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Delaney's 2 year head coaching record

Spank is right on the choice of Engstrom.

The list of finalists kept shrinking (because it was looking like an inside job?) and candidates were dropping like flies. Engstrom was about the last man standing and they didn't re-open the search. Voila! we get Engstrom.

Was he the best candidate? Who knows? He was the only left.
 
I don't understand this board: Engstrom was an "inbred" president. Engstrom fired an inbred coach & AD. Engstrom hired an inbred Coach Delaney, who most of you think is the best thing since sliced bread. Where the hell are you guys? I agree that the hiring process for the new UM pres. was cosmetic. But, you have to know Dennison knew precisely what he was doing when he hired Engstrom as provost. Engstrom is not an inbred; he's an outsider, with substantial accomplishments at USD. Otherwise, he would not have been brought in.

That he has done some things you guys don't like re: football, remember that a university pres. has more to do than supervise football and the athletic dept. And, don't forget: He's the boss of UM athletics, including football. But, i digress. This guy is capable of bringing in far more research dollars than any others that I'm sure Dennison considered in hiring a provost.

The question for you is, Do you want a president solely occupied with the football team, or a president who has the total welfare of UM in mind? You simply cannot equate the success of UM with the success of the football team. If you do, you're wagging the dog with the tail. I don't mean to make this an either/or discussion, but many of you do.

I'm not saying Engstrom doesn't care about UM intercollegiate competition. All I'm saying is that he's putting intercollegiate competition in its true light, which the football program, and guys like you, has seriously and dangerously skewed to the tail of the dog.

Inbreeding of UM administration and of the athletic dept. is moot, far as I'm concerned. In fact, I'll say that the tradition of hiring football coaches and ADs with long-time UM connections has been pretty damned well successful over the past 25 years. I really don't know why this has to be an issue, now. I'll bet even the Ohio States, Floridas, etc., do the same thing.

I'd say, in hiring a HC or an AD, that all things equal, hire the guy/gal that has previous experience w/ UM. Yes, the Cats hired Rob Ash, an outsider, and he has rebuilt that program. That program needed that. I do not believe an outside AD will solve any problems, altho if UM hires an outsider, I would not be opposed. I said, ALL THINGS EQUAL Do not put an inbred above an outsider if all things are NOT equal.

Nothing on this board was questioning JOD because he was inbred before he was fired. Everyone on this board was completely happy while JOD was running the show. Now, suddenly, the next AD should NOT be an inbred? What the hell does that have to do with anything?

All I'm saying is hire the best AD and HC, and if UM experience is preferable, then that should be a position announcement, to be fair to prospective applicants.

But, you guys have a serious problem: You approve of Coach Delaney, an inbred, but at the same time complain about hiring inbreds.
 
Silvertip said:
Montana -Western 1991 (3-5) and 1992 (2-6-1) Last place in Frontier Conference both seasons...but he's a really nice guy and the whole team and everybody else likes him, and...and...

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Maybe this is why you hire an AD first...and keep coaching hires out of a clueless Main Hall :?:
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You are the most ignorant person on here, and...and... :laugh: :foot: :lame:
 
Is this Grizzoola or SilverTip?

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Silvertip said:
So,the apologists are at Ol' Tip's door with torches and pitchforks...Funny, if not so pathetic.
Look, if you are naive enough to believe that a recently-retired septegenarian without a winning HC season to his name is going to keep Griz football afloat then I have Colstrip beach property you might like to buy. Mick's success has been strictly as a position coach. That's waay waay different from being a head coach who is basically an administrator - someone whose qualifications include something far more tangible that being an all around neat guy who won't let errant players sully the school's reputation. He has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years? Because the president is a creature of expediency - taking the path of least resistance - like water running down hill - perpetuating the tried and true method of his predecessor. That being hiring only people you know - and can control. Forget qualified outsiders who might bring something new - and better - to the job.

And you can skip the lame efforts to compare Mick with Don Read. Don knew how to develop a staff and whatever you might wish to make of his pre-UM record, it was against the like of USC, UCLA etc., not MT Tech, Rocky and Carroll. At least Bob Green would have been an amusing coach if not a winning one.
My alma mater, a school I love and support financially, is going to have to do so with an athletic program that is in serious peril because too many people for far too long have thought that second rate committment and effort is plenty good enough. As you sow so shall you reap. As a result "The Griz Golden Years" are very likely in the past - and not in the present or the future - unless there is a major attitude change in direction and leadership. To those of you who can't deal with dissent, criticism - or reality - mine or anybody elses - get used to it. There's a whole lot more to come as suggested by the wave of recent Missoulian readers vigorously questioning Delaney's extended contract - and the increasingly bizarre president who gave it.
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F-u-c-k you are stupid and UNINFORMED :!:

Mick has been the Assistant Head Coach (Administrator) for the past 4 years at UM, NOT JUST A POSTION COACH.

Get a clue sunshine, and some anti-depressents as well.
 
Egriz, do you listen to the King of Krankiness (Silvertip), or do you listen to returning 1st Team All BSC returnee (Greg Hardy) that says, " I can't be anymore more esctatic" referring to Mick's contract? No brainer.
 
Silvertip said:
grizindabox said:
Silvertip said:
Silvertip said:
He (Delaney) has a new two-year contract to do what? Develop and grow the program? Engstrom already had him locked though the 2012 season providing reasonable time to do a thoughtful search for an ambitious young coach. Why then does he rush into extending the relationship an additional two years?
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My post did not take issue with the interim hire, but I do believe that the additional two years only defers the inevitable - a fresh start with a competent staff that hopefully will be around for something longer than two seasons. If nothing else, the door to an extension could have been left open with the opportunity to gauge Mick's performance - and continuing interest.
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Tip, your mistake is thinking that UM would be looking for an outsider to be the next head coach. I believe this move was not only to add stability to the program, but to give any possible head coach candidates currently on the staff a couple more years to get ready.
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Why can't UM overcome its chronic myopia to consider that the best candidate may actually exist outside the family circle? That would be something new...
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Why is there a need to hire outside "the family circle"? That circle has lead UM to be one of the winningest programs in the country.
 
Grizzoola: If we always do a national search ( a real one ) for president, coach, athletic director and determine the local person is the best candidate, so be it..no problem. The Engstrom hire was a backroom Dennison deal and you know it. I will never be convinced that we couldn't have found a more qualified person with a properly conducted national search. You comment that Engstrom has done so many good things at UM. Please be so kind and enlighten the less informed. I'm not aware of your background, but let's say that you have had executive hiring experience. Does Engstrom demonstrate strong leadership qualities? Is he a person that should be the CEO?
 
IntuitiveGriz said:
Why is there a need to hire outside "the family circle"? That circle has lead UM to be one of the winningest programs in the country.
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yeah but couldn't the arguement be made that that circle has lead to the biggest investigation in FCS history?
 
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