Delaney's 2 year head coaching record

[kemajic]

He (Delaney) has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years?
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My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

You are right. A big part of the expectation for Mick is mentoring the excellent assistant coaching staff. Who would be better for this?

 

[Silvertip]

He (Delaney) has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years?
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My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

 

[grizindabox]

This hire was needed at this time to add stability to the program. How will it play out in the end, who knows.

If you are for Delaney, you are for Engstrom. Is it possible that Engstrom knows exactly what he's doing? Is it possible Engstrom knows exactly what is best for UM in all other matters, including the sex scandals? Is it possible he is not the idiot many of you think he is?

Grizzoola, totally disagree that being supportive of Delaney has an impact on how a person feels about Engstrom and his choices thus far.

 

[grizindabox]

He (Delaney) has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years?
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My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

Whether or not the best candidates exist outside the program, UM would struggle from a financial point to actually attract them. I feel part of this is also the fact that it is easier and cheaper to hire a guy that has direct ties to the program, a loyalty to the program.

 

[Growler1]

He (Delaney) has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years?
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My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

AGREED 100%! The in-breeding is one of the main reasons we are in the current NCAA situation. We hire only good ole boys who all are buddies. When you hire only buddies, there can be no tough discipline, no checks-n-balances, even when needed. Your boss needs to be just that, NOT one of your buddies. The relationship between O'Day (boss), and his head coaches (Hauck & Pflu) prevented him from administrating the role of AD as it should have been done.

We need to end this ridiculous practice of only hiring from within. New blood is not only a good thing, it is sorely needed here!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

"Internal versus external" is just stereotyping. It's more complicated than that, in case you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Spanky]

+1

 

[Spanky]

The +1 was for Growler and Silvertips comments......we need to hire a coach and athletic director from outside in a national search. Stop the closed door back room hiring in the manner that Dufus Engstrom was hired!!!!!!!!

 

[kemajic]

My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

AGREED 100%! The in-breeding is one of the main reasons we are in the current NCAA situation. We hire only good ole boys who all are buddies. When you hire only buddies, there can be no tough discipline, no checks-n-balances, even when needed. Your boss needs to be just that, NOT one of your buddies. The relationship between O'Day (boss), and his head coaches (Hauck & Pflu) prevented him from administrating the role of AD as it should have been done.

We need to end this ridiculous practice of only hiring from within. New blood is not only a good thing, it is sorely needed here!

Mick has spent 90% of his career somewhere other than UM. Rosenbach could hardly be called a UM good ole boy. He is likely to become a candidate to succeed Mick. By your logic you would prefer to hire Pat Kennedy over Larry Krystkowiak.

While I take some issue with your insistance regarding HC's of very successful programs, I was not pleased with the selection of JOD as AD. It was classic path of least resistance. I think your desire for experienced outside blood is more important in that position than in the HC positions. The HC's are consistently doing well, but leadership from the AD position leaves a lot to be desired. The position is handicapped by controlling presidents; this requires strong skills in upward management and fortitude, not the strongest suits of JOD. AD experience/success at another institution would be invaluable. Most depressing is a controlling president may not want a strong, creative AD, rather a loyal follower. And may not want to pay the price for excellence.

 

[grizindabox]

Under the current circumstances, I understand the move with MD. I do think it is important for UM to hire an AD from outside the good ol' boys network.

 

[kemajic]

The +1 was for Growler and Silvertips comments......we need to hire a coach and athletic director from outside in a national search. Stop the closed door back room hiring in the manner that Dufus Engstrom was hired!!!!!!!!

I don't know much about the process used when Engstrom was hired from South Dakota; do you? He was at UM only a short time before getting the President job.

 

[Ursa Major]

One could argue that when an organization/system is dealt with turmoil and unrest it tends to react by falling back seeking the familiar, the comfortable and the traditional. More or less Mick Delaney offers this. He comes from that tradition of great Butte coaches (Jim Sweeney, Sonny Lubick, Sonny Holland, and Mick Dennehy) that offer a non-flashy, what you see is what you get old school approach. I think he is the right man at the right time. We need that "fatherly figure" that is long on character and committed to doing things the right way.

Edit: I would add that right or wrong, I don't believe we would be as accepting or as trusting in a non-Montanan or a young and flashy coach taking over right now.

 

[OptimusPrime]

The last thing UM needed was an outside coach coming in, hiring MD was by far the best decision. The less turmoil, the better.
HOWEVA, I'll be very disappointed if they hire an AD from within, further proving the need to keep things "in the family," so no one else will know the bad things that possible could be there.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

In general, I agree that the next AD should come from outside the organization. However, no AD candidate worth his salt will take the job for less than a five-year commitment. The one thing everybody should have learned about employment contracts is that, once they expire, all bets are off.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The +1 was for Growler and Silvertips comments....

And I thought you had finally wised up!

 

[Growler1]

Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.

Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...

AGREED 100%! The in-breeding is one of the main reasons we are in the current NCAA situation. We hire only good ole boys who all are buddies. When you hire only buddies, there can be no tough discipline, no checks-n-balances, even when needed. Your boss needs to be just that, NOT one of your buddies. The relationship between O'Day (boss), and his head coaches (Hauck & Pflu) prevented him from administrating the role of AD as it should have been done.

We need to end this ridiculous practice of only hiring from within. New blood is not only a good thing, it is sorely needed here!

Mick has spent 90% of his career somewhere other than UM. Rosenbach could hardly be called a UM good ole boy. He is likely to become a candidate to succeed Mick. By your logic you would prefer to hire Pat Kennedy over Larry Krystkowiak.

While I take some issue with your insistance regarding HC's of very successful programs, I was not pleased with the selection of JOD as AD. It was classic path of least resistance. I think your desire for experienced outside blood is more important in that position than in the HC positions. The HC's are consistently doing well, but leadership from the AD position leaves a lot to be desired. The position is handicapped by controlling presidents; this requires strong skills in upward management and fortitude, not the strongest suits of JOD. AD experience/success at another institution would be invaluable. Most depressing is a controlling president may not want a strong, creative AD, rather a loyal follower. And may not want to pay the price for excellence.

Mick has spent 90% of his career somewhere other than UM. Rosenbach could hardly be called a UM good ole boy. He is likely to become a candidate to succeed Mick. By your logic you would prefer to hire Pat Kennedy over Larry Krystkowiak.

Don't use one outside hire (Kennedy) as an example. Every one of our head football coaches since Don Read had some connection to UM, as Delaney has. I would like to see a real national search to find the best possible candidate for the job. It is a big country out there, even though some of you think the only coach who can win at UM is from the state of Montana.

 

[Growler1]

In general, I agree that the next AD should come from outside the organization. However, no AD candidate worth his salt will take the job for less than a five-year commitment. The one thing everybody should have learned about employment contracts is that, once they expire, all bets are off.

I don't agree. Plenty of assistant ADs from big schools (ala Wayne Hogan) would jump at the chance to become the AD at UM, without a 5-year contract.

 

[Spanky]

Kem....my comments were regarding his promotion when they closed the interview process and took the easy way out by selecting Engstrom. All Weather....I also believe that we can recruit/hire a qualified AD outside the inner circle of UM. We will never know, unless we make the effort.

 

[LakGriz]

Tip, you are mistaken in saying Delaney was given "an additional two years."

He had a one-season deal that has been expanded to a two-season deal -- to Jan of 2014.

It means nobody should be looking at 3 coaches in 3 seasons, provides some assurance for assistants and recruits,

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David2, your idea that being for Delaney means you're for Engstrom is bull crap.

Engstrom apparently had somebody explain to him that there is some value in a little bit of stability when the ship is rockin', rollin' and reelin'. let him go pick his four VIPs and hopefully a lawyer that's a bit brigher than the last guy.

 

[Silvertip]

Many will remember when Don Read's brief AD tenure expired and Dennison executed his "national search." Five "final candidates" from larger FBS athletic departments were paraded into Missoula. But when it was all over George turned to the Adams Center to make an all too familiar, all too safe, comfortable pick from within the family - Jim O'Day. Expect to see still further evidence that Engstrom has learned his master's control lessons very well.