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Derek Selvig: Help or Hindrance?

EverettGriz said:
PeauxRouge said:
ilovethecats said:
every team in the big sky would take selvig in a heartbeat. the guys does so many little things that people don't always see when they look at box scores. he has almost as many steals as jamar and steward. he leads you in blocks and rebounds. he has 77 assists on the year....only 20 less than cherry. he shoots the ball at a very high percentage and only trails jamar in 3-point percentage at a very good 43%. and that coach you guys have...the one that appears pretty good and will be coach of the year....he thinks selvig is good enough to get 30 minutes a game; only 3 less than cherry. and besides blocks, i didn't even TOUCH his defensive ability. he is very good in this area and can nearly guard anyone on the floor.

all in all he's a great player, and one that i'd take on the cats 10 out of 10 times.
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Sheesh, leave it to a cat fan to make a well thought out, rational post regarding Selving. Spot on.
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I know, right, PR? It's difficult to imagine anyone as intelligent as ILTC makings such a critical mistake in their life by choosing to attend MSU? 8-)
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i just have always really dug selvig. i also know he's still friends with some former cats and has a lot of respect for him. i know that he's a legacy, and i know that he's a "montana" kid. but i just never understand why so many are fixated on him. for the big sky conference, selvig is a very good player. let's remember, in this league, guys like lilliard and even cherry are the exception and not the rule. selvig was never going to be a guy that would just wow you with his game or a guy that would go in the record books. but he is a crafty defender, and a very good shooter. just because he's tall doesn't make him a center who needs to be in the post. those days are long gone.

he's a great big sky player. he's a huge reason why your griz team is so good. and despite being a griz, i have enjoyed watching him play and have a lot of respect for the guy.
 
New name, same bonehead posts.

If you would watch more than 1 game you would be able to see that Selvig is a HUGE help.
 
Derek is a very talented player, and great person. His problem is not being able to refine his game to be consistently great. His game is very up and down, and hard to know what to expect from him every game. It looks like the coaching staff has learned how to accept it, and his contributions are more good, than bad.

On the brightside, he is coming off a really bad performance, so he is due for a few good games now. Also, when Weisner made the back door bounce to Cherry, against Weber State, it got me to breathe a sign of relief. That was an absolutely beautiful pass, and similar to a Selvig pass. Weisner also played great defense, with a steal, and a few blocked shots. As a fan, that boosted my confidence for next season. I am sure those things boosted confidence in Weisner, the coaches, and team as well.

I am praying Weisner is ready like that rest this season.

As for Derek, I fully expect the difference maker Derek to show up in the BSC tournament.
 
Big time Help!!!

My sources tell me he was hungover after a six-way with five cheerleaders Monday night and was just phsyically spent :shock: . Can't say I blame him all that much....

In all reality though, I think he just had a bad night - also, credit Weber with an effective plan to limit him big time. They need to adjust so he can contribute more next time. Two quick (with one of them total BS) fouls didn't help him get into the groove early though....
 
He is what he is, and some of us understand what he is.....

My biggest problem with him is two-fold. He continues to want to put the ball on the floor when he is 20 feet from the basket. 7-footers should not be dribbling the ball away from the bucket, unless you are Dirk (and he is not).

Second, Selvig can be a very good 3-point shooter, if he would look to shoot-first-and-pass-second. But, he rarely does that. He loves to pass the ball, and is good at it for a big man. But, he is more valuable to the team if he looks to shoot the rock first. Let Cherry be the assist guy. He does not shoot with the kind of confidence that great shooters do. He needs to think he will make every shot he takes, but it is obvious that this is not his mind-set.

He is valuable to the team when he plays well, which seems to be about 2 out of 3 games. For some reason, if he does not score some early, he seems to lose confidence and disappears at times. Very streaky player, in my limited times seeing him live and on TV.
 
Growler brings up several good, and true, points (in fact, he nailed it). Although, I still like my explanation to Selvig's 'unconventional' performance Tuesday night :) . I still think Derek has several good games coming - I'd bet he's pissed about Tuesday's game even though the Griz won. The tournament will be fun to watch...
 
Growler1 said:
He is what he is, and some of us understand what he is.....

My biggest problem with him is two-fold. He continues to want to put the ball on the floor when he is 20 feet from the basket. 7-footers should not be dribbling the ball away from the bucket, unless you are Dirk (and he is not).

Second, Selvig can be a very good 3-point shooter, if he would look to shoot-first-and-pass-second. But, he rarely does that. He loves to pass the ball, and is good at it for a big man. But, he is more valuable to the team if he looks to shoot the rock first. Let Cherry be the assist guy. He does not shoot with the kind of confidence that great shooters do. He needs to think he will make every shot he takes, but it is obvious that this is not his mind-set.

He is valuable to the team when he plays well, which seems to be about 2 out of 3 games. For some reason, if he does not score some early, he seems to lose confidence and disappears at times. Very streaky player, in my limited times seeing him live and on TV.
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Except Cherry is not really THE assist guy. Its the one thing he doesnt utilize to much in his game, but that could be from the style of play. I have no problem with Selvig being an assist guy, in fact I think it helps create team movement much better. We are ranked 87th in the nation in team assists because of that style of play and Selvig, Jamar, Cherry and others utilize that offense very well with each of them getting good assists, it is a team effort.

If you used Cherry more so as an assist guy, then it may take away from his play making ability. In fact, as the year has gone on I have been seeming Jamar getting move on the "point" play....evidenced by his recent triple double and high assist totals. Next year I predict he will have more assists than Cherry even without Selvig.
 
Derek is what basketball has become, especially in Montana. Go to ANY high school game, and watch warm-ups. 90% of the shots taken in warm-ups are from the 3 point line. It is an obsession with young players. And it doesn't matter whether they are 6'10" or 5'10". Instead of practicing the shots they should be taking from their positions, they all just shoot the 3. I think Derek has been allowed to do this rather than learn a dominating inside game.

That said, I think he is definitely a huge HELP!!
 
Without a doubt Derek is a HELP. He is a matchup nightmare for any opposing team, and regardless of whether his game in on that night or not he provides great value and leadership for the Griz. He has been a stud and won plenty of games for the Griz this year, and we need him to play well this next week to be successful. The Griz would not have won the Big Sky title this year with out Derek. Let's enjoy, support and appreciate Derek as a Griz while we still can!

Go Griz!!!
 
grizpack said:
Derek is what basketball has become, especially in Montana. Go to ANY high school game, and watch warm-ups. 90% of the shots taken in warm-ups are from the 3 point line. It is an obsession with young players. And it doesn't matter whether they are 6'10" or 5'10". Instead of practicing the shots they should be taking from their positions, they all just shoot the 3.
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I think you're onto something here. I hadn't really thought about it until you mentioned it, but remembering back over recent years, I think you're absolutely right. Balls are flying all over the place from long-range bricks clanking off the rim. Hardly anyone is practicing short turnaround jumpers or other "repertoire" shots.

The only place you don't see that obsession is on the playground courts (where they seldom mark the 3-pt line anyway). There, you see much more of guys driving to the basket (but they don't often dish it off :mrgreen: ).

Edit: Not really addressing the Selvig issue here ... just found this an interesting observation in general.
 
Growler1 said:
He is what he is, and some of us understand what he is.....

My biggest problem with him is two-fold. He continues to want to put the ball on the floor when he is 20 feet from the basket. 7-footers should not be dribbling the ball away from the bucket, unless you are Dirk (and he is not).

Second, Selvig can be a very good 3-point shooter, if he would look to shoot-first-and-pass-second. But, he rarely does that. He loves to pass the ball, and is good at it for a big man. But, he is more valuable to the team if he looks to shoot the rock first. Let Cherry be the assist guy. He does not shoot with the kind of confidence that great shooters do. He needs to think he will make every shot he takes, but it is obvious that this is not his mind-set.

He is valuable to the team when he plays well, which seems to be about 2 out of 3 games. For some reason, if he does not score some early, he seems to lose confidence and disappears at times. Very streaky player, in my limited times seeing him live and on TV.
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Well put.

Watching him walk off the floor after his 2nd foul my buddy said "Selvig seems checked out today".. He was right. Good thing it didnt make a difference in the outcome, and hopefully he isnt checked out come Tues/Wed!
 
IMO the biggest problem with Selvig is the BSC officials at times appear to call offensive fouls on him for being taller than the other players, which limits his playing time and ability to get into the flow of the game. If the Griz make the NCAA tournament I don't think this will be a problem. Also it would help if he remembers to hold the ball up high and not at his waist when he is inside, but if his playing time is not limited by fouls he usually has a pretty good game.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
I think you're onto something here. I hadn't really thought about it until you mentioned it, but remembering back over recent years, I think you're absolutely right. Balls are flying all over the place from long-range bricks clanking off the rim. Hardly anyone is practicing short turnaround jumpers or other "repertoire" shots.
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You might be absolutely right about this, and could be wrong, but it got me thinking. My biggest pet peeve in basketball is the turnaround jumper in traffic. I hate that shot! No, it's even worse than hate.

I would rather have a guy square up 30 feet away from the basket than attempt a turnaround jumper in traffic. Seriously, does anybody have any stats on how many of those shots actually go down compared to 3-pointers?

:evil:
 
AllWeatherFan said:
IdaGriz01 said:
I think you're onto something here. I hadn't really thought about it until you mentioned it, but remembering back over recent years, I think you're absolutely right. Balls are flying all over the place from long-range bricks clanking off the rim. Hardly anyone is practicing short turnaround jumpers or other "repertoire" shots.
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You might be absolutely right about this, and could be wrong, but it got me thinking. My biggest pet peeve in basketball is the turnaround jumper in traffic. I hate that shot! No, it's even worse than hate.

I would rather have a guy square up 30 feet away from the basket than attempt a turnaround jumper in traffic. Seriously, does anybody have any stats on how many of those shots actually go down compared to 3-pointers?

:evil:
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Someone, somewhere, may have some stats on that, but it's not me.

I really just picked a random "repertoire" shot (not the 3-ptr) as an example. Now that we do have the 3-pointer, I think there really are only two good places for the turnaround jumper.

First, is if you're not in traffic -- then that should be a cripple shot. (Sadly, it isn't for lots of guys because they DON'T practice it.) If you are in traffic, then that means the defense has probably collapsed ... and you should kick it out to someone who's open for an uncontested trey.

Second, you could use the turnaround jumper if the main defender on you is in foul trouble, or is maybe a bit of a klutz on defense. I recall a game where I personally put three fouls on the opponent's "star" (he was just very tall) with that move. Five easy points, too (missed one FT).
 
We'll soon get a more unbiased assessment of Selvig's skills when the conference announces the members of the all-conference teams. I could be wrong, but my guess is that Selvig will be on the 2nd team. Maybe he'll slip to honorable mention. While he has his flaws, he no doubt makes the Griz stronger, and has contributed greatly to their success this season.

I think every other coach in the Big Sky would tell you they would love to have him, and that will be reflected in the all-Big Sky picks.

He shouldn't be mentioned at all on the all-conference teams, if his critics are right.

I think the league's coaches are better at assessing Selvig's talents than myself or other yahoos here on this board. So we'll soon see what they have to say.
 
Looks to me that there are only 2-3 people that have issues with his play, and thats mainly because the things he does are not typical for a 7 footer. I thought I heard or read somewhere that his style was developed for someone 5-6 inches shorter than he is, and that he was surprised himself that he grew those extra inches.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
I really just picked a random "repertoire" shot (not the 3-ptr) as an example. Now that we do have the 3-pointer, I think there really are only two good places for the turnaround jumper.

First, is if you're not in traffic -- then that should be a cripple shot. (Sadly, it isn't for lots of guys because they DON'T practice it.) If you are in traffic, then that means the defense has probably collapsed ... and you should kick it out to someone who's open for an uncontested trey.

Second, you could use the turnaround jumper if the main defender on you is in foul trouble, or is maybe a bit of a klutz on defense. I recall a game where I personally put three fouls on the opponent's "star" (he was just very tall) with that move. Five easy points, too (missed one FT).
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So it wasn't three "and ones?" See? :D
 
grizonbob hit the nail on the head.

Derek and Art are both 2nd Team All Big Sky Conference forwards.

Will - DPoY, Kareem and Will - 1st Team ABSC.

Congrats guys! :clap: :thumb:

When do they announce Coach Tinkle as Coach of the Year?
 
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