Emphasis on recruiting Montana first hurting recruiting.?

[HelenaHandBasket]

Of course you don't since it makes your narrative invalid.

How many South Dakota kids on South Dakota State?

How many California kids on Sac St?

 

[Spanky2]

How many South Dakota kids on South Dakota State?

How many California kids on Sac St?

You don’t get it?

 

[RayWill]

I'd argue those numbers are even high because most of them physically aren't ready to to play until at year 3 in the program.

Take the guys in state who are real difference makers and let the rest go elsewhere. You can consistently find better talent, that is ready to contribute sooner outside the state. Gillman is a great example.

The reality here is that most Montana kids that make these rosters are either PWO or partial scholarship players (on the lower side of funds provided). Montana kids have to earn their way on to the field in Bozeman and Missoula. Whenever either MSU or UM has poor performance, the same parts of the fanbase start to blame the Montana kids which is just hilarious to me when the real problem comes with recruitment and player development. Also most of UM's best players who are All-Big Sky or quality depth players are Montana kids and the others who see significant playing time aren't downgrades but actually value-adds. MSU has 44 Montana kids on its roster and 8 currently start out of the 22 starters on offense/defense. UM has 47 and 6-8 are starters on the 22. It isn't like only Montana kids are playing here guys.

To be clear i am not blaming MT kids just that Bobby supposedly is focusing on them over other options that are available. I love he has a lot of MT talent just think that he should not focus on MT kids first.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

How many California kids on Sac St?

You don’t get it?

Actually you don't get it.

 

[Spanky2]

You don’t get it?

Actually you don't get it.

We probably have 20 kids on the roster that should be at Mt. Tech or Rocky. Recruiting is one of our problems and this is one of the reasons.Far too much focus on recruiting Montana kids. Yes, sign the good ones, then spend the time recruiting elsewhere. A team loaded with 47 Montana kids is good for ticket sales, but not winning football games.

 

[uofmman1122]

Actually you don't get it.

We probably have 20 kids on the roster that should be at Mt. Tech or Rocky. Recruiting is one of our problems and this is one of the reasons.Far too much focus on recruiting Montana kids. Yes, sign the good ones, then spend the time recruiting elsewhere. A team loaded with 47 Montana kids is good for ticket sales, but not winning football games.

So do the cats also have 20 guys who should be on NAIA rosters, or is it only our Montana guys that can't hack it?

Also, I know I've asked you this every time you bring this up and you refuse to say, but can you name these 20 guys who are NAIA players?

Can you at least tell me are they starters? Are they depth guys? I also don't think we should only have Montana recruits on our team, so you can forgo your usual response there, and I don't care about how many in-state recruits are on teams other than us and MSU, because it's apples and oranges.

Feel free to answer my questions, though.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Actually you don't get it.

We probably have 20 kids on the roster that should be at Mt. Tech or Rocky. Recruiting is one of our problems and this is one of the reasons.Far too much focus on recruiting Montana kids. Yes, sign the good ones, then spend the time recruiting elsewhere. A team loaded with 47 Montana kids is good for ticket sales, but not winning football games.

Spanky, geography has inherent advantages and disadvantages. Geography plays a large role in why Sac St has mostly California kids, and why UM and MSU have 45 Montana kids each, and why SDSU, NDSU, USD, and UND have the number of in-state kids that they do. Take a look at the number of FCS and FBS schools within 300 miles of SDSU and then take a look at the population. Now take a look at the number of FCS and FBS schools within 300 miles of UM and then take a look at the population. You want to simplify the issue, but it isn't simple. MSU has 45 Montana kids, yet they seem to be having success...what is the difference?

 

[Spanky2]

We probably have 20 kids on the roster that should be at Mt. Tech or Rocky. Recruiting is one of our problems and this is one of the reasons.Far too much focus on recruiting Montana kids. Yes, sign the good ones, then spend the time recruiting elsewhere. A team loaded with 47 Montana kids is good for ticket sales, but not winning football games.

So do the cats also have 20 guys who should be on NAIA rosters, or is it only our Montana guys that can't hack it?

Also, I know I've asked you this every time you bring this up and you refuse to say, but can you name these 20 guys who are NAIA players?

Can you at least tell me are they starters? Are they depth guys? I also don't think we should only have Montana recruits on our team, so you can forgo your usual response there.

You’re another guy with his head in the sand. Are you saying all 47 kids are more talented than we can recruit elsewhere? I know you’re going to say the 47 kids are all walk ons when you know that isn’t true.

 

[uofmman1122]

So do the cats also have 20 guys who should be on NAIA rosters, or is it only our Montana guys that can't hack it?

Also, I know I've asked you this every time you bring this up and you refuse to say, but can you name these 20 guys who are NAIA players?

Can you at least tell me are they starters? Are they depth guys? I also don't think we should only have Montana recruits on our team, so you can forgo your usual response there.

You’re another guy with his head in the sand. Are you saying all 47 kids are more talented than we can recruit elsewhere? I know you’re going to say the 47 kids are all walk ons when you know that isn’t true.

No, I'm clearly not saying that.

And you once again refuse to answer my questions.

Who are these kids, and why doesn't MSU also have 20 NAIA kids on their roster?

 

[Spanky2]

I don’t care about msu. How many of the 47 are starters?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don’t care about msu. How many of the 47 are starters?

Of course not, because it invalidates your argument. They have the same number of Montana kids but are having more success....what is the difference?

 

[Lord Vigo]

I'd argue those numbers are even high because most of them physically aren't ready to to play until at year 3 in the program.

Take the guys in state who are real difference makers and let the rest go elsewhere. You can consistently find better talent, that is ready to contribute sooner outside the state. Gillman is a great example.

The reality here is that most Montana kids that make these rosters are either PWO or partial scholarship players (on the lower side of funds provided). Montana kids have to earn their way on to the field in Bozeman and Missoula. Whenever either MSU or UM has poor performance, the same parts of the fanbase start to blame the Montana kids which is just hilarious to me when the real problem comes with recruitment and player development. Also most of UM's best players who are All-Big Sky or quality depth players are Montana kids and the others who see significant playing time aren't downgrades but actually value-adds. MSU has 44 Montana kids on its roster and 8 currently start out of the 22 starters on offense/defense. UM has 47 and 6-8 are starters on the 22. It isn't like only Montana kids are playing here guys.

Starters and key role players, when healthy...

For MSU I've got:

-T. Mellott
-L. Sumner
-T. Dowler
-T. Pickering
-J. Perkins
-M. Wehr
-C. Sain
-B. Grebe
-K. Eiden
-P. Brott
-N. Askelson
-M. O'Reilly
-C. Dowler
-R. Ortt

For UM I've got:

-J. Bergen
-J. Grimsrud
-J. Olson
-B. Hill
-L. Janacaro
-T. Flink
-R. Tirrell
-T. Gradney
-G. Graves
-R. Meyer

Am I missing anyone?

 

[Spanky2]

If they don’t start or back up a starter why do we want them. I guess to run out of the tunnel. How about 3 deep? How many. If you are aware of the team, you know one of our problems is recruiting. Maybe you have a relative that you watch run out of the tunnel?

 

[uofmman1122]

I don’t care about msu. How many of the 47 are starters?

Your entire argument hinges on why it's not the case at MSU with the same number of Montana kids.

 

[Spanky2]

Answer my question. How many of the 47 are starters? I rest my case.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

If they don’t start or back up a starter why do we want them. I guess to run out of the tunnel. How about 3 deep? How many. If you are aware of the team, you know one of our problems is recruiting. Maybe you have a relative that you watch run out of the tunnel?

You are correct, the Griz only need a roster of 50. There is absolutely no need for the other 40+ players.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Answer my question. How many of the 47 are starters? I rest my case.

How many of the 45 at MSU are starters? I rest my case.

 

[uofmman1122]

Answer my question. How many of the 47 are starters? I rest my case.

What does this even mean? A lot of the starters from MT weren't starters last year, but were still on the team. Should we have kicked them off the team last season? Should we replace them with younger out of state players on our roster who are worse?

Do you think these guys just showed up as starters? I'm genuinely baffled by the point you're trying to make here to justify an opinion or yours that is wrong and based on your faulty assumptions.

MSU has more starters from MT than we do, and they were all "NAIA-level depth players" at some point, to use your phrasing.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I don’t give two shits where players come from. All I know is we need better players. Montanans or not.

Completely agree. For the avoidance of doubt, my posts on this subject are not intended to suggest that we need fewer Montana kids. I’m attempting to make suggestions on how UM could become an innovator with the portal and use it to our advantage by not only getting FBS drop-downs, but also future FBS talent out of high school.

I honestly think it could work, you guys. I really do. I’m happy to entertain any counter arguments that show me I’m way off base with this.

 

[uofmman1122]

I don’t give two shits where players come from. All I know is we need better players. Montanans or not.

Completely agree. For the avoidance of doubt, my posts on this subject are not intended to suggest that we need fewer Montana kids. I’m attempting to make suggestions on how UM could become an innovator with the portal and use it to our advantage by not only getting FBS drop-downs, but also future FBS talent out of high school.

I honestly think it could work, you guys. I really do. I’m happy to entertain any counter arguments that show me I’m way off base with this.

If a coach came along saying he wants to turn UM into the power 5 farm team, I would go and yell outside of Bodnar's house tonight and every night this week to try and convince him to hire him.

I might need some of you to post my bail money, but it will be worth it, trust me.