Defensive scheme

[MTGRZ]

Is this close to what the Griz run as a base defense? Just curious and thought it could lend itself to a great opportunity to explain the defense to us that don't have the in-depth knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2OyihSDK1g

 

[go96griz]

Our base defense is the 3-3-5. It is good against the spread but not the best matchup against a power running team such as NDSU. It includes 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–3–5_defense

 

[MTGRZ]

Our base defense is the 3-3-5. It is good against the spread but not the best matchup against a power running team such as NDSU. It includes 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–3–5_defense

Thanks! Why do we have this base defense? Is it based more from the players we have or more from the scheme the DC wants to run regardless of the players? Does the DC and HC assume most teams want to run a spread offense? Seems to me we were burned by teams with solid running backs last year.

 

[uofmman1122]

Our base defense is the 3-3-5. It is good against the spread but not the best matchup against a power running team such as NDSU. It includes 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–3–5_defense

Thanks! Why do we have this base defense? Is it based more from the players we have or more from the scheme the DC wants to run regardless of the players? Does the DC and HC assume most teams want to run a spread offense? Seems to me we were burned by teams with solid running backs last year.

Actually, our pass defense was our major flaw last year. We were 3rd in Rushing Defense and 8th in Passing Defense in the conference.

I'm in a stats-hunting mood, so here are some fun stats about our D last season!

One interesting thing I found was how we performed in pass and rush defense compared to our opponents' averages for both. For example, UNI averaged 133.6 yards per game rushing last season, and we held them to 104 yards, a difference of -29.6 yards (Negative numbers are good in this case). They averaged 213.5 yards passing, and only gained 164 yards against us, a difference of -49.5 yards. You may have noticed some flaws in extrapolating too much from this simple metric, but bear with me here because it gets interesting.

For the season, we held all of our opponents to an average of 3.26 rushing yards under their average, with almost no discernible difference between when we won (-3.03) and when we lost (-3.54), and as you can see, we actually held them to a lower average in our losses than in our wins.

Passing numbers are where we start to see things get illuminated a little. For the season, our opponents averaged 24.9 yards passing over their season average when they played us. The big difference came when you look at the wins (7.45 yards over) vs. the losses (45.8 yards over). Even though we held three teams that beat us (WIU, PSU, and MSU) under their season average for rushing, in all five losses the opponent beat their season average, the worst of which was WIU torching us for 360 yards, 88 yards higher than their average.

I'm not saying we did great in our rush defense. Sac State, Cal Poly, UND, and Bozeman State all crunched us pretty badly on the ground, but it sure seems from this that pass defense was a much bigger problem when it came to wins slipping away.

Just some things to think about!

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Our base defense is the 3-3-5. It is good against the spread but not the best matchup against a power running team such as NDSU. It includes 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–3–5_defense

Thanks! Why do we have this base defense? Is it based more from the players we have or more from the scheme the DC wants to run regardless of the players? Does the DC and HC assume most teams want to run a spread offense? Seems to me we were burned by teams with solid running backs last year.

Actually, our pass defense was our major flaw last year. We were 3rd in Rushing Defense and 8th in Passing Defense in the conference.

I'm in a stats-hunting mood, so here are some fun stats about our D last season!

One interesting thing I found was how we performed in pass and rush defense compared to our opponents' averages for both. For example, UNI averaged 133.6 yards per game rushing last season, and we held them to 104 yards, a difference of -29.6 yards (Negative numbers are good in this case). They averaged 213.5 yards passing, and only gained 164 yards against us, a difference of -49.5 yards. You may have noticed some flaws in extrapolating too much from this simple metric, but bear with me here because it gets interesting.

For the season, we held all of our opponents to an average of 3.26 rushing yards under their average, with almost no discernible difference between when we won (-3.03) and when we lost (-3.54), and as you can see, we actually held them to a lower average in our losses than in our wins.

Passing numbers are where we start to see things get illuminated a little. For the season, our opponents averaged 24.9 yards passing over their season average when they played us. The big difference came when you look at the wins (7.45 yards over) vs. the losses (45.8 yards over). Even though we held three teams that beat us (WIU, PSU, and MSU) under their season average for rushing, in all five losses the opponent beat their season average, the worst of which was WIU torching us for 360 yards, 88 yards higher than their average.

I'm not saying we did great in our rush defense. Sac State, Cal Poly, UND, and Bozeman State all crunched us pretty badly on the ground, but it sure seems from this that pass defense was a much bigger problem when it came to wins slipping away.

Just some things to think about!

That’s good stuff their man. Coach needs to go get us about 3 more Trumaine Johnson’s.

 

[SaskGriz]

Our base defense is the 3-3-5. It is good against the spread but not the best matchup against a power running team such as NDSU. It includes 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–3–5_defense

Thanks! Why do we have this base defense? Is it based more from the players we have or more from the scheme the DC wants to run regardless of the players? Does the DC and HC assume most teams want to run a spread offense? Seems to me we were burned by teams with solid running backs last year.

Actually, our pass defense was our major flaw last year. We were 3rd in Rushing Defense and 8th in Passing Defense in the conference.

I'm in a stats-hunting mood, so here are some fun stats about our D last season!

One interesting thing I found was how we performed in pass and rush defense compared to our opponents' averages for both. For example, UNI averaged 133.6 yards per game rushing last season, and we held them to 104 yards, a difference of -29.6 yards (Negative numbers are good in this case). They averaged 213.5 yards passing, and only gained 164 yards against us, a difference of -49.5 yards. You may have noticed some flaws in extrapolating too much from this simple metric, but bear with me here because it gets interesting.

For the season, we held all of our opponents to an average of 3.26 rushing yards under their average, with almost no discernible difference between when we won (-3.03) and when we lost (-3.54), and as you can see, we actually held them to a lower average in our losses than in our wins.

Passing numbers are where we start to see things get illuminated a little. For the season, our opponents averaged 24.9 yards passing over their season average when they played us. The big difference came when you look at the wins (7.45 yards over) vs. the losses (45.8 yards over). Even though we held three teams that beat us (WIU, PSU, and MSU) under their season average for rushing, in all five losses the opponent beat their season average, the worst of which was WIU torching us for 360 yards, 88 yards higher than their average.

I'm not saying we did great in our rush defense. Sac State, Cal Poly, UND, and Bozeman State all crunched us pretty badly on the ground, but it sure seems from this that pass defense was a much bigger problem when it came to wins slipping away.

Just some things to think about!

That’s good stuff their man. Coach needs to go get us about 3 more Trumaine Johnson’s.

Great write up. Like you mentioned all stats are from a combination of factors and simple metrics can be viewed from a number of ways. The passing stats were also affected by lack of pressure from the d-line meaning pass coverage had to hold up for longer periods of time.

The way the Griz play their base 3-3-5 is really more of a 4-2-1-4, with a stand up rush end and any one of the 3 safeties playing a hybrid LB/DB role. Which of the three was often dictated by the opponents alighnment, down and distance, or simply which side the play was run to.

Almost no 3 man front can get pressure, which is why we play with a rush end. With the Griz being often unable to "get home" with 4 we often sent Buss, Olson, or a safety. Against spread offences like we see all over these days but especially in the Big Sky it means that we are man to man with not much safety help or in very soft zones. If the QB has time to "count Mississippis" no coverage in the world is going to stop them.

 

[IdaGriz01]

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Almost no 3 man front can get pressure, which is why we play with a rush end. With the Griz being often unable to "get home" with 4 we often sent Buss, Olson, or a safety. Against spread offences like we see all over these days but especially in the Big Sky it means that we are man to man with not much safety help or in very soft zones. If the QB has time to "count Mississippis" no coverage in the world is going to stop them.

It has always puzzled me why some teams -- NFL as well as college -- do not seem to "get" the need to put pressure on the QB. Unless the QB is totally inept or his receivers are absolute crap ... someone will get open, given enough time.

 

[MTGRZ]

Our base defense is the 3-3-5. It is good against the spread but not the best matchup against a power running team such as NDSU. It includes 3 down lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3–3–5_defense

Thanks! Why do we have this base defense? Is it based more from the players we have or more from the scheme the DC wants to run regardless of the players? Does the DC and HC assume most teams want to run a spread offense? Seems to me we were burned by teams with solid running backs last year.

Actually, our pass defense was our major flaw last year. We were 3rd in Rushing Defense and 8th in Passing Defense in the conference.

I'm in a stats-hunting mood, so here are some fun stats about our D last season!

One interesting thing I found was how we performed in pass and rush defense compared to our opponents' averages for both. For example, UNI averaged 133.6 yards per game rushing last season, and we held them to 104 yards, a difference of -29.6 yards (Negative numbers are good in this case). They averaged 213.5 yards passing, and only gained 164 yards against us, a difference of -49.5 yards. You may have noticed some flaws in extrapolating too much from this simple metric, but bear with me here because it gets interesting.

For the season, we held all of our opponents to an average of 3.26 rushing yards under their average, with almost no discernible difference between when we won (-3.03) and when we lost (-3.54), and as you can see, we actually held them to a lower average in our losses than in our wins.

Passing numbers are where we start to see things get illuminated a little. For the season, our opponents averaged 24.9 yards passing over their season average when they played us. The big difference came when you look at the wins (7.45 yards over) vs. the losses (45.8 yards over). Even though we held three teams that beat us (WIU, PSU, and MSU) under their season average for rushing, in all five losses the opponent beat their season average, the worst of which was WIU torching us for 360 yards, 88 yards higher than their average.

I'm not saying we did great in our rush defense. Sac State, Cal Poly, UND, and Bozeman State all crunched us pretty badly on the ground, but it sure seems from this that pass defense was a much bigger problem when it came to wins slipping away.

Just some things to think about!

Thanks! So would it be fair to say increased pressure on the QB would be the most critical improvement the defense can make this year? As stated above by other posters, DBs are torched when any QB has the time to get the ball out. Fair assumption that we need an edge rush, no?

As far as schemes, this edge rusher is a "hybrid"? Or a LB?

Thanks for the great info and honest, on topic responses to a football related question!

 

[AZGrizFan]

A more important metric might be comparing our D statistics over the first three quarters of games and see how those compare to the 4th quarter of games.

 

[wbtfg]

Griz run the San Diego State Aztec Defense.

here you go:

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/7/5/15893384/the-aztec-defender-san-diego-state-rocky-long-3-3-5

 

[MTGRZ]

Griz run the San Diego State Aztec Defense.

here you go:

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/7/5/15893384/the-aztec-defender-san-diego-state-rocky-long-3-3-5

Thanks. Now make like a tree, and get the f%#@ outta here ya stinky cat!

But really, thanks for the link.

 

[uofmman1122]

A more important metric might be comparing our D statistics over the first three quarters of games and see how those compare to the 4th quarter of games.

If I have time, I'll look into that tonight.

 

[wbtfg]

Griz run the San Diego State Aztec Defense.

here you go:

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/7/5/15893384/the-aztec-defender-san-diego-state-rocky-long-3-3-5

Thanks. Now make like a tree, and get the f%#@ outta here ya stinky cat!

But really, thanks for the link.

I tried to find a resource with more pictures and fewer words; and that link was the best I could do. Hopefully you guys are able to sound out the mulit-syllable words.

You're welcome.

 

[MTGRZ]

Griz run the San Diego State Aztec Defense.

here you go:

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/7/5/15893384/the-aztec-defender-san-diego-state-rocky-long-3-3-5

Thanks. Now make like a tree, and get the f%#@ outta here ya stinky cat!

But really, thanks for the link.

I tried to find a resource with more pictures and fewer words; and that link was the best I could do. Hopefully you guys are able to sound out the mulit-syllable words.

You're welcome.

It's, "multisyllabic." Nice try though! I'm sure you feel pretty good about yourself with that post-and you should! Nobody expects much from you. Solid "B" effort!

 

[EverettGriz]

Griz run the San Diego State Aztec Defense.

here you go:

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/7/5/15893384/the-aztec-defender-san-diego-state-rocky-long-3-3-5

Thanks. Now make like a tree, and get the f%#@ outta here ya stinky cat!

But really, thanks for the link.

I tried to find a resource with more pictures and fewer words; and that link was the best I could do. Hopefully you guys are able to sound out the mulit-syllable words.

You're welcome.

I chuckled.

 

[Missoula223]

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Almost no 3 man front can get pressure, which is why we play with a rush end. With the Griz being often unable to "get home" with 4 we often sent Buss, Olson, or a safety. Against spread offences like we see all over these days but especially in the Big Sky it means that we are man to man with not much safety help or in very soft zones. If the QB has time to "count Mississippis" no coverage in the world is going to stop them.

It has always puzzled me why some teams -- NFL as well as college -- do not seem to "get" the need to put pressure on the QB. Unless the QB is totally inept or his receivers are absolute crap ... someone will get open, given enough time.

I think this is extremely ignorant. I don’t think there’s a decent coach in the world that wouldn’t say it’s important to get pressure on the QB. Sometimes a team can do it with 3 and other it takes a 7 man rush. It also depends on who is rushing the passer. There’s a lot more that goes Into it than that.

 

[IdaGriz01]

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Almost no 3 man front can get pressure, which is why we play with a rush end. With the Griz being often unable to "get home" with 4 we often sent Buss, Olson, or a safety. Against spread offences like we see all over these days but especially in the Big Sky it means that we are man to man with not much safety help or in very soft zones. If the QB has time to "count Mississippis" no coverage in the world is going to stop them.

It has always puzzled me why some teams -- NFL as well as college -- do not seem to "get" the need to put pressure on the QB. Unless the QB is totally inept or his receivers are absolute crap ... someone will get open, given enough time.

I think this is extremely ignorant. I don’t think there’s a decent coach in the world that wouldn’t say it’s important to get pressure on the QB. Sometimes a team can do it with 3 and other it takes a 7 man rush. It also depends on who is rushing the passer. There’s a lot more that goes Into it than that.

What's with the insults, yet?

Not questioning the "say it's important" aspect. Sure, any halfway decent coach "says" it's important. It's the "doing" part that's lacking ... in a surprising number of cases, IMO. Watch "any given Sunday" in the NFL and you'll see teams that seem unwilling to commit the resources needed to make the QB uncomfortable back there.

 

[Missoula223]

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Almost no 3 man front can get pressure, which is why we play with a rush end. With the Griz being often unable to "get home" with 4 we often sent Buss, Olson, or a safety. Against spread offences like we see all over these days but especially in the Big Sky it means that we are man to man with not much safety help or in very soft zones. If the QB has time to "count Mississippis" no coverage in the world is going to stop them.

It has always puzzled me why some teams -- NFL as well as college -- do not seem to "get" the need to put pressure on the QB. Unless the QB is totally inept or his receivers are absolute crap ... someone will get open, given enough time.

I think this is extremely ignorant. I don’t think there’s a decent coach in the world that wouldn’t say it’s important to get pressure on the QB. Sometimes a team can do it with 3 and other it takes a 7 man rush. It also depends on who is rushing the passer. There’s a lot more that goes Into it than that.

What's with the insults, yet?

Not questioning the "say it's important" aspect. Sure, any halfway decent coach "says" it's important. It's the "doing" part that's lacking ... in a surprising number of cases, IMO. Watch "any given Sunday" in the NFL and you'll see teams that seem unwilling to commit the resources needed to make the QB uncomfortable back there.

Honestly responding to what I took as an insult to coaches across the board. You don't think coaches try to pressure QBs? And what do you mean they're unwilling to commit resources to make him uncomfortable?

First of all pass rushing is damn near a God given talent. You can coach technique to make individuals better but you can't take a jimmy and make them a joe at pass rushing. It just doesn't happen.

I'll assume you meant they won't bring pressure when you say "unwilling to commit resources." What do they play behind the blitz? Man? What if you don't like a matchup somewhere which high level QBs will no doubt find? Want to play zone behind it? 5 man pressures with zone usually mean 3 deep 3 under zone concepts. In those cases there are a lot of holes across an entire field with only 3 people trying to guard deep zones and 3 trying to guard under all the underneath zones.

Wasn't trying to be a dick, I just thought it was an ignorant post. Every coach "gets the need to pressure the QB."