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Fan Support and Attendance

'68griz said:
I would like to think the students would come if given free or cheap tickets and seats on the side, but I truly don't think it would happen. I've worked with students, as a specific group adviser, off and on for the past 20 years and have found them (as a whole) to have relatively little interest in the football games and virtually no interest in either the men's or women's basketball games. When I asked them about their lack of interest in these sports, their response was basically just a shrug of the shoulders and a "there are more interesting things to do" response. Sadly, I think the world has simply changed and, unless you are at a BIG basketball school (UNC, KU, UK, Duke and a few others), the chances of the students caring is slight.

Do students really pay for their tickets now? When I attended UM ('07-'12), our tickets were free. We just swiped our Griz cards and got in.
 
get'em_griz said:
'68griz said:
I would like to think the students would come if given free or cheap tickets and seats on the side, but I truly don't think it would happen. I've worked with students, as a specific group adviser, off and on for the past 20 years and have found them (as a whole) to have relatively little interest in the football games and virtually no interest in either the men's or women's basketball games. When I asked them about their lack of interest in these sports, their response was basically just a shrug of the shoulders and a "there are more interesting things to do" response. Sadly, I think the world has simply changed and, unless you are at a BIG basketball school (UNC, KU, UK, Duke and a few others), the chances of the students caring is slight.

Do students really pay for their tickets now? When I attended UM ('07-'12), our tickets were free. We just swiped our Griz cards and got in.
That's still what we do. The only sport any different is football where we have to claim the ticket earlier in the week (still free) to have it loaded to our Griz card. Of course guest passes or student season tickets have a charge, but nothing has changed.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Adams Center before the renovation had a capacity of 9,300. I recall "sold-out" games.
:thumb: :thumb:

Many times in my youth. Many times. Of course, in my youth football SUCKED....and there was Michael Ray... :thumb: :thumb:
 
Buttegrizzle said:
EG has a good point though. Who gives a shit if we beat one of our sub 300 rpi conference foes? It prepares
The Griz for nothing. There are only a handful of teams that "bring it". I like the preseason home games, just for novelty, and Weber (not coming), EWU and the Cats (because it's funny that they suck). But really. Wouldnt it mean more if there was some competency in our league?

Did you happen to check out the quality of our home football schedule in 2014?

Central Washington
South Dakota
Northern Colorado
UC Davis
Sacramento State
Montana State
San Diego

Didn't stop the Griz from filling the stadium each week...
 
AZGrizFan said:
Buttegrizzle said:
EG has a good point though. Who gives a shit if we beat one of our sub 300 rpi conference foes? It prepares
The Griz for nothing. There are only a handful of teams that "bring it". I like the preseason home games, just for novelty, and Weber (not coming), EWU and the Cats (because it's funny that they suck). But really. Wouldnt it mean more if there was some competency in our league?

Did you happen to check out the quality of our home football schedule in 2014?

Central Washington
South Dakota
Northern Colorado
UC Davis
Sacramento State
Montana State
San Diego

Didn't stop the Griz from filling the stadium each week...

Griz didn't fill the stadium. Griz fans did. Didn't WGS open in late 1987? Ironically, the biggest dip in BB attendance was 1987.....and somewhat permanent from that year forward. Maybe WGS itself is a bigger reason for the change in BB attendance since it opened than we think.
 
Mousegriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Buttegrizzle said:
EG has a good point though. Who gives a shit if we beat one of our sub 300 rpi conference foes? It prepares
The Griz for nothing. There are only a handful of teams that "bring it". I like the preseason home games, just for novelty, and Weber (not coming), EWU and the Cats (because it's funny that they suck). But really. Wouldnt it mean more if there was some competency in our league?

Did you happen to check out the quality of our home football schedule in 2014?

Central Washington
South Dakota
Northern Colorado
UC Davis
Sacramento State
Montana State
San Diego

Didn't stop the Griz from filling the stadium each week...

Griz didn't fill the stadium. Griz fans did. Didn't WGS open in late 1987? Ironically, the biggest dip in BB attendance was 1987.....and somewhat permanent from that year forward. Maybe WGS itself is a bigger reason for the change in BB attendance since it opened than we think.

The rise in Griz football and WaGriz may have affected the disposable income for many as a Griz family commits resources to the fall sport instead and maybe could not do both. But it's apples and oranges. There are only about six opportunities to see a home FB game. The game lasts around 3 hours but It's a party that lasts all day or even two days for lots of us. A ticket is 35-50 bucks. Steal.
Basketball is late in the evening, on a Thursday, in the winter, lasts maybe 2 hours with no real pre game party or post game gathering. It's $20 (or is it $25 now?). I love Griz hoops but they have 15 or so home games and I'm not driving over for all of em. Now for this year and the next severaI I have kids playing thurs-sat highschool hoops to so I can't get over except for pre-season and late season. But even before they got that age we picked and chose the better games and made 4-5 a year and of course the conference tourney.

Now why the town of Missoula doesn't represent better I have no idea. Bunch of slackers I say. And the students? Who knows.
Maybe they are just like these lazy ass Ivy Leaguers:

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7308
 
Buttegrizzle said:
Mousegriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Buttegrizzle said:
EG has a good point though. Who gives a shit if we beat one of our sub 300 rpi conference foes? It prepares
The Griz for nothing. There are only a handful of teams that "bring it". I like the preseason home games, just for novelty, and Weber (not coming), EWU and the Cats (because it's funny that they suck). But really. Wouldnt it mean more if there was some competency in our league?

Did you happen to check out the quality of our home football schedule in 2014?

Central Washington
South Dakota
Northern Colorado
UC Davis
Sacramento State
Montana State
San Diego

Didn't stop the Griz from filling the stadium each week...

Griz didn't fill the stadium. Griz fans did. Didn't WGS open in late 1987? Ironically, the biggest dip in BB attendance was 1987.....and somewhat permanent from that year forward. Maybe WGS itself is a bigger reason for the change in BB attendance since it opened than we think.

The rise in Griz football and WaGriz may have affected the disposable income for many as a Griz family commits resources to the fall sport instead and maybe could not do both. But it's apples and oranges. There are only about six opportunities to see a home FB game. The game lasts around 3 hours but It's a party that lasts all day or even two days for lots of us. A ticket is 35-50 bucks. Steal.
Basketball is late in the evening, on a Thursday, in the winter, lasts maybe 2 hours with no real pre game party or post game gathering. It's $20 (or is it $25 now?). I love Griz hoops but they have 15 or so home games and I'm not driving over for all of em. Now for this year and the next severaI I have kids playing thurs-sat highschool hoops to so I can't get over except for pre-season and late season. But even before they got that age we picked and chose the better games and made 4-5 a year and of course the conference tourney.

Now why the town of Missoula doesn't represent better I have no idea. Bunch of slackers I say. And the students? Who knows.
Maybe they are just like these lazy ass Ivy Leaguers:

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7308

Well, shit. If Buttegrizzle can't make it, the attendance is fucked. :lol: :lol:
 
Mousegriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Buttegrizzle said:
EG has a good point though. Who gives a shit if we beat one of our sub 300 rpi conference foes? It prepares
The Griz for nothing. There are only a handful of teams that "bring it". I like the preseason home games, just for novelty, and Weber (not coming), EWU and the Cats (because it's funny that they suck). But really. Wouldnt it mean more if there was some competency in our league?

Did you happen to check out the quality of our home football schedule in 2014?

Central Washington
South Dakota
Northern Colorado
UC Davis
Sacramento State
Montana State
San Diego

Didn't stop the Griz from filling the stadium each week...

Griz didn't fill the stadium. Griz fans did. Didn't WGS open in late 1987? Ironically, the biggest dip in BB attendance was 1987.....and somewhat permanent from that year forward. Maybe WGS itself is a bigger reason for the change in BB attendance since it opened than we think.

This is soooo strange to me. I was there during this time, and the same students at the football games attended the basketball games. Darren Engellant, Shannon Cate....point guard for the ladies was from Kalispell. More Montana kids on the roster? Honestly, I don't know why the students don't go to basketball games. I always had a blast at them.
 
SoldierGriz said:
Mousegriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Buttegrizzle said:
EG has a good point though. Who gives a shit if we beat one of our sub 300 rpi conference foes? It prepares
The Griz for nothing. There are only a handful of teams that "bring it". I like the preseason home games, just for novelty, and Weber (not coming), EWU and the Cats (because it's funny that they suck). But really. Wouldnt it mean more if there was some competency in our league?

Did you happen to check out the quality of our home football schedule in 2014?

Central Washington
South Dakota
Northern Colorado
UC Davis
Sacramento State
Montana State
San Diego

Didn't stop the Griz from filling the stadium each week...

Griz didn't fill the stadium. Griz fans did. Didn't WGS open in late 1987? Ironically, the biggest dip in BB attendance was 1987.....and somewhat permanent from that year forward. Maybe WGS itself is a bigger reason for the change in BB attendance since it opened than we think.

This is soooo strange to me. I was there during this time, and the same students at the football games attended the basketball games. Darren Engellant, Shannon Cate....point guard for the ladies was from Kalispell. More Montana kids on the roster? Honestly, I don't know why the students don't go to basketball games. I always had a blast at them.

WGS opened in late 1986. First Griz/cat game there was 1986. I was in school from 1987 to 1993. Student support was just starting to grow for football. I could go a little early and was always in the front row. For basketball, if you were not in line 2 hours early, you were relegated to general admission on the upper level behind the baskets. We had the WAR (women's attendance record) game against MSU and there were over 9000 there for a womens basketball game. It never recovered after the remodel and the students are even more scattered. I still think you do another small remodel and make floor to ceiling behind one of the baskets all students. I don't know if its possible, but it is worth looking at. I don't care where the students sit, you just need to give them enough room to all be together and I think it will build on itself.
 
I have been to one game this year (Boise St.) & to be honest haven't even really considered going to any others. Maybe I'm a bad fan according to some but I just can't get excited about about paying $25 for tickets for the wife & I. Then if it's a Thursday game $30 for dinner before the game because we work late enough that we don't have time to go home & fix dinner before hand, to see the Griz play a frontier team or Southern Utah/NAU/Sac St., etc.

For me the fact that regular conference season is now virtually meaningless takes a lot of the fun out of the games. I remember going to most every home conference game last year & the 2 years with Tinks that the Griz hosted because I knew that every conference game was life or death. Now it doesn't really matter if the Griz finish 1st, 3rd, 7th or 10th they just have to get hot in Reno & they will go to the big dance.

Also I am a huge college basketball fan in general. There isn't much drawing me to watch the Griz play 4-22 Southern Utah when I can stay home & choose between the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 12, Big East, A-10, Mtn West, WCC, SEC & the American conference. Back in the 70s, 80s & even early 90's when basketball was king there weren't 30 different sports channels & the internet in which to watch any team your heart desired.
 
Unwrittengriz said:
I have been to one game this year (Boise St.) & to be honest haven't even really considered going to any others. Maybe I'm a bad fan according to some but I just can't get excited about about paying $25 for tickets for the wife & I. Then if it's a Thursday game $30 for dinner before the game because we work late enough that we don't have time to go home & fix dinner before hand, to see the Griz play a frontier team or Southern Utah/NAU/Sac St., etc.

For me the fact that regular conference season is now virtually meaningless takes a lot of the fun out of the games. I remember going to most every home conference game last year & the 2 years with Tinks that the Griz hosted because I knew that every conference game was life or death. Now it doesn't really matter if the Griz finish 1st, 3rd, 7th or 10th they just have to get hot in Reno & they will go to the big dance.

Also I am a huge college basketball fan in general. There isn't much drawing me to watch the Griz play 4-22 Southern Utah when I can stay home & choose between the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac 12, Big East, A-10, Mtn West, WCC, SEC & the American conference. Back in the 70s, 80s & even early 90's when basketball was king there weren't 30 different sports channels & the internet in which to watch any team your heart desired.


WELL SAID :thumb:

Also as AZ pointed out:
"Well, shit. If Buttegrizzle can't make it, the attendance is f***[*]. :lol: :lol:" (attendance might go up but NOBODY will be heckling like me!
 
Maybe Travis should worry more about beating Weber State than bitch about the number of fans in the house. Perhaps if he showed a smile or two every now and then in front of the camera, more folks would want to see his kids in action. Sadly, with every multi-million dollar bond issue and mil levy that passes, entertainment budgets will take a hit. Griz football is and will continue to be the best game in town, and other Griz sports will never compete. If it is "either or", football wins by a landslide no matter how much Travis bitches about attendance.
 
westsider said:
Maybe Travis should worry more about beating Weber State than bitch about the number of fans in the house. Perhaps if he showed a smile or two every now and then in front of the camera, more folks would want to see his kids in action. Sadly, with every multi-million dollar bond issue and mil levy that passes, entertainment budgets will take a hit. Griz football is and will continue to be the best game in town, and other Griz sports will never compete. If it is "either or", football wins by a landslide no matter how much Travis bitches about attendance.


There is much, much fail in this post.
 
EverettGriz said:
westsider said:
Maybe Travis should worry more about beating Weber State than bitch about the number of fans in the house. Perhaps if he showed a smile or two every now and then in front of the camera, more folks would want to see his kids in action. Sadly, with every multi-million dollar bond issue and mil levy that passes, entertainment budgets will take a hit. Griz football is and will continue to be the best game in town, and other Griz sports will never compete. If it is "either or", football wins by a landslide no matter how much Travis bitches about attendance.


There is much, much fail in this post.

Griz BB, college basketball generally, relies on local support. People won't drive 5-10+ hours, one way, to see a game. Disposeable income IS a factor. Talk about" much, much fail(ure)."
 
GoldenEagle said:
spokompton griz said:
I was at the game Saturday night and sure there were 6,500 fans but everyone was sitting on their thumbs. No noise from the student section at all. When a Griz made a sweet play or a 3 not more then 4 people in our HUGE section would even consider standing up. A little disappointed there wasn't one MONTANA GRIZZLIES chant. That could've helped. Just a lame lame atmosphere. Granted it didn't help there were 50+ fouls

Over the years I have noticed the griz fan base is getting quite old. Where are the younger, non-student fans? I don't think the current elderly types can stand anymore. The risk of hip injuries outweighs the spirit. Really, most of the fans are at least as old as EverettGriz.

The same in Bozeman. My wife and I are in our early 50's and we brought the average age of season ticket holders down a bit when we moved to Bozeman :)
 
I wish people would take the time to get know someone before bashing them. I challenge anyone and everyone to swing by the basketball offices, or wait after a game to meet Travis. Hell, simply watch how he and his players interact with fans and the kids? I think that would go along way toward dismissing the inaccurate preconceptions of Travis and/or his players.

Travis is very competitive and focused during games, as were Wayne and Larry, Neither of them cracked smiles very often during games. Hell, Larry was, and still is outright intimidating with many of his looks. My point being, look deeper into anyone (not only our coaches) before judging, then spreading negativity toward anyone. If programs and/or coaches judged any fan base by gestures, expressions, etc during a game, chances are very likely the opinion would not be favorable either. Have you heard the tone and some of the awful things that are yelled by GRIZ fans during GRIZ football and basketball fans? I guarantee most fans are not smiling when they speak up during a game.

Just think about things before flying off and spouting off inaccurate statements. Those kind of statements make the one stating them look not so good as well. Does a not so positive statement or action of any fan give an accurate idea of who that fan is and what he or she is about? Chances are likely, that person is a better person than his or her actions would lead on. Same applies to coaches and players as well.
 
EverettGriz said:
I don't know of anyone who has disputed either of those points, s&w.

What did 'westsider' "fail" at, pointing out attendance is less than half of capacity for all but two games? Just a fact. Must be a TD thing, then.
 
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