Expectations

[SoldierGriz]

...and in year 5 with ALL his own recruits...is that convenient?

So in the last 3 years they have 10, 10, and 7 wins and yet many want him gone. Not sure that makes a whole lot of sense other than people expected this to be like his last stint without realizing that the Griz had fallen a long way since then and the other BSC schools have gotten better.

...exactly. and BH has yet to rise to the occasion. No conference championships...nothing beyond the quarters...

But, some are happy with it. I think it's weak and timid.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So in the last 3 years they have 10, 10, and 7 wins and yet many want him gone. Not sure that makes a whole lot of sense other than people expected this to be like his last stint without realizing that the Griz had fallen a long way since then and the other BSC schools have gotten better.

...exactly. and BH has yet to rise to the occasion. No conference championships...nothing beyond the quarters...

But, some are happy with it. I think it's weak and timid.

My stance was and is, that I am fine with seeing how things go for another year. I have never said that 7-4 is something to be happy about.

 

[Mousegriz]

So convenient to discard any mention of the back to back 10 win seasons.

...and in year 5 with ALL his own recruits...is that convenient?

Yeah I was posting about this year. The one where Griz were ranked#2 at one point and lots of you "excusers" thought a title contender.

Did not realize posts about this year's opponents had to be screened by HHB and include info on other irrelevant seasons.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

Expectations need to reflect reality Riley, hauck, and all the Griz homer pundits need to cool it with all the talk of “depth” “championship caliber” and the like. Also, I’m of the opinion that the current recruiting strategy is flawed and should be revised. Offensive scheme also needs some work. Against teams with a average to above average defense this offense is shit. I tried telling hoopsfan that and got the “you never played the game” speech well I think I was proven right today by another piss poor offensive performance.

If you really think it was our offensive performance that led to such a dominant loss today, I'm with PR. The strength of our team has been our run defense and they ran through us like we weren't there. Men against boys. Griz were not ready to play.

I don’t think it was the offense alone, but they didn’t help the defense at all either. The defense got manhandled today for sure. I don’t know what the answer is there though. For now I think the quickest course correcting actions we could be take would be revising our dumbass recruiting strategy though, where we offer very few players and then heavily rely on the portal when we inevitably whiff on most the players we go after. Then change up the Offensive scheme. As for the defense I’m not sure what needs changing. Until today I thought we were a good defense. Now I’m not so sure. We certainly weren’t today.

 

[SoldierGriz]

...exactly. and BH has yet to rise to the occasion. No conference championships...nothing beyond the quarters...

But, some are happy with it. I think it's weak and timid.

My stance was and is, that I am fine with seeing how things go for another year. I have never said that 7-4 is something to be happy about.

Many seem to be, and excuses are gross this year from the fan base.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

...and in year 5 with ALL his own recruits...is that convenient?

Yeah I was posting about this year. The one where Griz were ranked#2 at one point and lots of you "excusers" thought a title contender.

Did not realize posts about this year's opponents had to be screened by HHB and include info on other irrelevant seasons.

My point was that Bobby's guys got 10 wins last year.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yeah I was posting about this year. The one where Griz were ranked#2 at one point and lots of you "excusers" thought a title contender.

Did not realize posts about this year's opponents had to be screened by HHB and include info on other irrelevant seasons.

My point was that Bobby's guys got 10 wins last year.

Since when did we, as a fan base, measure success by wins?

Success is the FCS is judged by performance in the playoffs...National Championships and appearances therein are all that matter...or used to.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

My point was that Bobby's guys got 10 wins last year.

Since when did we, as a fan base, measure success by wins?

Success is the FCS is judged by performance in the playoffs...National Championships and appearances therein are all that matter...or used to.

Well, you do need wins to accomplish those things. And if you are basing success for Montana coaches on those criteria, Hauck has had more success the last 3 years than any Montana coach since Bobby Hauck.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Since when did we, as a fan base, measure success by wins?

Success is the FCS is judged by performance in the playoffs...National Championships and appearances therein are all that matter...or used to.

Well, you do need wins to accomplish those things. And if you are basing success for Montana coaches on those criteria, Hauck has had more success the last 3 years than any Montana coach since Bobby Hauck.

Huh? BH has not led the team to Natty during this rodeo...zero.

 

[MontanaJack2006]

Somewhere... Morningweg is sitting in his home office, eyes bloodshot from drinking, and printing off his ALL CAPS resume

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Well, you do need wins to accomplish those things. And if you are basing success for Montana coaches on those criteria, Hauck has had more success the last 3 years than any Montana coach since Bobby Hauck.

Huh? BH has not led the team to Natty during this rodeo...zero.

But Natty wasn't the only criteria you listed but performance in the playoffs. And I would think that since it has been like 14 years since a Championship appearance, that maybe that criteria isn't in fact an accurate criteria curreently.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Huh? BH has not led the team to Natty during this rodeo...zero.

But Natty wasn't the only criteria you listed but performance in the playoffs. And I would think that since it has been like 14 years since a Championship appearance, that maybe that criteria isn't in fact an accurate criteria curreently.

Playoffs...and national championships therein is what I said...that is (used to be) the standard...certainly the objective.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But Natty wasn't the only criteria you listed but performance in the playoffs. And I would think that since it has been like 14 years since a Championship appearance, that maybe that criteria isn't in fact an accurate criteria curreently.

Playoffs...and national championships therein is what I said...that is (used to be) the standard...certainly the objective.

Well, I would suggest that the past 14 years have not made Championships the standard, but the exception.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Playoffs...and national championships therein is what I said...that is (used to be) the standard...certainly the objective.

Well, I would suggest that the past 14 years have not made Championships the standard, but the exception.

...and therein lies the problem. Weak and timid.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Well, I would suggest that the past 14 years have not made Championships the standard, but the exception.

...and therein lies the problem. Weak and timid.

I am not saying that we all wouldn't like to win Championships, but if that is you criteria of success, you are looking at a whole lot of failure. I am not saying 7-4 is successful, but I do believe that 10-3 is successful, even if they didn't win a Championship.

 

[Fahque]

Somewhere... Morningweg is sitting in his home office, eyes bloodshot from drinking, and printing off his ALL CAPS resume

That has to be read with a WWF emphasis

 

[AZGrizFan]

It legitimately makes me sad to this level of excuses and mental gymnastics from Griz fans. If rationalization makes you feel better so be it...

Yeah, actual results are a tough thing for many Griz fans living in the past to accept. Time to get past 2009 and realize that the landscape of college football, BSC football, has caught up, and in some instances, has passed UM over the last 14 years.

Now if only Bobby would realize that and make the necessary changes….

 

[AZGrizFan]

Let's see, Bobby has two 10 win seasons in his last 3. When was the last time that happened? This year was a letdown, but outside of the Cat game, they weren't that far off of winning more. I am willing to see how things go next year, and see if they are closer to 7 or 10. Only Griz fans think they are more than mediocre anymore. But for the record, I think Bobby has to make some adjustments to have more success.

Yup, 2 top 8 seasons followed by probably a top 20, is certainly in the ball park. I agree this season is disappointing. Lucking into the playoffs would be a bonus.

The only other school in this level of football that’d be top 20 at 7-4 is NDSU. Living off the past is no way to live.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So our standard now has become: “But he’s better than Stitt!”

 

[bigtyme]

...and in year 5 with ALL his own recruits...is that convenient?

So in the last 3 years they have 10, 10, and 7 wins and yet many want him gone. Not sure that makes a whole lot of sense other than people expected this to be like his last stint without realizing that the Griz had fallen a long way since then and the other BSC schools have gotten better.

Bobby is repeatedly getting out-coached and out-recruited. The product speaks for itself. Right now he thinks he is Griz football, which by itself reveals its limitations. The whole 37 debacle and his arrogance with the media is telling of what is going on and that to me is embarrassing and a problem.