Early look at the possible 2017 2-deep

[griz5700]

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.

Oh right in high school.... Dude won't run against FCS defenses. I guarantee you.

you sound like we play in the SEC.. :lol:

No we play in the Big Sky, where we just finished 3-5. Huge step from high school to college.

 

[griz5700]

Keep dreaming about another Jordan Johnson walking through the door. I'll be right on this, just like everything else.

 

[poorgriz]

Biggest problem is QB. When's the last time you had a drop down or juco QB step in and be the man? Never happens for us either.

Jack Rolovich led us to the quarterfinals in 2006. Last transfer to make any impact at QB for the Cats as Cody Kempt didn't exactly light the world on fire.

Yup. Point being it's pretty rare for a drop down or juco guy to come in and tear it up so I wouldn't count on that. I'd say it happens for about one out of every 10 you bring in at least from um and MSU experience. Some schools (EWU) maybe have better experience due to geography, admission standards, etc - I dunno.

 

[VimSince03]

Gresch is more of a "run to throw" QB instead of a "run to run" QB. He is pretty dang good in and outside of the pocket and is THE QB that will decide Stitt's future with the Griz. If he can develop him into more of the system he ran at Mines, everyone will get to see what Stitt's offense actually looks like. But if there continues to be a struggle, probably means that Stitt's offense is a little easier to contain than most Griz fans had hoped.

 

[brewskis]

Let's not sleep on Bea and Hill....I'm guessing the starter to be Hill next season.


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[grizcountry420]

Caleb Hill 2016 Mid Season Highlights..

http://www.hudl.com/video/3/1833392/57e975a8842eb2648c8f1f13

 

[zirge]

looking forward to seeing Lamarriel Taylor next year. i believe he can be a valuable contributor as it was to see McGee, Bingham and Calhoun this year.

 

[grizpack]

When is the last time we had a left-handed QB??

 

[BWahlberg]

Had a thread on this a while ago in the egriz club, we've seen a few changes come about since. We're on to the 2017 team and it'll be interesting to see how this team shapes up. The experience that returns in many spot is VERY GOOD - but there's also some obvious holes and areas of concern with depth/experience/etc.

Taking a stab at a possible 2-deep, here's what I see:

QB: Phillips / Jensen OR Hill
RB: Calhoun / Favors OR Green Or McCombs
WR: Curran / Akem OR Eaton
WR: Calhoun / Taylor OR Toure
WR: Louie-McGee / Homan OR Lyons
WR: Horner / Bingham
T: Reese / Torres
G: Villanueva / Scott
C: Sprunk / Luke
G: Hart / Eickmeyer
T: Jackson / Ralston

DE: Schye / Maua
DT: Davidson / Longoria / Rodriguez
DT: Mckee-Osibodu / Bradley / Tilleman
DE: Sims / Bedell
LB: Buss / Olson
LB: Strahm / Fa'atuiese
LB: Banks / Sirmon
CB: M. Sanders / Alexander
SS: Strong / Epperly
FS: Sandry / J. Williams
CB: McKinley / Cowans

K: Semenza OR Purdy
P: E. Williams

------------

Some observations

Would/Could Ben Weyer return from a medical redshirt - I believe he can, the question is would he want to? Sprunk has probably locked in the job at center but RG, Dietrich's prior position, could be somehwere a healthy Ben Weyer could succeed at.

WR depth is wide open - We're hearing great things about the red shirting freshman but doing good in practice and on the scout team is one thing, doing good in a game is another. The WR corps returns practically every major contributor who will all dramatically help whoever is our starting QB with a deep, talented, and experienced group.

The right side of the O-line will be inexperienced and young We've got lots of young guys that'll be dueling for two presumed spots. I took some wild-ass guesses on depth there and could be way off in my projections. The 2016 O-line is going to be pretty young, it'll feature 2 seniors in Spunk and Reese and the rest will be RS-sophs or RS-frosh most likely - as will the depth. This could lead to some growing pains with the OL...

Developing depth at DT should allow Jesse Sims to go back to DE or at least I hope he does, he had a great 2016 spring camp as a DE. Reports are he's a weight room warrior, would love to see the trio of him, Schye, and Bedell rushing the QB from the edges next year. DT depth will be interesting, Davidson and presumably MMO return as the anchors in the middle. Nate Bradley should return. Young guys like Longoria and Rodriguez (who won scout team player of the year) will get a legit shot to contribute

Corner will probably need a transfer or two Cowans in a few years could become a great player, he showed flashes of it as a true freshman, but flashes of greatness mean very little, needs to be consistent. The starting two of Sanders and McKinley will bring great experience and skill. Behind them is mostly young and/or untested.

Locking in a starting QB will be the #1 key to 2017's success We've got quite the grouping. Senior SEC transfer in Reese Phillips who will presumably open the starter and have the full chance to keep the job assuming he can show continued development in it. JuCo transfer Hill who brings a more athletic/physical aspect to the job, but will need to adapt fast. Hill I saw was recently named as the 13th best JuCo QBs in the nation and this site (not sure their source) gave him 3 stars. Other players ranked around him were going to Sun Belt or C-USA schools. Then there's Stitt's hand-picked freshman QB, Gresch Jensen who has had nothing but high praise from Andrew Selle and Bob Stitt. Could an RS Frosh come in and run with it? Brandon Bea as well throws a nice ball, he displayed that in fall camp. Kaegi a bit of a wild card to see if he's adapted and ready to compete.

Running back depth is unknown Will Tre Favors finally step up? Watch for Cody McCombs to make some noise. Younger backs in Martinez and Green were hurt this fall so we'll need to see what they can do. Stitt has shown he wants 2 to 3 backs he can rely on. Who will that be beyond Calhoun?

All 6 LBs from the 2-deep return This unit will presumably be the strength of the team. Depth can be leaned on a little more in 2017 I'd think.

I have no clue who our kicker will be I'd say Semenza if it weren't for his close-range meltdown as the season went on. Purdy looked good late but the team had to have Williams kick off and he couldn't get the ball to the endzone (however maybe that was the plan?)

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Per this wild guess the Griz would:

- Return 7 or 8 starters on offense (8 if you count Calhoun at RB)
- Return 7 to 9 starters on defense (Sandry & Sims both started 3 games, you could say we return 9)
- Have an average weight of 306 pounds on the O-line
- Return a whopping 88% of all receiving yards by receivers
- But... return just 1% of the total passing yards
- Return all top 3 tacklers (Buss, Strahm, Strong)
- And return 7 of the top 10 tacklers
- Return 45% of those that tallied sacks
- Return 67% of those that forced a turnover

Sorry don't have the time to carefully read the wall of text...

Question: Where exactly do you see the VERY GOOD talent returning?

It's 2016 - I build walls of texts, haha.

Good talent returning:

Jeremy Calhoun (RB)
Josh Buss
Connor Strahm
Justin Strong
Markell Sanders
Angel Villanueva
Jerry Louie McGee

Above Average talent returning:

David Reese
Cooper Sprunk
Justin Calhoun (WR)
Keenan Curran
Brandt Davidson
James Banks
Ryan McKinley
Josh Horner

 

[BWahlberg]

looking forward to seeing Lamarriel Taylor next year. i believe he can be a valuable contributor as it was to see McGee, Bingham and Calhoun this year.

Agreed - got hurt in camp at the worst time and it really cost him a chance to be effective this season.

 

[grizcountry420]

Had a thread on this a while ago in the egriz club, we've seen a few changes come about since. We're on to the 2017 team and it'll be interesting to see how this team shapes up. The experience that returns in many spot is VERY GOOD - but there's also some obvious holes and areas of concern with depth/experience/etc.

Taking a stab at a possible 2-deep, here's what I see:

QB: Phillips / Jensen OR Hill
RB: Calhoun / Favors OR Green Or McCombs
WR: Curran / Akem OR Eaton
WR: Calhoun / Taylor OR Toure
WR: Louie-McGee / Homan OR Lyons
WR: Horner / Bingham
T: Reese / Torres
G: Villanueva / Scott
C: Sprunk / Luke
G: Hart / Eickmeyer
T: Jackson / Ralston

DE: Schye / Maua
DT: Davidson / Longoria / Rodriguez
DT: Mckee-Osibodu / Bradley / Tilleman
DE: Sims / Bedell
LB: Buss / Olson
LB: Strahm / Fa'atuiese
LB: Banks / Sirmon
CB: M. Sanders / Alexander
SS: Strong / Epperly
FS: Sandry / J. Williams
CB: McKinley / Cowans

K: Semenza OR Purdy
P: E. Williams

------------

Some observations

Would/Could Ben Weyer return from a medical redshirt - I believe he can, the question is would he want to? Sprunk has probably locked in the job at center but RG, Dietrich's prior position, could be somehwere a healthy Ben Weyer could succeed at.

WR depth is wide open - We're hearing great things about the red shirting freshman but doing good in practice and on the scout team is one thing, doing good in a game is another. The WR corps returns practically every major contributor who will all dramatically help whoever is our starting QB with a deep, talented, and experienced group.

The right side of the O-line will be inexperienced and young We've got lots of young guys that'll be dueling for two presumed spots. I took some wild-ass guesses on depth there and could be way off in my projections. The 2016 O-line is going to be pretty young, it'll feature 2 seniors in Spunk and Reese and the rest will be RS-sophs or RS-frosh most likely - as will the depth. This could lead to some growing pains with the OL...

Developing depth at DT should allow Jesse Sims to go back to DE or at least I hope he does, he had a great 2016 spring camp as a DE. Reports are he's a weight room warrior, would love to see the trio of him, Schye, and Bedell rushing the QB from the edges next year. DT depth will be interesting, Davidson and presumably MMO return as the anchors in the middle. Nate Bradley should return. Young guys like Longoria and Rodriguez (who won scout team player of the year) will get a legit shot to contribute

Corner will probably need a transfer or two Cowans in a few years could become a great player, he showed flashes of it as a true freshman, but flashes of greatness mean very little, needs to be consistent. The starting two of Sanders and McKinley will bring great experience and skill. Behind them is mostly young and/or untested.

Locking in a starting QB will be the #1 key to 2017's success We've got quite the grouping. Senior SEC transfer in Reese Phillips who will presumably open the starter and have the full chance to keep the job assuming he can show continued development in it. JuCo transfer Hill who brings a more athletic/physical aspect to the job, but will need to adapt fast. Hill I saw was recently named as the 13th best JuCo QBs in the nation and this site (not sure their source) gave him 3 stars. Other players ranked around him were going to Sun Belt or C-USA schools. Then there's Stitt's hand-picked freshman QB, Gresch Jensen who has had nothing but high praise from Andrew Selle and Bob Stitt. Could an RS Frosh come in and run with it? Brandon Bea as well throws a nice ball, he displayed that in fall camp. Kaegi a bit of a wild card to see if he's adapted and ready to compete.

Running back depth is unknown Will Tre Favors finally step up? Watch for Cody McCombs to make some noise. Younger backs in Martinez and Green were hurt this fall so we'll need to see what they can do. Stitt has shown he wants 2 to 3 backs he can rely on. Who will that be beyond Calhoun?

All 6 LBs from the 2-deep return This unit will presumably be the strength of the team. Depth can be leaned on a little more in 2017 I'd think.

I have no clue who our kicker will be I'd say Semenza if it weren't for his close-range meltdown as the season went on. Purdy looked good late but the team had to have Williams kick off and he couldn't get the ball to the endzone (however maybe that was the plan?)

-----------

Per this wild guess the Griz would:

- Return 7 or 8 starters on offense (8 if you count Calhoun at RB)
- Return 7 to 9 starters on defense (Sandry & Sims both started 3 games, you could say we return 9)
- Have an average weight of 306 pounds on the O-line
- Return a whopping 88% of all receiving yards by receivers
- But... return just 1% of the total passing yards
- Return all top 3 tacklers (Buss, Strahm, Strong)
- And return 7 of the top 10 tacklers
- Return 45% of those that tallied sacks
- Return 67% of those that forced a turnover

Sorry don't have the time to carefully read the wall of text...

Question: Where exactly do you see the VERY GOOD talent returning?

It's 2016 - I build walls of texts, haha.

Good talent returning:

Jeremy Calhoun (RB)
Josh Buss
Connor Strahm
Justin Strong
Angel Villanueva
Jerry Louie McGee

Above Average talent returning:

David Reese
Cooper Sprunk
Justin Calhoun (WR)
Keenan Curran
Brandt Davidson
James Banks
Ryan McKinley
Josh Horner

Average talent returning:
Markell Sanders

FIFY

 

[BWahlberg]

I think Markell is above average, he did much better when the defense was solely man to man. We'll see though in 2017 for sure.

 

[grizcountry420]

I think Markell is above average, he did much better when the defense was solely man to man. We'll see though in 2017 for sure.

He plays alright coverage, It just seem like a lot of times when the ball came his way, he would never turn around to find it. His back was always against the ball..

 

[BWahlberg]

I think Markell is above average, he did much better when the defense was solely man to man. We'll see though in 2017 for sure.

He plays alright coverage, It just seem like a lot of times when the ball came his way, he would never turn around to find it. His back was always against the ball..

Agreed there - all of our corners save Nelson did that, and even he did that from time to time.

 

[grizcountry420]

I think Markell is above average, he did much better when the defense was solely man to man. We'll see though in 2017 for sure.

He plays alright coverage, It just seem like a lot of times when the ball came his way, he would never turn around to find it. His back was always against the ball..

Agreed there - all of our corners save Nelson did that, and even he did that from time to time.

You're right, it wasnt just Markell.. The whole group needs to work on that.

 

[SaskGriz]

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.

Oh right in high school.... Dude won't run against FCS defenses. I guarantee you.

This post got me thinking so I went back and checked, it looks like almost all the high school players we recruited put up their high school stats while in high school. I see your point we should be recruiting high school kids with previous FCS experience so we have a better idea of what we are getting.

 

[codycleve]

What about Brennan Corbin? He was one of the recruits I was more excited about.. A 6'5" 220 lb freshman receiver, one of the bigger kids at that position. I know we have a ton of receivers and was hoping to see him emerge at some point. seems like him and akem at 6'4"would create some match-up nightmares

 

[bgbigdog]

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.

Oh right in high school.... Dude won't run against FCS defenses. I guarantee you.

This post got me thinking so I went back and checked, it looks like almost all the high school players we recruited put up their high school stats while in high school. I see your point we should be recruiting high school kids with previous FCS experience so we have a better idea of what we are getting.

And there it is... :clap: Bravo.

 

[reinell30]

I believe Holden Ryan has got to be on the list at RB. This young man will impress with Calhoun!

 

[poorgriz]

Had a thread on this a while ago in the egriz club, we've seen a few changes come about since. We're on to the 2017 team and it'll be interesting to see how this team shapes up. The experience that returns in many spot is VERY GOOD - but there's also some obvious holes and areas of concern with depth/experience/etc.

Taking a stab at a possible 2-deep, here's what I see:

QB: Phillips / Jensen OR Hill
RB: Calhoun / Favors OR Green Or McCombs
WR: Curran / Akem OR Eaton
WR: Calhoun / Taylor OR Toure
WR: Louie-McGee / Homan OR Lyons
WR: Horner / Bingham
T: Reese / Torres
G: Villanueva / Scott
C: Sprunk / Luke
G: Hart / Eickmeyer
T: Jackson / Ralston

DE: Schye / Maua
DT: Davidson / Longoria / Rodriguez
DT: Mckee-Osibodu / Bradley / Tilleman
DE: Sims / Bedell
LB: Buss / Olson
LB: Strahm / Fa'atuiese
LB: Banks / Sirmon
CB: M. Sanders / Alexander
SS: Strong / Epperly
FS: Sandry / J. Williams
CB: McKinley / Cowans

K: Semenza OR Purdy
P: E. Williams

------------

Some observations

Would/Could Ben Weyer return from a medical redshirt - I believe he can, the question is would he want to? Sprunk has probably locked in the job at center but RG, Dietrich's prior position, could be somehwere a healthy Ben Weyer could succeed at.

WR depth is wide open - We're hearing great things about the red shirting freshman but doing good in practice and on the scout team is one thing, doing good in a game is another. The WR corps returns practically every major contributor who will all dramatically help whoever is our starting QB with a deep, talented, and experienced group.

The right side of the O-line will be inexperienced and young We've got lots of young guys that'll be dueling for two presumed spots. I took some wild-ass guesses on depth there and could be way off in my projections. The 2016 O-line is going to be pretty young, it'll feature 2 seniors in Spunk and Reese and the rest will be RS-sophs or RS-frosh most likely - as will the depth. This could lead to some growing pains with the OL...

Developing depth at DT should allow Jesse Sims to go back to DE or at least I hope he does, he had a great 2016 spring camp as a DE. Reports are he's a weight room warrior, would love to see the trio of him, Schye, and Bedell rushing the QB from the edges next year. DT depth will be interesting, Davidson and presumably MMO return as the anchors in the middle. Nate Bradley should return. Young guys like Longoria and Rodriguez (who won scout team player of the year) will get a legit shot to contribute

Corner will probably need a transfer or two Cowans in a few years could become a great player, he showed flashes of it as a true freshman, but flashes of greatness mean very little, needs to be consistent. The starting two of Sanders and McKinley will bring great experience and skill. Behind them is mostly young and/or untested.

Locking in a starting QB will be the #1 key to 2017's success We've got quite the grouping. Senior SEC transfer in Reese Phillips who will presumably open the starter and have the full chance to keep the job assuming he can show continued development in it. JuCo transfer Hill who brings a more athletic/physical aspect to the job, but will need to adapt fast. Hill I saw was recently named as the 13th best JuCo QBs in the nation and this site (not sure their source) gave him 3 stars. Other players ranked around him were going to Sun Belt or C-USA schools. Then there's Stitt's hand-picked freshman QB, Gresch Jensen who has had nothing but high praise from Andrew Selle and Bob Stitt. Could an RS Frosh come in and run with it? Brandon Bea as well throws a nice ball, he displayed that in fall camp. Kaegi a bit of a wild card to see if he's adapted and ready to compete.

Running back depth is unknown Will Tre Favors finally step up? Watch for Cody McCombs to make some noise. Younger backs in Martinez and Green were hurt this fall so we'll need to see what they can do. Stitt has shown he wants 2 to 3 backs he can rely on. Who will that be beyond Calhoun?

All 6 LBs from the 2-deep return This unit will presumably be the strength of the team. Depth can be leaned on a little more in 2017 I'd think.

I have no clue who our kicker will be I'd say Semenza if it weren't for his close-range meltdown as the season went on. Purdy looked good late but the team had to have Williams kick off and he couldn't get the ball to the endzone (however maybe that was the plan?)

-----------

Per this wild guess the Griz would:

- Return 7 or 8 starters on offense (8 if you count Calhoun at RB)
- Return 7 to 9 starters on defense (Sandry & Sims both started 3 games, you could say we return 9)
- Have an average weight of 306 pounds on the O-line
- Return a whopping 88% of all receiving yards by receivers
- But... return just 1% of the total passing yards
- Return all top 3 tacklers (Buss, Strahm, Strong)
- And return 7 of the top 10 tacklers
- Return 45% of those that tallied sacks
- Return 67% of those that forced a turnover

Sorry don't have the time to carefully read the wall of text...

Question: Where exactly do you see the VERY GOOD talent returning?

It's 2016 - I build walls of texts, haha.

Good talent returning:

Jeremy Calhoun (RB)
Josh Buss
Justin Strong
Markell Sanders
Angel Villanueva
Jerry Louie McGee

Above Average talent returning:

David Reese
Cooper Sprunk
Justin Calhoun (WR)
Keenan Curran
Brandt Davidson
James Banks
Ryan McKinley
Josh Horner

I'll fix one more for you.

Good talent but temper and boneheaded plays cause FAR more damage overall than any good plays can make up for: Conner Strahm.