets.....some on this thread included....
you don't have to agree with everyone here. but you are being an ass to people just to be an ass. for a guy that literally relied on the generousity of perfect strangers....i'm surprised this is the route you have chosen to take.
you don't have to agree with everyone here. but you are being an ass to people just to be an ass. for a guy that literally relied on the generousity of perfect strangers....i'm surprised this is the route you have chosen to take.
tnt said:
You obviously have an axe to grind. Your statements about Muir and Van Valkenberg are incorrect and dafamatory. Also, I don't believe for a second that you know or have talked to the people you say you have. It's pretty clear from how you're saying this that you're exaggerating and probably just making up stuff. Also, your homophobic comments say alot about the type of person you are.
ilovethecats
Well-known member
PlayerRep said:
i'm just asking questions. many of us made a lot of assertions about where our money was being sent a couple years ago and i doubt he had a problem then. but you know me.....i'm just an ass all the time. :roll:
PlayerRep said:
Why would we read and research when you are just going to call us liars and idiots and Tokyo is going to burn us at the stake with his lynch mob.
grizatwork said:
One would think that most of you already now how to read. I didn't realize that reading was a challenge for you. If some of you knew how to read better, you wouldn't have to get called out as much. People are called liars because they are lying, not because they can't read or don't research. I see that you don't comprehend very well either. People that make posts like yours eventually can get called idiots.
ilovethecats
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:shock: 
That's what every dictaorship and oppressive government that has ever been has said.
grizcountry420
Well-known member
PlayerRep said:
Says mister take it in the face...
Tokyogriz
Well-known member
ilovethecats said:
Feel free to pm me if you have issue with me and my family. I would be more than happy to answer any questions you have regarding us leaving after the nuclear meltdown last year in a civil and truthful manner.
People on here are trying to assert missoula or even bozeman are some sort of rape capitols with pd, city attorney's and universities supporting rapists. Provide actual evidence of this and real data. Otherwise all your doing is operating on hearsay and speculation.
This investigation will not have the luxury of using hearsay,rumor and speculative data to assess guilt.
PlayerRep said:
Couple of things, damn right I have an axe to grind, I have been pushing for this or more for a long time. You better believe I was active in the campaign in which got Fred elected (not his obviously) As far as homophobic, I'd be careful there too. there is a difference between the gay community and a prison house fag. Don't count on who or where I am or who I associate with. its a small community. We all have friends and neighbors and who knows who we come across go to church with or what organizations we write checks too.
Of course you are the guy who said the Tile IX investigation was nothing. Who duh thunk the DOJ felt so convicted with the complaint they didn't wait for the Title IX and jumped right in with an even more expanded investigation making you look like a rather pitiful apologist. This is an examination of ATTITUDEs (and the result of them.)
