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FBS move.....

Spanky2 said:
Mike Mansfield was a professor at UM. He and my uncle became lifelong friends and Mike would often take a side trip to Hardin to visit him when in Billings. For some of you football purists, I realize that isn’t football, but nothing is more UM than Mike Mansfield.
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Mike Mansfield was my mom's favorite professor, and she babysat for his daughter, Margaret, for a couple years. Wish I might have met him, but I never did.
 
This move for the jilted four makes sense:

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/07/acc-american-conference-stanford-california-washington-state-oregon-state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference
 
CatGrad-UMGradStu said:
This move for the jilted four makes sense:

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/07/acc-american-conference-stanford-california-washington-state-oregon-state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference
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The thing that makes most sense for Cal and Stanford is to go independent and do what they want. They have the money. Those two schools specifically are in this for more than just sport success so if I were them Independence would look very appealing.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
CatGrad-UMGradStu said:
This move for the jilted four makes sense:

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/07/acc-american-conference-stanford-california-washington-state-oregon-state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Athletic_Conference
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The thing that makes most sense for Cal and Stanford is to go independent and do what they want. They have the money. Those two schools specifically are in this for more than just sport success so if I were them Independence would look very appealing.
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Does Cal have the finances to go independent?
 
'68griz said:
Spanky2 said:
Mike Mansfield was a professor at UM. He and my uncle became lifelong friends and Mike would often take a side trip to Hardin to visit him when in Billings. For some of you football purists, I realize that isn’t football, but nothing is more UM than Mike Mansfield.
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Mike Mansfield was my mom's favorite professor, and she babysat for his daughter, Margaret, for a couple years. Wish I might have met him, but I never did.
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Mansfield was one of my grandpa's professors. I'd read in Mansfield's biography (which is a great read, btw) that he had a tremendous memory. His out of this world ability to recall people was supposedly something he intentionally leveraged as a factor that made him a great politician. I figured it was a lot of hyperbole until it came up in conversation at a family gathering.

Apparently, one afternoon my grandpa was day drinking a bit too much and called up Mansfield's House office to leave a message complaining about receiving an F on a paper back at UM. Too his surprise, Mansfield was for some reason the one who answered the phone. Mansfield let him talk for a few minutes and then apparently said "Damnit, Bob, you deserved the F and here is why....." Proceeding to, in detail, explain to my grandfather just how poorly he had done in his class work.

Every time I hear or read a story about Mansfield, I leave impressed. They just don't make them like him anymore.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
The thing that makes most sense for Cal and Stanford is to go independent and do what they want. They have the money. Those two schools specifically are in this for more than just sport success so if I were them Independence would look very appealing.
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Does call have the finances to go independent?
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I guess I’m just assuming but I would assume so.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
Does call have the finances to go independent?
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I guess I’m just assuming but I would assume so.
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Cal is state school, which includes limitations. So is UCLA. Cal has many loyal alums and probably many big donors. The question is whether Cal has a big enough brand and following to create a tv contract-network for good revenue. See Notre Dame. Stanford probably has better chance than Cal. Stanford has a ton of rich alums, but not sure how many are into sports. Stanford has all the great Olympic sports. Cal has some too, I believe. I wonder if Stanford and Cal could do a joint independent network, for multiple sports.
 
“ Until then, it is expected that Swarbrick and Bevacqua will work together to sign a new TV contract that will be competitive with the reported $75 million annual payout Big Ten schools are expected to receive by 2025, when Notre Dame’s next contract would begin. Notre Dame currently receives around $26 million annually from a combination of its TV revenue from NBC and its ACC agreement.

“Sources say the school should expect around $60 million per year from a new contract,” sports media reporter John Ourand said last year in the Sports Business Journal. “Though it’s hard to predict how the media business will look three years from now.”

Sources have recently indicated to Irish Breakdown that the $60 million figure is a realistic number to expect from the new deal. But will the one-of-a-kind contract remain with NBC, where it has been for more than three decades, or will it land on another network?”
 
oldrunner said:
There has been talk, behind the scenes, about what may happen with D1 football when the P4 group separates from the NCAA. That process seems to have picked up speed in that last few weeks. The talk has centered around how to consolidate what is now FBS with what is now FCS. My guess is that it will be some sort of negotiated compromise and that we will all be in the new D1 for NCAA football and that there will be a D1 playoff championship established. What will happen with Bowl games, I am not really sure. However, Bowl games have been watered down so much in the last 30 years that they don't really have much purpose, other than advertising and money. I suppose they could remain as a secondary sort of thing, in which case they would likely die out or be greatly diminished.

I'm not sure what might happen with P4's other sports, but see no reason that they wouldn't stay NCAA D1.

Things are starting to happen faster than I thought they would. :thumb:
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They wouldn’t have made FBS harder to get into if they were leaving.

They know they can abuse football and almost completely not be touched for it. However, those schools need easy OOC games to keep up appearances. And they cannot replicate March Madness with just the good football schools… they know the wider community bet errrrrrrrr follows that bracket intensely. That requires the little guy v big guy with occasional upsets narrative. Plus they can siphon off more money getting as big as they’ll probably get. So, nah, no new organization.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Does Cal have the finances to go independent?
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Cal has the biggest debt in college sports. The vast majority of it was the $300 million stadium renovation, and they basically have zilch to show for that.

Mind you, the school assumed some of that debt. And they may favor the overtures to the ACC and American. But there’s no easy decisions for them.
 
Any idea which "Four or five" schools would refuse to be associated with the western Ivy Plus schools?

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/10/four-to-five-acc-programs-against-stanford-cal-smu-expansion-plan-per-report
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Yukon said:
https://twitter.com/SamHerderFCS/status/1689717037361188864?s=20
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And yet UM athletics is no where close to having the ability to fund a transition to FBS.
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True, on the surface. You haven’t considered private transition funding?
 
Spanky2 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
And yet UM athletics is no where close to having the ability to fund a transition to FBS.
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True, on the surface. You haven’t considered private transition funding?
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You really think they have untapped private funding sources that can account for the amount required?
 
Spanky2 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
You really think they have untapped private funding sources that can account for the amount required?
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Yes
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So you believe there is over $10 million dollars in untapped private money available? And then there are sources they can tap annually to maintain?
 
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