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grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eastern has a 48% 3rd down efficiency, throws an average of 12.1 yds/completed throw, has 35% of yards per game in rushing. Brady can't come close to those numbers, but those are the numbers that have made a winning season for Eastern.

Are you suggesting that Simis can come close to those numbers?
Simis has exceeded Eastern's "average" game on key metrics.

Gustafson never has, and the more he played the lower his metrics went, in an odd inversion of what "familiarity" with "The Playbook" usually produces. Stitt seems to have "an effect" on QBs.

Simis has seen the same odd result, but started with much higher performance ratings in all except total yards thrown -- and still got more points from his throws.
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eastern has a 48% 3rd down efficiency, throws an average of 12.1 yds/completed throw, has 35% of yards per game in rushing. Brady can't come close to those numbers, but those are the numbers that have made a winning season for Eastern.

Are you suggesting that Simis can come close to those numbers?
Simis has exceeded Eastern's "average" game on key metrics. Gustafson never has.

You did not really answer the question....
 
grizindabox said:
reinell30 said:
It is not a fair comparison to use NDSU stats for Brady G because NDSU had no tape to look over before game. Since NDSU, every team has known exactly what the Griz are doing. Without good pass protection for Brady G. he will not be able to get off the long passes needed to beat EW. We will see a lot of bubble screens again to counter the EW rush. I know their defense is horrible, but so was ISU's. I think we see a lot of Tyler Lucas in this game. I believe we see a lot of Roberts and Horner in pass protection of Brady...I believe we see a Griz team (Offense) we haven't seen this year...I believe Coach Stitt has been looking forward for these last two games since the season started and he has a lot of schemes up his sleeves planned for just these next two...I like Brady G back at QB, he will lead this team to the victory over EW...

Don't hold your breath if you are thinking he plays QB...

I didn't say anything about QB.....
 
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
Eastern has a 48% 3rd down efficiency, throws an average of 12.1 yds/completed throw, has 35% of yards per game in rushing. Brady can't come close to those numbers, but those are the numbers that have made a winning season for Eastern.

Are you suggesting that Simis can come close to those numbers?
Simis has exceeded Eastern's "average" game on key metrics. Gustafson never has.

You did not really answer the question....
Well, if he has exceeded them, I'd venture that "comes close."
 
reinell30 said:
grizindabox said:
reinell30 said:
It is not a fair comparison to use NDSU stats for Brady G because NDSU had no tape to look over before game. Since NDSU, every team has known exactly what the Griz are doing. Without good pass protection for Brady G. he will not be able to get off the long passes needed to beat EW. We will see a lot of bubble screens again to counter the EW rush. I know their defense is horrible, but so was ISU's. I think we see a lot of Tyler Lucas in this game. I believe we see a lot of Roberts and Horner in pass protection of Brady...I believe we see a Griz team (Offense) we haven't seen this year...I believe Coach Stitt has been looking forward for these last two games since the season started and he has a lot of schemes up his sleeves planned for just these next two...I like Brady G back at QB, he will lead this team to the victory over EW...

Don't hold your breath if you are thinking he plays QB...

I didn't say anything about QB.....

My bad....you only threw his name out there in a thread about Gus....also who sits for Lucas to get WR reps...
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
Are you suggesting that Simis can come close to those numbers?
Simis has exceeded Eastern's "average" game on key metrics. Gustafson never has.

You did not really answer the question....
Well, if he has exceeded them, I'd venture that "comes close."

Seems to be a Yes or No question about the future...not a "he exceeded them in the past" type question...

Also, I think Simis is more the PSU/ISU QB and less the UND QB...so not sure what that does to your metric....
 
MiningCityGrizFan said:
Finally, Stitt and co. seemed to go away from the formula that was working against UND. In that game they kept the RB in to block, which gave the routes time to develop down field and Simis time to go through his progressions.
I've been pointing to this repeatedly. Each week seems like a different coach at work, a kind of "coach ADHD." I don't know how a team figures these changes out on a weekly basis. Well, they don't, of course. That's why Brady kept overthrowing and "miscommunicating" right up until he broke his leg.

Any QB/strategy that can only convert 33% of third downs is going to lose this game.

That's Brady's consistent all-game percentage, and that was Makena's worst single game performance; his high being 50%, his average at 44%. Makena "can" do it, Brady has never demonstrated that he "can."
 
BWahlberg said:
AZGrizFan said:
BWahlberg said:
Is it fair to say Gus is 1-2 when that 2nd loss at Liberty he played just 3 series?

It is when we were in a 17-0 hole when he left.

I didn't realize Gus was playing defense in that game too.
Well if he'd left with a 21-17 lead or 17-17 tie then I'd probably feel differently.

3 plays, 6 yards: punt
9 plays 23 yards: punt
9 plays 33 yards: missed FG
 
CV Griz Fan said:
BWahlberg said:
AZGrizFan said:
BWahlberg said:
Is it fair to say Gus is 1-2 when that 2nd loss at Liberty he played just 3 series?

It is when we were in a 17-0 hole when he left.

I didn't realize Gus was playing defense in that game too.

Great point. The first quarter and a half of that game the Griz D played horribly.....

They were on the field almost the entire time.
 
Sounds like 75 is gonna get his wish...from the way Stitt is talking, it doesn't seem that Gus is ready to go. He also dropped this

"Simis needs to calm down in game after playing 2.5 weeks. He can't make a frantic play and ISU was like a repeat of Weber."
 
AZGrizFan said:
CV Griz Fan said:
BWahlberg said:
AZGrizFan said:
It is when we were in a 17-0 hole when he left.

I didn't realize Gus was playing defense in that game too.

Great point. The first quarter and a half of that game the Griz D played horribly.....

They were on the field almost the entire time.

So......you do realize that they were awful from the first snap...first 2 Liberty possessions 10 plays, 74 yards, 5:38 and 1 play, 72 yards, :10
 
Two defensive touchdowns in the Idaho State game so that gets Simis down to 78 points.

If Cal Poly misses at the gun and ISU makes, the records are reversed.

Let's go with Gus...he's been practicing for two weeks so perhaps he will come out guns blazing like he did vs. NDSU.
 
grizindabox said:
Also, I think Simis is more the PSU/ISU QB and less the UND QB...so not sure what that does to your metric....
Yes, and choosing some data over other data is .... called what?

The fact is, he's done it. Nothing theoretical about that. Other than having Stitt constantly yelling his his face, there's no particular reason that a coach cannot play up to Makena's strengths. Its been done in outstanding fashion already, and it especially played to the strength of our wide receivers who also had arguably their best game of the season as well. JN did some blocking that was first class. There was a team out there.

Stitt has got something in his playbook about short passes, running JN for two yards per play, getting flattened, and then missing 67% of third down conversions with Brady which he apparently thinks is hot stuff.

And the problem is the amazing consistency of that pattern, which he has apparently been wanting Makena to adopt because it worked so well for Brady. Makena's got some talents. They aren't Brady's.

Importantly, he can throw long balls without consistent overthrows.

And, aside from long balls, Makena can make the 3rd down conversions that the taller, brighter, stronger QB just can't. Makena's alleged inability to get second and third reads distinguishes him from Brady, whose alleged ability to do so constantly resulted in "miscommunications." It may be that Stitt wants Brady to move the game faster, the 90 play game, but cripes, that's what's causing the "miscommunications" and the 67% conversion failure rate. News Item: consistently throwing the ball away because of "miscommunications" is NOT because Brady is particularly good at reading his progressions, and the fact is that Makena's significantly higher conversion rate is because he is doing a better job at reading "something."

The problem I have here is the complete lack of any statistical data that supports any prospect that Brady can win a game for the rest of the season schedule. There is just no basis for it. I keep reading that he "understands the playbook," and that everyone agrees he's the "man," but I cannot find in the statistical record any basis for that view whatsoever. It may be that he has some real talent with that powerful arm, but perhaps he's reading "The Playbook" too well. It's keeping him from demonstrating the talent this team needs to win.

The best statistics -- by far -- were pumped out by the kid that doesn't know the playbook, can't read plays, doesn't know how to throw, and is getting yelled at all the time. I'd say "The Playbook" may be the real problem here. Coach would do best to throw it out the window and look at the talent and ask "how can we design a game to make it work for them, rather than for me?"

As Mick Delaney pointed out early, "you don't want to be switching QBs in and out toward the end of the season," but part of the job here is to "manage" the QBs.

Brady was "managed" into a set of game metrics that will not win another game. Makena has been "managed" from talented, really exceptional performances, to being gun shy of playing football.

And today is Tuesday.
 
75, ultimately neither QB is ideal, but you are fooling yourself if you don't think Simis is easy to defend. The only thing he has success at is running, and half of those are because he panics when his primary is covered and he takes off running...Simis had success game 1 because of the unknown...everyone knows what he is now...easy to defend...
 
UMGriz75 said:
[Brady has never demonstrated that he "can."
Brady beat NDSU by engineering a last minute drive and throwing for 434 yards against one of the best defenses in FCS. Simis has not "demonstrated" anything similar.

There is one thing that Brady has not done that Simis has - throw 3 ints in one quarter.
 
grizindabox said:
75, ultimately neither QB is ideal, but you are fooling yourself if you don't think Simis is easy to defend. The only thing he has success at is running, and half of those are because he panics when his primary is covered and he takes off running...Simis had success game 1 because of the unknown...everyone knows what he is now...easy to defend...

He also had success in game 1 because he played against an abhorrent secondary, who decided to stay in man coverage against superior athletes and gave up a bunch of 50/50 balls.
 
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