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Faculty ask for reconsideration of Hauck hire
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Interesting how this thread jumped the rails and turned into a big class war and pissing contest. One thing to remember is that the concerns of these 28 faculty members are going to carry a lot more weight than they should because they took the time to get organized, draft a letter, and make sure it was reported in the press. The appropriate way to deal with it is get organized, draft a counter-letter, and make sure it also gets reported in the press.
I am sure many more than 28 faculty members SUPPORT Bobby hauck, and as has been pointed out many times on this forum, most of the concerns, claims, and allegations weighing against Hauck and his previous tenure, and events that followed that tend to be attributed to him (often unfairly) don't hold up to serious scrutiny. The 28 people who signed that letter likely have not done their homework on the issues or data related to the issues and claims, and are mere reacting to heresay and rumors. In spite of what Krakauer's book and media reports suggested, Missoula, and UM -- statistically speaking -- has always been one of the safest campuses and cities in America and the university ranks extremely low in comparrison to other university's when it comes to rape, etc.
Unfortunately, events that did occur got a grossly disproportionate amount of attention...and the sad fact is that sheeple don't bother to check their facts or other people's facts as presented to them, so alternative "facts" about what happened or didn't happen perpetuate and take the place of the truth. Compound that with people's tendency these days to try to try to shout down those with opposing or incorrect views instead of presenting a fact-based argument, and a well-organized but ill-informed minority like this can easily get its way. People who support Hauck and his hiring need to resist the urge to bitch and bellow and take meaningful action to squash these people under the weight of REASON and FACTS coupled with the actual wants and desires of the majority of the community.
I am sure many more than 28 faculty members SUPPORT Bobby hauck, and as has been pointed out many times on this forum, most of the concerns, claims, and allegations weighing against Hauck and his previous tenure, and events that followed that tend to be attributed to him (often unfairly) don't hold up to serious scrutiny. The 28 people who signed that letter likely have not done their homework on the issues or data related to the issues and claims, and are mere reacting to heresay and rumors. In spite of what Krakauer's book and media reports suggested, Missoula, and UM -- statistically speaking -- has always been one of the safest campuses and cities in America and the university ranks extremely low in comparrison to other university's when it comes to rape, etc.
Unfortunately, events that did occur got a grossly disproportionate amount of attention...and the sad fact is that sheeple don't bother to check their facts or other people's facts as presented to them, so alternative "facts" about what happened or didn't happen perpetuate and take the place of the truth. Compound that with people's tendency these days to try to try to shout down those with opposing or incorrect views instead of presenting a fact-based argument, and a well-organized but ill-informed minority like this can easily get its way. People who support Hauck and his hiring need to resist the urge to bitch and bellow and take meaningful action to squash these people under the weight of REASON and FACTS coupled with the actual wants and desires of the majority of the community.
CDAGRIZ said:
The main concern here is the rapid proliferation of the ocelot despite a marked decline in Peruvian guinea pig numbers.
And as any South American herpetologist worth his salt will tell you, the only good ocelot is a dead ocelot.
Don't want to sound alarmist, but a major rift has been developing in SoAm wildlife biology culture since before the last El Niño hit in '10.
Your buddy's side gig is safe. For now.
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This is my new favorite thread.
Now if you'll all excuse me, GGNez and I have some pressing business at one of my Schick Shadels.
Now if you'll all excuse me, GGNez and I have some pressing business at one of my Schick Shadels.
Bozo JrCollegeofAG
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I guess these poor liberals are gonna have to get new "not my Griz coach" shirts and posters to match their "not my President" ones...
BozAngelesGriz
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17 pages...
http://missoulian.com/news/local/updated-letter-from-some-university-of-montana-faculty-seeks-reconsideration/article_1930c723-7c0d-5223-8907-a9a417e457c5.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
Some tidbits....
"I'm so insulted by that email, and it so profoundly misunderstands our relationship with our students and the work that we do outside of the classroom and inside of the classroom," said (Elizabeth) Hubble, a lecturer and program director at UM. She drafted the letter, and faculty member Anya Jabour edited it.
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"In an email, UM spokeswoman Paula Short said the university will not reconsider the contract..."
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"Faculty member Elizabeth Hubble drafted the letter requesting UM reconsider the hire, and she shared the concerns of the signers Thursday at a Faculty Senate meeting. She said the number of signers continued to grow, and the individuals named in a Missoulian story posted online Thursday morning received a threatening email later from a staff member in the Athletics Department..."
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She said the email didn't make a physical threat, but "it reads pretty threatening." She said the email told the signers they should be more focused on their jobs than on Hauck...."
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"Legal counsel Lucy France said campus police were soon meeting with Davey and her partner, and officials were discussing whether there was a criminal component to the situation."
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"Thursday, Faculty Senate Chair Mary-Ann Bowman said Haslam and Hauck both offered to come to a Faculty Senate meeting and speak with members. In an email, Short also said UM will hold conversations with the campus and the community about the concerns."
"Coach Hauck also looks forward to these important conversations. The timing will depend somewhat on both the presidential transition as well as Coach Hauck's transition to Missoula," Short said.
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"When I arrive on campus next month, I look forward to meeting with these faculty members to discuss their concerns and ideas around this critically important issue," Bodnar said. "My commitment to the pursuit of excellence — with integrity and respect always — extends to athletics, but also to academics, student activities and every facet of this university."
Some tidbits....
"I'm so insulted by that email, and it so profoundly misunderstands our relationship with our students and the work that we do outside of the classroom and inside of the classroom," said (Elizabeth) Hubble, a lecturer and program director at UM. She drafted the letter, and faculty member Anya Jabour edited it.
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"In an email, UM spokeswoman Paula Short said the university will not reconsider the contract..."
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"Faculty member Elizabeth Hubble drafted the letter requesting UM reconsider the hire, and she shared the concerns of the signers Thursday at a Faculty Senate meeting. She said the number of signers continued to grow, and the individuals named in a Missoulian story posted online Thursday morning received a threatening email later from a staff member in the Athletics Department..."
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She said the email didn't make a physical threat, but "it reads pretty threatening." She said the email told the signers they should be more focused on their jobs than on Hauck...."
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"Legal counsel Lucy France said campus police were soon meeting with Davey and her partner, and officials were discussing whether there was a criminal component to the situation."
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"Thursday, Faculty Senate Chair Mary-Ann Bowman said Haslam and Hauck both offered to come to a Faculty Senate meeting and speak with members. In an email, Short also said UM will hold conversations with the campus and the community about the concerns."
"Coach Hauck also looks forward to these important conversations. The timing will depend somewhat on both the presidential transition as well as Coach Hauck's transition to Missoula," Short said.
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"When I arrive on campus next month, I look forward to meeting with these faculty members to discuss their concerns and ideas around this critically important issue," Bodnar said. "My commitment to the pursuit of excellence — with integrity and respect always — extends to athletics, but also to academics, student activities and every facet of this university."
I’m doing just fine. Retired at 43, 5 years ago. Your concern, disingenuous as it is, is misplaced but noted.GrizLA said:
Also, there isn’t necessarily a correlation between a “liberal arts” degree and being “very liberal” or even “slightly liberal” for that matter. Either way, your politics are of no interest to me.
She said the email didn't make a physical threat, but "it reads pretty threatening." She said the email told the signers they should be more focused on their jobs than on Hauck...."
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If this is true Kent, how the hell does this happen? Allowing folks from your team to pour gas on this fire isn’t great management or leadership.
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I also said in a different thread that open forums with the coach, AD & new president to address concerns would be worthwhile to let’s folks air their issues & hear them answered. I also hope Bodnar, once he’s gotten his bearings, starts to press on why the value of an LA education doesn’t seem to resonate with prospective students & what the entire faculty & administration is doing to address this critical concern. I’d pay my own way to fly in to be present for their discussions.
For me, it’s long past time to address changes to circulum & develop and grow programs that prospective students would find valuable, such that they could start spending dollars where the value is & start off-loading under performing assets.
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If this is true Kent, how the hell does this happen? Allowing folks from your team to pour gas on this fire isn’t great management or leadership.
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I also said in a different thread that open forums with the coach, AD & new president to address concerns would be worthwhile to let’s folks air their issues & hear them answered. I also hope Bodnar, once he’s gotten his bearings, starts to press on why the value of an LA education doesn’t seem to resonate with prospective students & what the entire faculty & administration is doing to address this critical concern. I’d pay my own way to fly in to be present for their discussions.
For me, it’s long past time to address changes to circulum & develop and grow programs that prospective students would find valuable, such that they could start spending dollars where the value is & start off-loading under performing assets.
BleacherCreature
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The best part of this whole thread is argh! Trying to post without a ? key.
BleacherCreature
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One of the things these 28 faculty are looking for is a scapegoat for the declining enrollment. They seem to think they can explain away their lack of recruiting efforts by pinning UM's problems on Hauck. I know many faculty members who recruit like crazy - and their departments ended up in the top category in the APASP process. However, far more faculty members take the approach of "We're UM.....of course students will come here" or "Recruiting is someone else's job. I was hired to teach." Like any business, you have to get the consumers in the door first. Young people want to feel like they are wanted and welcomed - just like all the rest of us.
Just set the same standard. If a student (non-athlete) gets in trouble the school should hold that professor(s) partially responsible. They should have their pay tied to enrollment in their classes and overall student conduct. How fast are these professors going to argue that they can’t control what kids do outside of their class?
