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Defensive Scheme

Merry Christmas everyone. Haslam is probably not monitoring Egriz or listening to Schmidt rage tonight so I don't think any decisions will be made until after Christmas. I'm sure he closely monitoring both.
 
Missoula223 said:
I may get raked over the coals for this. For the record, I called defenses for 14 years at the college level. 11 of which were 4 down. 3 of which were 3 down. Whether the Griz were 3 or 4 down in the game is, in my not so professional opinion, couldn’t be more irrelevant.

Couple generic notes: Playing a 5-0-5 (3 down front) vs a 3 or 4 man surface is silly without a tight overhang/rush. I haven’t watched enough film to know how often the grizzlies do that, or if they ever do.

Usually in 3 down (unless you are a tight front team, which the grizzlies are not) you rush a 4th to get to some type of 4 man push anyway, whether it be over, under, even, TE based, RB based etc.

The calls for 4-3 or 3-4 are silly vs 11 personnel, again in my not so professional opinion. Vs. 12 personnel or heavier sets, they are valid, but I would still disagree because you are in trouble when matched up vs slot sets.

I’m not saying game plans don’t contribute giving up points, but to me the front/structure stuff are fallacies. Execution, players not plays, and play calling in that order — are the reason teams give up points on defense, and in that order!!
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I love this stuff, and we absolutely need a real college coach to break some of this down and clear up our confusion. I have a few questions that maybe you or someone can help answer.

I understand that the griz defense is complex, and since we only have access to what we see on TV, I have some assumptions, but I'm not sure if they are correct. If the opposing offense is in 11 personnel, the griz 3-3 usually lines up in an over front with the will LB having the edge responsibility. Also, either the nickel or the SS is in the box for extra run support and underneath coverage. Are those general assumptions correct? Again, I’m only talking base defense against 11 personnel.

Also, it seems that the griz defense plays 2 gap on the interior and the LBs play scrape. Is this correct in general? This leaves them vulnerable early in games to the zone reads, plus one running that the cats do all the time. It then leaves the hybrid players vulnerable late in games to big physical olinemen and the 12 personnel.

If Hauck insists on recruiting the best athlete available hybrid players, should he change the scheme a little? He could run the 3-3, 4-3 or 4-2, but instead of trying to 2 gap the interior DL and scrape the LBs he could line up in the stack front and slide the DL players into left or right gaps with the idea of deep penetration every play. The LBs have actual gap responsibility instead. It’s a very disruptive style of defense and works well with quicker players.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
Did I say it was a recipe for disaster? Uh no, I did not. I said it was not a recipe for long term success. The griz have obviously done well in the portal. We will agree to disagre here. To argue that the cats haven't won the in state recruiting battle in the last few years and that it didn't contribute to the outcome of this game is also something we can disagree about.
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Okay, but you said this. Close enough in my book: "That is not a recipe for long term sustained success." Portal recruiting is a recipe for long-term success.
 
5280Griz said:
I think the age of the coaches is a real problem. The average age of our staff is like 60 and the youngest is Justin Green at 43? Recruiting is a young man’s game. Guys in their 20s and 30s can relate to teenagers better than 43 plus year olds can.
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Technically Mike Linehan is the youngest coach on staff. And we’d probably all want somebody a little more seasoned coaching the dline.
 
HikeGlacier said:
Laughable. You mean if the Cat coaches hadn't made player evaluation decisions that benefited them, the Griz would have won? They have won 8 of the last 10 because they make better decisions.
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Do you think the Cats would have won without Lamson? Just answer the question. Yes, good on the Cats. Lamson had a very nice season. Just not as good as Ah Yat and wasn't first team all-conference.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Do you think the Cats would have won without Lamson? Just answer the question. Yes, good on the Cats. Lamson had a very nice season. Just not as good as Ah Yat and wasn't first team all-conference.
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You would have to ask someone who knows whoever the Cats backup qb is
 
mthoopsfan said:
Do you think the Cats would have won without Lamson? Just answer the question. Yes, good on the Cats. Lamson had a very nice season. Just not as good as Ah Yat and wasn't first team all-conference.
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Lamson was the best QB on the field in both Griz games. They win neither without him.
 
Znelson15 said:
Everyone always says oh my we had gubner and yes he was all world and helped the d do its thing but that whole run was Bergen on special teams, people forget are defense wasn't all worldly and stopped Furman or ndsu to win the game instead it went overtime and at those time Bergen scored

We won't win with a 3-3-5, no one ever has

We need to reset and change it up, you know what I like!!! A bobcats defense that just stays at home everyone keeps everything in front of them and they don't have to do crazy blitzes try to throw the offense off, just good old defensive football "Nick Saban style"
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Doesn't Georgia use a 335?
 
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