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Early look at the possible 2017 2-deep

BillingsMafia said:
griz5700 said:
Finding it hard to be optimistic about 2017. A lot of unproven guys need to step up in a major way.
hate to be negative but you hit the nail on the head. again.
How is this different from any other year? Has there ever been a team that returned all 22 starters? I see 3 "unproven" starters on O(QB and 2 lineman) and 2 on D(both ends or an end and a tackle depending on where Sims ends up). Far as I can tell the only thing that needs proving is the O and D systems.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
BillingsMafia said:
griz5700 said:
Finding it hard to be optimistic about 2017. A lot of unproven guys need to step up in a major way.
hate to be negative but you hit the nail on the head. again.
How is this different from any other year? Has there ever been a team that returned all 22 starters? I see 3 "unproven" starters on O(QB and 2 lineman) and 2 on D(both ends or an end and a tackle depending on where Sims ends up). Far as I can tell the only thing that needs proving is the O and D systems.

This whole team is unproven - they just finished 3-5 in BSC play. A lot of the guys returning are still unknown or maybe just not that good, Curran for example. A lot of guys have to step up big time.
 
A couple things.

Has Weyer made it through a season without being out for injury? That may be a factor in his decision to seek or not a med redshirt.

When is the last time you guys had 4 year starter at qb?

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Allezchat said:
A couple things.

Has Weyer made it through a season without being out for injury? That may be a factor in his decision to seek or not a med redshirt.

When is the last time you guys had 4 year starter at qb?

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No one at least going back to Marty that I know of. Before him, I can't say for sure.
 
griz5700 said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Far as I can tell the only thing that needs proving is the O and D systems.
This whole team is unproven - they just finished 3-5 in BSC play. A lot of the guys returning are still unknown or maybe just not that good, Curran for example. A lot of guys have to step up big time.
Statistically, "this" team finished very high in many categories of performance ... except winning.

BSC rank
Scoring offense: 2
Scoring defense: 3
Total O: 2
Total D: 1
Pass O: 2
Pass D: 2
Pass D efficiency: 2

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2016/confldrs.htm
 
BWahlberg said:
Taking a stab at a possible 2-deep, here's what I see:

QB: Phillips / Jensen OR Hill <---- can Stitt and Selle coach them up ?
RB: Calhoun / Favors OR Green Or McCombs
WR: Curran / Akem OR Eaton <---- must catch / develop dependable hands
WR: Calhoun / Taylor OR Toure <---- Griz need a scary deep threat
WR: Louie-McGee / Homan OR Lyons
WR: Horner / Bingham <---- Griz MUST exploit the center of the field
T: Reese / Torres <---- need synchronized O-Line DOLA
G: Villanueva / Scott
C: Sprunk / Luke
G: Hart / Eickmeyer
T: Jackson / Ralston

DE: Schye / Maua
DT: Davidson / Longoria / Rodriguez <---- Griz MUST stop opponents rushing plays
DT: Mckee-Osibodu / Bradley / Tilleman <---- Griz MUST stop opponents rushing plays
DE: Sims / Bedell
LB: Buss / Olson
LB: Strahm / Fa'atuiese
LB: Banks / Sirmon
CB: M. Sanders / Alexander
SS: Strong / Epperly <---- Griz need more consistency
FS: Sandry / J. Williams <---- Griz need more consistency
CB: McKinley / Cowans

K: Semenza OR Purdy <---- seeking solutions/ answers ?

P: E. Williams

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thanks b/w for the thread,,,,,,,,,,,,defensive backs are a premium and is no different with the griz in my opinion....most coaches will tell you they have to be the most athletic person on the team....we need a drop down or a juco for 2017 in my opinion.......
 
BWahlberg said:
Had a thread on this a while ago in the egriz club, we've seen a few changes come about since. We're on to the 2017 team and it'll be interesting to see how this team shapes up. The experience that returns in many spot is VERY GOOD - but there's also some obvious holes and areas of concern with depth/experience/etc.

Taking a stab at a possible 2-deep, here's what I see:

QB: Phillips / Jensen OR Hill
RB: Calhoun / Favors OR Green Or McCombs
WR: Curran / Akem OR Eaton
WR: Calhoun / Taylor OR Toure
WR: Louie-McGee / Homan OR Lyons
WR: Horner / Bingham
T: Reese / Torres
G: Villanueva / Scott
C: Sprunk / Luke
G: Hart / Eickmeyer
T: Jackson / Ralston

DE: Schye / Maua
DT: Davidson / Longoria / Rodriguez
DT: Mckee-Osibodu / Bradley / Tilleman
DE: Sims / Bedell
LB: Buss / Olson
LB: Strahm / Fa'atuiese
LB: Banks / Sirmon
CB: M. Sanders / Alexander
SS: Strong / Epperly
FS: Sandry / J. Williams
CB: McKinley / Cowans

K: Semenza OR Purdy
P: E. Williams

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Some observations

Would/Could Ben Weyer return from a medical redshirt - I believe he can, the question is would he want to? Sprunk has probably locked in the job at center but RG, Dietrich's prior position, could be somehwere a healthy Ben Weyer could succeed at.

WR depth is wide open - We're hearing great things about the red shirting freshman but doing good in practice and on the scout team is one thing, doing good in a game is another. The WR corps returns practically every major contributor who will all dramatically help whoever is our starting QB with a deep, talented, and experienced group.

The right side of the O-line will be inexperienced and young We've got lots of young guys that'll be dueling for two presumed spots. I took some wild-ass guesses on depth there and could be way off in my projections. The 2016 O-line is going to be pretty young, it'll feature 2 seniors in Spunk and Reese and the rest will be RS-sophs or RS-frosh most likely - as will the depth. This could lead to some growing pains with the OL...

Developing depth at DT should allow Jesse Sims to go back to DE or at least I hope he does, he had a great 2016 spring camp as a DE. Reports are he's a weight room warrior, would love to see the trio of him, Schye, and Bedell rushing the QB from the edges next year. DT depth will be interesting, Davidson and presumably MMO return as the anchors in the middle. Nate Bradley should return. Young guys like Longoria and Rodriguez (who won scout team player of the year) will get a legit shot to contribute

Corner will probably need a transfer or two Cowans in a few years could become a great player, he showed flashes of it as a true freshman, but flashes of greatness mean very little, needs to be consistent. The starting two of Sanders and McKinley will bring great experience and skill. Behind them is mostly young and/or untested.

Locking in a starting QB will be the #1 key to 2017's success We've got quite the grouping. Senior SEC transfer in Reese Phillips who will presumably open the starter and have the full chance to keep the job assuming he can show continued development in it. JuCo transfer Hill who brings a more athletic/physical aspect to the job, but will need to adapt fast. Hill I saw was recently named as the 13th best JuCo QBs in the nation and this site (not sure their source) gave him 3 stars. Other players ranked around him were going to Sun Belt or C-USA schools. Then there's Stitt's hand-picked freshman QB, Gresch Jensen who has had nothing but high praise from Andrew Selle and Bob Stitt. Could an RS Frosh come in and run with it? Brandon Bea as well throws a nice ball, he displayed that in fall camp. Kaegi a bit of a wild card to see if he's adapted and ready to compete.

Running back depth is unknown Will Tre Favors finally step up? Watch for Cody McCombs to make some noise. Younger backs in Martinez and Green were hurt this fall so we'll need to see what they can do. Stitt has shown he wants 2 to 3 backs he can rely on. Who will that be beyond Calhoun?

All 6 LBs from the 2-deep return This unit will presumably be the strength of the team. Depth can be leaned on a little more in 2017 I'd think.

I have no clue who our kicker will be I'd say Semenza if it weren't for his close-range meltdown as the season went on. Purdy looked good late but the team had to have Williams kick off and he couldn't get the ball to the endzone (however maybe that was the plan?)

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Per this wild guess the Griz would:

- Return 7 or 8 starters on offense (8 if you count Calhoun at RB)
- Return 7 to 9 starters on defense (Sandry & Sims both started 3 games, you could say we return 9)
- Have an average weight of 306 pounds on the O-line
- Return a whopping 88% of all receiving yards by receivers
- But... return just 1% of the total passing yards
- Return all top 3 tacklers (Buss, Strahm, Strong)
- And return 7 of the top 10 tacklers
- Return 45% of those that tallied sacks
- Return 67% of those that forced a turnover


Sorry don't have the time to carefully read the wall of text...

Question: Where exactly do you see the VERY GOOD talent returning?
 
GoldStandardGriz said:
alabamagrizzly said:
poorgriz said:
Biggest problem is QB. When's the last time you had a drop down or juco QB step in and be the man? Never happens for us either.
Craig Ochs
Drew Miller

Josh Swogger. Despite losing Hillard (a 1350 yard rusher the prior year) to injury in pre-season, led the team to a 12-2 record and the semi's. Only losses were Iowa and UMass (by 2 points).
 
poorgriz said:
Biggest problem is QB. When's the last time you had a drop down or juco QB step in and be the man? Never happens for us either.

Jack Rolovich led us to the quarterfinals in 2006. Last transfer to make any impact at QB for the Cats as Cody Kempt didn't exactly light the world on fire.
 
griz5700 said:
SoldierGriz said:
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
That JuCo list shows Hill as a pocket passer. Why would a pocket passer want to play in Stitts offense?
You can't possibly be serious?

This is one of the things that must be posted about every 2 weeks around here. Stint's offense is best run by a QB who makes reads and then executes FROM THE POCKET. So...they say.

Sorta what Stitt's offense is all about.... Not saying I agree, but that is HIS offense.

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!
 
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
SoldierGriz said:
griz5700 said:
You can't possibly be serious?

This is one of the things that must be posted about every 2 weeks around here. Stint's offense is best run by a QB who makes reads and then executes FROM THE POCKET. So...they say.

Sorta what Stitt's offense is all about.... Not saying I agree, but that is HIS offense.

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.
 
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
SoldierGriz said:
This is one of the things that must be posted about every 2 weeks around here. Stint's offense is best run by a QB who makes reads and then executes FROM THE POCKET. So...they say.

Sorta what Stitt's offense is all about.... Not saying I agree, but that is HIS offense.

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Stitt's quarterbacks averaged about 600 yards rushing while he was at Mines..
 
MrTitleist said:
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
Sorta what Stitt's offense is all about.... Not saying I agree, but that is HIS offense.

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Stitt's quarterbacks averaged about 600 yards rushing while he was at Mines..

He sure isn't emphasising speed when recruiting QBs.
 
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
SoldierGriz said:
This is one of the things that must be posted about every 2 weeks around here. Stint's offense is best run by a QB who makes reads and then executes FROM THE POCKET. So...they say.

Sorta what Stitt's offense is all about.... Not saying I agree, but that is HIS offense.

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.
 
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
Sorta what Stitt's offense is all about.... Not saying I agree, but that is HIS offense.

Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.

Oh right in high school.... Dude won't run against FCS defenses. I guarantee you.
 
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
griz5700 said:
grizcountry420 said:
Not having a dual threat QB in Stitts offense hurts this team. Look at Gus this year.. How many times did he actually keep the ball instead of giving it the RB when they ran that zone read option? He handed the RB the ball almost every time and the opposing team knew this. If we had a dual threat QB running this offense it would just add more wrinkles to our offense. Our offense was so predictable this year. Having a QB that can pass and run the ball would really make this offense go!

Not saying I disagree, I'm just being real - that is not Stitt's offense. Which is why you aren't seeing dual threat QBs being recruited. Gresch Jensen is not a dual threat QB btw.

Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.

Oh right in high school.... Dude won't run against FCS defenses. I guarantee you.

you sound like we play in the SEC.. :lol:
 
grizcountry420 said:
Get real.. Gresch Jensen ran for almost 1500 yards in 3 season. His sophmore and Junior year he had over 600 yds on the ground in each season. And he had 19td's on the ground.

It's almost like I said this on Maroon Blood two weeks ago, yet, he's still ignoring it.
 
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