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Defensive Delay Of Game

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In the second half, SDSU was in the red zone lining up to score a short TD to cut into the Griz lead. Our defensive line all shifted together to their right and it drew the SDSU offensive line off sides. It would be a massive penalty to move The Rabbits back 5 yards. After discussion, the refs call a defensive delay of game against the Griz.
Can anyone explain what that penalty is?
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In the second half, SDSU was in the red zone lining up to score a short TD to cut into the Griz lead. Our defensive line all shifted together to their right and it drew the SDSU offensive line off sides. It would be a massive penalty to move The Rabbits back 5 yards. After discussion, the refs call a defensive delay of game against the Griz.
Can anyone explain what that penalty is?
Go Griz!
I am no expert, but I think I have seen that call in the past when the defense was found to be either mimicking or interfering with the offensive play calling. IE, the snap count etc.
 
In the second half, SDSU was in the red zone lining up to score a short TD to cut into the Griz lead. Our defensive line all shifted together to their right and it drew the SDSU offensive line off sides. It would be a massive penalty to move The Rabbits back 5 yards. After discussion, the refs call a defensive delay of game against the Griz.
Can anyone explain what that penalty is?
Go Griz!
It's called when in the official's mind, something was done by the defense to "simulate the snap". This can be an audible "hut" or a clap, but more often is some movement which is not considered to be a normal defensive player movement. NFL defenses are taught to do this all the time, because the risk/reward is great: if they do call false start, the offense loses five yards; if they call delay of game, the offense gets six inches.

My guess is the defense was told by the staff to try it.
 
In the second half, SDSU was in the red zone lining up to score a short TD to cut into the Griz lead. Our defensive line all shifted together to their right and it drew the SDSU offensive line off sides. It would be a massive penalty to move The Rabbits back 5 yards. After discussion, the refs call a defensive delay of game against the Griz.
Can anyone explain what that penalty is?
Go Griz!
It’s the correct call it just hasn’t been called all year.

Team Pre-Snap Movement
Any defensive team player within one yard of the line of scrimmage (stationary or not) may not make quick and abrupt or exaggerated actions that simulate action at the snap and are not part of normal defensive player movement in an obvious attempt to make the offense foul. This will continue as a point of emphasis in the game. The offense will be held to the same standard as any pre-snap movement that simulates action at the snap is a foul on the offense for a false start.
 
It’s the correct call it just hasn’t been called all year.

Team Pre-Snap Movement
Any defensive team player within one yard of the line of scrimmage (stationary or not) may not make quick and abrupt or exaggerated actions that simulate action at the snap and are not part of normal defensive player movement in an obvious attempt to make the offense foul. This will continue as a point of emphasis in the game. The offense will be held to the same standard as any pre-snap movement that simulates action at the snap is a foul on the offense for a false start.
But still allowed to shift. I’m assuming someone thrust their arm forward instead of sideways.
 
It’s the correct call it just hasn’t been called all year.

Team Pre-Snap Movement
Any defensive team player within one yard of the line of scrimmage (stationary or not) may not make quick and abrupt or exaggerated actions that simulate action at the snap and are not part of normal defensive player movement in an obvious attempt to make the offense foul. This will continue as a point of emphasis in the game. The offense will be held to the same standard as any pre-snap movement that simulates action at the snap is a foul on the offense for a false start.
It was not a correct call. I am aware of the rule change. Nothing mentioned in the rule occurred. It’s my understanding that the DL can still shift before the snap. That occurs in many plays. The whole DL shifted to the right. That is allowed. The DL doesn’t know when the snap will occur. They are allowed to shift. Shifting as a group does not simulate the start of action. It’s a normal defensive movement.

Feel free to point out anything that violates the rule and quote that part of the rule.
 
It was not a correct call. I am aware of the rule change. Nothing mentioned in the rule occurred. It’s my understanding that the DL can still shift before the snap. That occurs in many plays. The whole DL shifted to the right. That is allowed. The DL doesn’t know when the snap will occur. They are allowed to shift. Shifting as a group does not simulate the start of action. It’s a normal defensive movement.

Feel free to point out anything that violates the rule and quote that part of the rule.
If the GRIZ didn’t at least try to violate the rule, that’s poor coaching.
 
It was not a correct call. I am aware of the rule change. Nothing mentioned in the rule occurred. It’s my understanding that the DL can still shift before the snap. That occurs in many plays. The whole DL shifted to the right. That is allowed. The DL doesn’t know when the snap will occur. They are allowed to shift. Shifting as a group does not simulate the start of action. It’s a normal defensive movement.

Feel free to point out anything that violates the rule and quote that part of the rule.
It’s only incorrect in your opinion, it is absolutely correct by the letter of the rule. Your confusion is stemming from big sky officials being awful.
 
It was not a correct call. I am aware of the rule change. Nothing mentioned in the rule occurred. It’s my understanding that the DL can still shift before the snap. That occurs in many plays. The whole DL shifted to the right. That is allowed. The DL doesn’t know when the snap will occur. They are allowed to shift. Shifting as a group does not simulate the start of action. It’s a normal defensive movement.

Feel free to point out anything that violates the rule and quote that part of the rule.
That’s why I was asking what the Griz did that was a violation. It sure appeared it was nothing more than a coordinated shift prior to the snap. Very common for our D to shift prior to an offensive snap.
 
While probably “Technically” correct hoops, it depends on how the ref views it and at least that time it burned the Griz. I think it sucks too, and would like to see the refs not call a defensive shift and instead see it specifically tied to verbal or sound communication, such as the clap. The shift seems ticky-tacky to call that penalty. Oh well…
 
On TV, they said that it was also audible. Like someone on the DL barked an order first. Not sure if that's covered by the rule or not.
 
It’s only incorrect in your opinion, it is absolutely correct by the letter of the rule. Your confusion is stemming from big sky officials being awful.
Nope. You can’t even explain or identify the reason. I am happy to listen to your reason. Be specific. I talked to the players on the field about this after the game. Tell us what occurred that some of us may not have seen.
 
Allegedly, the Griz nose was calling plays. We don't see that often but we've seen it before. McBride's Weber teams got called for it. I think Larry Lewis's ISU teams did, too.
As loud as the crowd noise was, I don't know how an official could tell that's what the offense bit on.
 
I would assume that if it was audible, the ref concluded it was simulating a snap count?
Interesting. The OL moved, right tackle, appeared to move based on the DL shift. What ref was close enough to hear and decided that it was simulating a snap count?
How is DL expected to shift as a group without a signal? Isn’t DL shifting a long time part of football and goofing up the blockers and blocking scheme. Is DL expected to just get set and let the OL make its calls and line up who they will block?
 
It’s not in the rule quoted above. Feel
Free free to quote it for us. How does a DL shift as a group without a signal?
It’s absolutely in the rule. Specifically. Look it up. Also, DLs cannot lift a hand off the ground prior to their shift. I don’t know if they did that (and I don’t care enough to rewatch to confirm) but if they did that’s a violation by rule.

Again, if the GRIZ didn’t try some or all of the prohibited activities, it was a major coaching mistake.
 

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