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[Walkon79]

I thought it helped "force" ths CATS program upward as well. Because after having been to the top nationally in the 50s & 60s & 70s & 80s, the CATS were nothing in the 90s, only had BSC championships in the 2000s, and now with the sustained dominance of the GRIZ, they have been forced back to near the top nationally again.

The GRIZ have forced all to higher levels! :clap:

The Griz dominance, especially in the 90's absolutely forced the Cats to look at overall program direction and support. So in hindsight, thanks guys for your part in making my team relevant again. I'm enjoying the ride just like it was 1979 all over again.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

"Relevant." That's a good one.

 

[mtgriz]

I would much rather have 18000 fans in the stadium who really support the program then 24000 of which 6000 are there because it is the place to be on Saturday

We made a helluva lot of noise back in the day - when the stadium could only hold 18,000. So I'm with you there.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, you do have a problem with exactly that. I think you made a great post which was well thought out. I just don't see how you are not a fan if you ask why Montana's DB's are playing 7-10 yards off the ball when it is 3rd and 5. I don't see why you are not a fan if you wonder when Dennard is playing outside shade on Kaufmann and gets no safety help on the TD pass what happened (this is happening every game). You are still a fan. I agree, the personal attacks are not warranted, ever. These kids put way too much time and effort to wear the Maroon and Silver. Bobby Hauck always said winning is hard and Montana fans are finding out how right he was but being critical does not mean you don't support the school, kids or coaches.

Just curious. Do you know where db's are supposed to line up in basic man coverage or zone coverage? Do you know the differences between where corners and safeties are supposed to line up in the various coverages? Do you think db's are supposed to line up closer or in a different spot, depending on the down and distance, as opposed to the coverage that is called? Do you think db's make mistakes very often, in terms of lining up out of position?

 

[griz71]

I avoided egriz this weekend because I figured it would slip into just what it did for the most part, a big steaming pile of crap. I am so sick of some of the so called fans of this program and very sorry for the current players because they do deserve a lot better from us. Many of you are so demanding of perfection from the players and coaches both on and off the field, yet you fail to see your own inability to support your team, your University, in an appropriate manner.

I have no problem with understanding the purpose of this forum and giving voice to discussion and the privilege of being critical of the performance of the Griz. However, I want all the bandwagon fans and those who wish to make personal attacks to the players to quit watching. I would much rather have 18000 fans in the stadium who really support the program then 24000 of which 6000 are there because it is the place to be on Saturday and because you somehow enrich your life by being critical of a 19 to 22 year old kid out their busting his butt.

WE ARE MONTANA! To some of you, those three words are great to chant when things are going well. However, how you are really judged is how you react to things when they aren’t going well. I’m not happy with two conference losses, but I love this team. This program took a double tap to the nut sack and despite it all and the lack of support from a vocal minority; they are playing their asses off. No program can sustain being the top team every year with out some drop off at some point. I want you to name another program that has been able to match the long term success of the Grizzly program over the years with multiple changes in coaches. To even expect such success is unbelievable. We need to support this team now more then ever.

Take a look around. I hate losing, but I love what has happened to the Big Sky. Other programs may not acknowledge it, but the success of the Griz program forced them to step up. I love having the Griz win, but I am more satisfied by winning the Big Sky Championship knowing that the level of play across the board is much higher then it once was and that we will compete well in the playoffs. I played for the Griz in the late 80’s when we played EWU in Spokane because they coudn't play on campus. Look at what EWU now. As critical as some of you are, their facilities are vastly improved and they are getting much more fan support. Also, look at the Cats and what they have going on. Now, as a Griz fan I don’t attempt to take credit for what either of the schools has been able to do, but I do believe it forced them and the whole conference to make the steps needed to raise the level of their programs.

WE ARE MONTANA! I was able to live a dream for me and I did donate my blood, sweat and tears to the program. But, it doesn’t take that to be a true fan. Also, I’m not saying true fans aren’t critical, but this is a program not a team. We have 11 seniors this year. We start a redshirt freshman QB with a new OC and DC. We lost our head coach in the middle of spring ball and have experienced a high level of off the field issues. How do you think some other teams would have reacted to everything that happened?

So, as the somewhat silent majority, I say to some of you in the very verbal minority to kindly move on and lend your “support” to another team. These University of Montana Grizzlies don’t need or want you. To those of us that take WE ARE MONTANA to heart, are much better without you.

Go Griz!

Like so many others have said---spot on, nailed, to the point, right there Born. These kids deserve and need our support---like you suggested, how many other schools would have their players, coaches, and staff putting their noses to the grinestone as diligently as these folks have under such tumultuous circumstances/conditions? As a Griz, I for one am damn proud of all of them!

 

[PhilPonder]

Fans bad mouthing and going off on coaches and players happens on our board too when things aren't going well and I always hate to see it. The players are student athletes after all-- they are kids, so lightening up a little is usually in order. My brother-in-law was an ASU coach and I have seen firsthand how hard these coaches work and (at the FCS level) for not enough pay.

I think message board posters should be required to post under their real names. State your opinion and sign your name to it. The only reason to post under a cute message board moniker is it allows you to sling shit you otherwise wouldn't sling. I have taught my 12-year-old twins it's a good policy to never say anything electronically you wouldn't say directly to someone's face. In other words, be sure it passes the billboard test.

 

[kurtismichael]

Fans bad mouthing and going off on coaches and players happens on our board too when things aren't going well and I always hate to see it. The players are student athletes after all-- they are kids, so lightening up a little is usually in order. My brother-in-law was an ASU coach and I have seen firsthand how hard these coaches work and (at the FCS level) for not enough pay.

I think message board posters should be required to post under their real names. State your opinion and sign your name to it. The only reason to post under a cute message board moniker is it allows you to sling shit you otherwise wouldn't sling. I have taught my 12-year-old twins it's a good policy to never say anything electronically you wouldn't say directly to someone's face. In other words, be sure it passes the billboard test.

Good idea!

 

[PlayerRep]

Fans bad mouthing and going off on coaches and players happens on our board too when things aren't going well and I always hate to see it. The players are student athletes after all-- they are kids, so lightening up a little is usually in order. My brother-in-law was an ASU coach and I have seen firsthand how hard these coaches work and (at the FCS level) for not enough pay.

I think message board posters should be required to post under their real names. State your opinion and sign your name to it. The only reason to post under a cute message board moniker is it allows you to sling shit you otherwise wouldn't sling. I have taught my 12-year-old twins it's a good policy to never say anything electronically you wouldn't say directly to someone's face. In other words, be sure it passes the billboard test.

My wife made the same comment last night (your second para). You probably didn't see this comment a couple months ago by another poster, but he said that anonymous posting on the internet causes some people to think they have balls they don't have. I liked that one. So true.

 

[PlayerRep]

fans come in all sizes, ages, genders, incomes, nationalities, and mentalities, just a fact of life! :shock:

So do women, but it doesn't mean they are all good-looking, or good.

 

[griznation23]

Pathetically... I am one of those pile of crap posters and regretfully wished that I did the same.

 

[putter]

Actually, you do have a problem with exactly that. I think you made a great post which was well thought out. I just don't see how you are not a fan if you ask why Montana's DB's are playing 7-10 yards off the ball when it is 3rd and 5. I don't see why you are not a fan if you wonder when Dennard is playing outside shade on Kaufmann and gets no safety help on the TD pass what happened (this is happening every game). You are still a fan. I agree, the personal attacks are not warranted, ever. These kids put way too much time and effort to wear the Maroon and Silver. Bobby Hauck always said winning is hard and Montana fans are finding out how right he was but being critical does not mean you don't support the school, kids or coaches.

Just curious. Do you know where db's are supposed to line up in basic man coverage or zone coverage? Do you know the differences between where corners and safeties are supposed to line up in the various coverages? Do you think db's are supposed to line up closer or in a different spot, depending on the down and distance, as opposed to the coverage that is called? Do you think db's make mistakes very often, in terms of lining up out of position?

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PR, depends upon what is called. Not that I owe you any explanation, however, with Montana's inexperience they are playing soft to keep everything in front of them. Playing cover 2 allows the safeties to cover the middle of the field and have Tully and Hermanson assist in run support where, IMO, they are best. One could go on and on regarding zone, man, cover 2, cover 4 and who should be where. No I don't think the kids are lining up out of position, however, that does not mean they are not getting out of position. I don't know if having Tru last year created some bad habits and people know that he could shut down one side of the field, thus allowing them to play more aggressive and possibly "cheating" a little more than they should. My coaches always preached "technique sound" and I imagine the Griz coaches are no different. Mistakes happen every play but with a young team one has to be sound to make up for inexperience. That is all I am saying.

 

[Hammer]

I think message board posters should be required to post under their real names. State your opinion and sign your name to it. The only reason to post under a cute message board moniker is it allows you to sling shit you otherwise wouldn't sling. I have taught my 12-year-old twins it's a good policy to never say anything electronically you wouldn't say directly to someone's face. In other words, be sure it passes the billboard test.

I'm all for it. get rid of screen names for real names, a face photo, address and phone number. It would weed out 90% of the trolls.

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't disagree with anything you just said. However, I don't think you have a basis for criticizing for d-backs playing 7-10 yards deep, supposedly, on 3rd and 5. Unless a special man/lock-on or special zone/rotation defense is called, a corner would rarely play closer than 7 yards and a safety at 9/10 yards.

 

[putter]

I don't disagree with anything you just said. However, I don't think you have a basis for criticizing for d-backs playing 7-10 yards deep, supposedly, on 3rd and 5. Unless a special man/lock-on or special zone/rotation defense is called, a corner would rarely play closer than 7 yards and a safety at 9/10 yards.

I agree with you. I think Gregorak is protecting his DB's with soft coverage. My only frustration with our safety play is you have to be able to use press coverage once in a while (granted not easy at all) to jam those receivers off the line and let our front 7 get some pressure (and have confidence that people will be where they should). I mentioned 3rd and 5 because I watched the game again and that specific down and distance was there and it resulted in a first down pass in front of the DB's. Not saying it's the DB's fault at all, just that you are giving a good passing team an easy shot at a first down by doing so.

 

[Dillon]

I would much rather have 18000 fans in the stadium who really support the program then 24000 of which 6000 are there because it is the place to be on Saturday

We made a helluva lot of noise back in the day - when the stadium could only hold 18,000. So I'm with you there.

So how many fans were in Wa Griz in the 3rd quarter for the NAU homecoming? 5,000 maybe! We definately showed them home field advantage in that one! Pathetic!

 

[Bill Thompson]

Thank you Born2B for saying so well what I have been feeling. I am certainly no expert at the game, but I love it as played at this level. There is so much more to appreciate in all this than just the W/L column. To watch this team develop, and these coaches learn, is a treat and a privilege. Thanks again!
GO GRIZ!

 

[Bill Thompson]

I think message board posters should be required to post under their real names. State your opinion and sign your name to it. The only reason to post under a cute message board moniker is it allows you to sling shit you otherwise wouldn't sling. I have taught my 12-year-old twins it's a good policy to never say anything electronically you wouldn't say directly to someone's face. In other words, be sure it passes the billboard test.

Exactly!