Delaney's 2 year head coaching record

[tnt]

Grizzoola: If we always do a national search ( a real one ) for president, coach, athletic director and determine the local person is the best candidate, so be it..no problem. The Engstrom hire was a backroom Dennison deal and you know it. I will never be convinced that we couldn't have found a more qualified person with a properly conducted national search. You comment that Engstrom has done so many good things at UM. Please be so kind and enlighten the less informed. I'm not aware of your background, but let's say that you have had executive hiring experience. Does Engstrom demonstrate strong leadership qualities? Is he a person that should be the CEO?

Yes and Yes. He had an incredible Run in South Dakota which is large part why he brought up here and groomed to be president so he could hit the ground running. His excellence plan was just that.

In the course of preparing it he cleaned up some "problems in faculty communcation and function caused by Foley that were about to implode. We had already lost several excellent faculty/ department heads etc because of foleys meddling and near dismanteling of the faculty senate. He took a business department that had not only lost major donors, and leadership, and restored those donors (to the tune of MILLIONS of dollars) and got them a ten year accreditation.

Despite PR's denial Foley was demoted from Dennisons "gun" to "press secretary" (a job he also screwed up) Dennison admits it took him 6 mos longer to replace his "cabinet" than he wanted because of the rape thing. JOD was going to be gone anyway, his ability as a fund raiser was no longer enough to cover his shortcomings as an administrator. He unfortunately had to let Pflu go too when the football team the focus of the rape crisis.

But then he fired a football coach without consulting with the boosters, so off with his head. If you TRULY believe that the first time the U knew they had compliance problems with the NCAA was Jan. 30, keep believing it.

 

[Growler1]

Grizzoola: If we always do a national search ( a real one ) for president, coach, athletic director and determine the local person is the best candidate, so be it..no problem. The Engstrom hire was a backroom Dennison deal and you know it. I will never be convinced that we couldn't have found a more qualified person with a properly conducted national search. You comment that Engstrom has done so many good things at UM. Please be so kind and enlighten the less informed. I'm not aware of your background, but let's say that you have had executive hiring experience. Does Engstrom demonstrate strong leadership qualities? Is he a person that should be the CEO?

Yes and Yes. He had an incredible Run in South Dakota which is large part why he brought up here and groomed to be president so he could hit the ground running. His excellence plan was just that.

In the course of preparing it he cleaned up some "problems in faculty communcation and function caused by Foley that were about to implode. We had already lost several excellent faculty/ department heads etc because of foleys meddling and near dismanteling of the faculty senate. He took a business department that had not only lost major donors, and leadership, and restored those donors (to the tune of MILLIONS of dollars) and got them a ten year accreditation.

Despite PR's denial Foley was demoted from Dennisons "gun" to "press secretary" (a job he also screwed up) Dennison admits it took him 6 mos longer to replace his "cabinet" than he wanted because of the rape thing. JOD was going to be gone anyway, his ability as a fund raiser was no longer enough to cover his shortcomings as an administrator. He unfortunately had to let Pflu go too when the football team the focus of the rape crisis.

But then he fired a football coach without consulting with the boosters, so off with his head. If you TRULY believe that the first time the U knew they had compliance problems with the NCAA was Jan. 30, keep believing it.

Your post is right on the money! These knuckleheads who think they know what is going on at UM strictly by reading this web site are beyond help. They myopic view of UM through the eyes of a Griz football fan is laughable.

 

[Growler1]

My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

If I have to explain it to you, then you shouldn't be asking the question. It should be very obvious with the happenings surrounding our football program since Hauck became head coach and O'day became AD.


Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

Why is there a need to hire outside "the family circle"? That circle has lead UM to be one of the winningest programs in the country.

If I have to explain it to you, then you shouldn't be asking the question. It should be very obvious with the happenings surrounding our football program since Hauck became head coach and O'day became AD. If winning is everything to you, then you will never get it, only the consequences.

 

[Silvertip]

"Intuition" Griz :?:... Bad screen handle. Without a brain there is no intuition...You might take two prozac before bedtime - but tomorrow morning you'll still be clueless. Inbred breeding makes as much sense for athletic programs as it does for cousins sharing the same bed. Wise up.

 

[BWahlberg]

If I have to explain it to you, then you shouldn't be asking the question. It should be very obvious with the happenings surrounding our football program since Hauck became head coach and O'day became AD.


Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

Why is there a need to hire outside "the family circle"? That circle has lead UM to be one of the winningest programs in the country.

If I have to explain it to you, then you shouldn't be asking the question. It should be very obvious with the happenings surrounding our football program since Hauck became head coach and O'day became AD. If winning is everything to you, then you will never get it, only the consequences.

Says the guy who for YEARS wanted Hauck fired simply because he didn't win games by a big enough margin.

I suppose we should keep in mind that when Delaney came here in 2008 he wasn't "in family" - in fact he was a former MSU coach and had never coached for the Griz before that. A detail worth pointing out.

Additionally his hire is not for the long-term, it's for stability, leadership, and the retention of recruits. In 18 months from now we'll be talking about his replacement and if it should come from within or be part of a national search - then the whining over "in house" hires can really begin.

Finally keep in mind the hiring of Robin Pflugrad, while he was a WRs coach for one year at the UM before his hire it was widely reported that Dave Doren was actually the 1st choice that was offered but O'Day was unable to get the pay level that Doren wanted. Doren did previously coach at the Griz but that would not have been an internal hire - he was at Wisconsin for over 9 years I believe.

All of these minor details bust up G1's argument... but hey - it's just the facts, how often do they really matter in discussions on here?

 

[Silvertip]

Nice try Brint, but the primary issue remains - that being to broaden any and every search to include superior candidates who may never have walked the Oval or heard the Main Hall clock toll the hour. If an existing staff member or former Griz proves to be the best candidate so be it - but if not - so be it as well. Make them compete. Unfortunately, GrizNation is heavily populated with provincial rustics who can't see beyond the Bitterroots and somebody with a silver and maroon pedigree.

 

[BWahlberg]

Nice try Brint, but the primary issue remains - that being to broaden any and every search to include superior candidates who may never have walked the Oval or heard the Main Hall clock toll the hour. If an existing staff member or former Griz proves to be the best candidate so be it - but if not - so be it as well. Make them compete. Unfortunately, GrizNation is heavily populated with provincial rustics who can't see beyond the Bitterroots and somebody with a silver and maroon pedigree.

But this hire was made for short-term stability of the program, it's recruits, the current staff, and current players. Waiting until the end of the season for a national search would have cost a lot of de-committed recruits and a totally wasted/effortless recruiting season for the upcoming year.

This hire wasn't made for the long-term outlook of the program, I just don't get how people don't see that.

 

[GrizDDS]

The extension also wasn't made so our 3 committed 2013 recruits can sleep a little better at night, I don't think. Didn't they all commit to UM while there was an interim coach anyway?

UM seemed to be in no rush to announce Pflugrad as head coach during the heart of the postseason recruiting chase a few years ago and he was right under their noses. I don't think the administration has recruits perceptions on their mind at all.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I do know the U of M received plenty of support for Delaney, from fans, contributors, and players.

In addition what coach would not be concerned about job security, beyond this coming football season? I am sure every coach wanted to have peace of mind, for themselves, families, and careers.

I also take this as a sign, there are many things up in the air, which will impact our GRIZ football, and athletics, for awhile. It would be hard to find a new coach, with a lingering investigations, in the works, no idea who the new AD will be, etc. To take even further, with so much in limbo, can the University even tell potential AD and coaching candidates, who will be our president, and vice president will be?

I am not insinuating, or know nothing of Engstrom's job security. I do know, there is a rather high number of people who want him replaced, too. Add the uncertain results of the investigations to this equation. What happens if the investigation determines some fault on Engstrom's part? That certainly would open doors to Engstrom's job needing filled again.

Seriously, how many quality outside coaches, and/or AD's going to commit to any program/school with so many uncertain factors? In my opinion, Delaney's extension made sense. It looks like GRIZNATION will be waiting awhile for the answers, all this turmoil has created. With the factors at hand, what other decision made more sense, for the good of the program, coaches, players, school, and fan base?

Suggestions anyone?

 

[Wildman 4]

If I have to explain it to you, then you shouldn't be asking the question. It should be very obvious with the happenings surrounding our football program since Hauck became head coach and O'day became AD.


Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

Why is there a need to hire outside "the family circle"? That circle has lead UM to be one of the winningest programs in the country.

If I have to explain it to you, then you shouldn't be asking the question. It should be very obvious with the happenings surrounding our football program since Hauck became head coach and O'day became AD. If winning is everything to you, then you will never get it, only the consequences.

Truer words were never spoken, Assclown

 

[garizzalies]

Finally keep in mind the hiring of Robin Pflugrad, while he was a WRs coach for one year at the UM before his hire it was widely reported that Dave Doren was actually the 1st choice that was offered but O'Day was unable to get the pay level that Doren wanted. Doren did previously coach at the Griz but that would not have been an internal hire - he was at Wisconsin for over 9 years I believe.

there always seems to be some connection between UM and the head coach candidates on the "list." its probably because UM is in the stix and, like any other position, its hard to convice the best talent to come out here, particularly at our pay grade. Butte is the perfect example. Most people that live here have some prior connection to it. its not for everyone so why else would you come?

but why is it that our two best coaches--papa bear and cowboy joe--did not really have a "connection" to UM?

 

[Spanky]

grizzalies....money is only one consideration when someone looks at moving to Montana for any opportunity. It is necessary to sell the candidate on the many positive factors of living and working in Montana. We must attempt to recruit the most qualified individual to be our coach, athletic director or president rather than taking the position..oh well, that person is the best we can get which has been the policy in the past.

 

[Zootown Rox]

The most important record for Delaney over the next 2 years will be 0 arrested players.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

"Intuition" Griz :?:... Bad screen handle. Without a brain there is no intuition...You might take two prozac before bedtime - but tomorrow morning you'll still be clueless. Inbred breeding makes as much sense for athletic programs as it does for cousins sharing the same bed. Wise up.

The saying goes, "Without Knowledge there is Ignorance."

Since everyone knows you are without knowedge, you are ignorant.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I can understand's Silvertips concerns, Delaney is not a "flashy" hire and giving him a contract through Jan 2014 is a gamble especially if the 2012 team goes into disarray on the field.

However I would counter with the concerns of what might've taken place if the school announced Mick would remain interim through the season and then hired a new coach during the winter;

- More de-commitments by this years incoming freshman class

- A fall of poor recruiting, the staff could not represent that they'll be there, recruits only assurance is that they'd be going to Montana. They'd be stepping into a program not knowing the coach or system.

- Transfers at the end of the semester or a post spring-camp purge of a few players

- Termination/dismissal of most assistant coaches

- System change, presumably

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That would probably have a tremendous negative impact on the team if it were to occur. This is the absolute worst-case scenario as a lot of this could not come to fruition as well.

"Flashy" is the last thing UM needs right now.

You shouldn't be concerned with Mr Ignorant, you should be concerned with what the players want and that is Delaney.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

He (Delaney) has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years?
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My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Scott Gragg is the current Assist Head Coach

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

One could argue that when an organization/system is dealt with turmoil and unrest it tends to react by falling back seeking the familiar, the comfortable and the traditional. More or less Mick Delaney offers this. He comes from that tradition of great Butte coaches (Jim Sweeney, Sonny Lubick, Sonny Holland, and Mick Dennehy) that offer a non-flashy, what you see is what you get old school approach. I think he is the right man at the right time. We need that "fatherly figure" that is long on character and committed to doing things the right way. Edit: I would add that right or wrong, I don't believe we would be as accepting or as trusting in a non-Montanan or a young and flashy coach taking over right now.

Stop it Ursa Major, you are making TOO MUCH SENSE :!: :!: :!:

:clap:

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Tip, you are mistaken in saying Delaney was given "an additional two years."

He had a one-season deal that has been expanded to a two-season deal -- to Jan of 2014.

It means nobody should be looking at 3 coaches in 3 seasons, provides some assurance for assistants and recruits,

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David2, your idea that being for Delaney means you're for Engstrom is bull crap.

Engstrom apparently had somebody explain to him that there is some value in a little bit of stability when the ship is rockin', rollin' and reelin'. let him go pick his four VIPs and hopefully a lawyer that's a bit brigher than the last guy.

No big deal Lakgriz, Tip is COMMONLY WRONG. He's not the brightest :idea:

 

[Skookum-Jim]

This string is priceless, silvertip was roasted for daring to question giving Delaney a 2 year extension. :lol:

 

[GrizzManFan]

I can understand's Silvertips concerns, Delaney is not a "flashy" hire and giving him a contract through Jan 2014 is a gamble especially if the 2012 team goes into disarray on the field.

However I would counter with the concerns of what might've taken place if the school announced Mick would remain interim through the season and then hired a new coach during the winter;

- More de-commitments by this years incoming freshman class

- A fall of poor recruiting, the staff could not represent that they'll be there, recruits only assurance is that they'd be going to Montana. They'd be stepping into a program not knowing the coach or system.

- Transfers at the end of the semester or a post spring-camp purge of a few players

- Termination/dismissal of most assistant coaches

- System change, presumably

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That would probably have a tremendous negative impact on the team if it were to occur. This is the absolute worst-case scenario as a lot of this could not come to fruition as well.

That could still happen at the end of the 2014 session.