Engstrom's Idea to Help Enrollment

[Umista]

As a strong and predujiced person when it comes to the U of M... I can say this. I went to the U and four of my children also attended. My wife is very involved at the U. Some of my kids spouse's also attended. Lawyers, teachers etc.

BUT....three of my grandchildren did not enroll at U of M. Two will graduate from msu. One from Sac State.
WHY? Simple. The damn Rape scandal. The mothers of these kids all attended U of M. Yup, I am a ticked off old fart. Our extra donations to the school have dried up and will begin again when we get a new leader!

 

[EverettGriz]

PR, I don't read your shit. Happened to see your final sentence, unfortunately. You claiming someone lacks objectivity is about the funniest fvcking thing I've ever read on here.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, I don't read your shit. Happened to see your final sentence, unfortunately. You claiming someone lacks objectivity is about the funniest fvcking thing I've ever read on here.

You just know I'm right most of the time and don't know how to respond, so you try to duck it with comments like this. I can see right through you. Pretty weak stuff, and not much substance.

 

[griznative24]

1. I encourage you to do a little research on donations. It's public record. And while the Washingtons of course are extremely generous, the number of both personal and business donors has also increased year over year.

2. Perhaps. But I can promise you, enrollment is cyclical.

3. Hmmmmmm, we must be speaking with different people. I suppose it's all about perception.

4. Wow. That's an interesting take.

5. I can understand how some would feel that way.

What I don't understand are those -- not you -- who blindly criticize every action he takes, particularly because there has been a lot of good.

Is this supposed to be directed at me? I feel that this is directed at me. Anyways, here we go:
1. Yes perhaps I shall
2. I hope you are right. But a quarter drop in anything is hardly cyclical.
3. Yes. You mentioned business owner's as the people you spoke with, I mentioned students and the 18-35 demographic. There is over a 100,000 people in this valley, so not surprising.
4. You could call it a take, but the record shows a pattern.
5. The numbers are quite convincing.

It does seem that he gets a lot of blind criticism. That happens when people are passionate and unhappy. I would love to support the president, and I love supporting this school, but I just can't anymore with the former. I want the best for this school, and there has been some good: recent construction, graduation rates, undergrad participation. But the balance, in my opinion, is slipping in the wrong direction.

 

[UMGriz75]

2. Perhaps. But I can promise you, enrollment is cyclical.

 

[UMGriz75]

It is the largest enrollment drop in UM history. Not even during the Great Depression or war years was the decline so deep and so prolonged. And this graph does include the recent year's 1,000 student drop.

 

[grizatheart]

What do RE and BO have in common? Both worst Presidents in history.

 

[statler & waldorf]

UMGriz75 does his homework.

 

[garizzalies]

2. Enrollment is cyclical and will be back. Will you credit Engstrom when that happens?

WTF. You can't have it both ways. If enrollment is cyclical, and not Engstrom's fault when it drops, than he can't get the credit when it rebounds

 

[Grisly Fan]

It is the largest enrollment drop in UM history. Not even during the Great Depression or war years was the decline so deep and so prolonged. And this graph does include the recent year's 1,000 student drop.

if this graph shows a cycle then I missed that day in math class.

 

[tgreseth]

if this graph shows a cycle then I missed that day in math class.

This graph isn't supposed to show a cycle however Everett is absolutely correct regarding the cyclical nature of college enrollment. The smallest bit of research will tell you that. UM is not alone in experiencing a downturn in enrollment. To be clear, I'm not defending Engstrom or the University's performance...

Is this supposed to be directed at me? I feel that this is directed at me. Anyways, here we go:
1. Yes perhaps I shall
2. I hope you are right. But a quarter drop in anything is hardly cyclical.
3. Yes. You mentioned business owner's as the people you spoke with, I mentioned students and the 18-35 demographic. There is over a 100,000 people in this valley, so not surprising.
4. You could call it a take, but the record shows a pattern.
5. The numbers are quite convincing.

Have you talked to all students and/or others in the 18-35 age range? You suggest that Everett's sample of opinions is too narrow; I'd bet yours isn't much larger...

 

[griznative24]

Is this supposed to be directed at me? I feel that this is directed at me. Anyways, here we go:
1. Yes perhaps I shall
2. I hope you are right. But a quarter drop in anything is hardly cyclical.
3. Yes. You mentioned business owner's as the people you spoke with, I mentioned students and the 18-35 demographic. There is over a 100,000 people in this valley, so not surprising.
4. You could call it a take, but the record shows a pattern.
5. The numbers are quite convincing.

Have you talked to all students and/or others in the 18-35 age range? You suggest that Everett's sample of opinions is too narrow; I'd bet yours isn't much larger...

I didn't say how many people I talked to and neither did Everett, I stated an age range. What are you talking about?

 

[Grisly Fan]

if this graph shows a cycle then I missed that day in math class.

This graph isn't supposed to show a cycle however Everett is absolutely correct regarding the cyclical nature of college enrollment. The smallest bit of research will tell you that. UM is not alone in experiencing a downturn in enrollment. To be clear, I'm not defending Engstrom or the University's performance...

Now I am really confused. Enrollment is cyclical but the graph, i.e. enrollment numbers, disprove it. How could it be cyclical when the numbers don't prove it? I guarantee I wasn't absent the years of calculus and engineering where we learned hat cyclic means.

 

[PlayerRep]

if this graph shows a cycle then I missed that day in math class.

This graph isn't supposed to show a cycle however Everett is absolutely correct regarding the cyclical nature of college enrollment. The smallest bit of research will tell you that. UM is not alone in experiencing a downturn in enrollment. To be clear, I'm not defending Engstrom or the University's performance...

Now I am really confused. Enrollment is cyclical but the graph, i.e. enrollment numbers, disprove it. How could it be cyclical when the numbers don't prove it? I guarantee I wasn't absent the years of calculus and engineering where we learned hat cyclic means.

I think they must mean that it's cyclical because UM's goes down and MSU's goes up.

I'm trying to figure out whether Engstrom or Everett makes more excuses. Maybe they are related.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Now we know how America will look 5 years down the road from the point at which "share the wealth" is instituted. All of the wealth creators/producers will have been driven from our midst and then we will be looking to the great socialist intellects for our economic leadership.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

It is the largest enrollment drop in UM history. Not even during the Great Depression or war years was the decline so deep and so prolonged. And this graph does include the recent year's 1,000 student drop.

if this graph shows a cycle then I missed that day in math class.

Does the high point in that graph approximate the presidential election of 2008?

 

[tnt]

First of all it isn't a scaled graph so it wouldn't show that there have been at least 4 drops in enrollment over the years far more significant than the most recent. In fact the ones in 52, 76, and 88 were very much proportional to the most recent. They also had a very similar occurrence. The feds quit paying for significant numbers of students to attend just as unemployment benefits were extended to several thousands of "economically impacted" displaced workers who also recieved free tuition. Even without scaling the data a HS statistics student can see the three obvious cycles. It will become even more obvious the next 3 years.

 

[scooter1984]

TNT should just tell folks that he is a Chemistry prof at UM and a buddy of Engstrom's---it would be much easier to understand.

 

[bgbigdog]

UMGriz75 does his homework.

Doesn't he also dole it out? Just saying...

 

[signedbewildered]

First of all it isn't a scaled graph so it wouldn't show that there have been at least 4 drops in enrollment over the years far more significant than the most recent. In fact the ones in 52, 76, and 88 were very much proportional to the most recent. They also had a very similar occurrence. The feds quit paying for significant numbers of students to attend just as unemployment benefits were extended to several thousands of "economically impacted" displaced workers who also recieved free tuition. Even without scaling the data a HS statistics student can see the three obvious cycles. It will become even more obvious the next 3 years.

.....and meanwhile at State?