Defensive Delay Of Game

[AZGrizFan]

It was not a correct call. I am aware of the rule change. Nothing mentioned in the rule occurred. It’s my understanding that the DL can still shift before the snap. That occurs in many plays. The whole DL shifted to the right. That is allowed. The DL doesn’t know when the snap will occur. They are allowed to shift. Shifting as a group does not simulate the start of action. It’s a normal defensive movement.

Feel free to point out anything that violates the rule and quote that part of the rule.

I think the part we’ll never know is if someone simulated the snap count or made a noise simulating it. The shift, in and of itself, didn’t appear illegal to me either.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don't know what an usbit is.

And yes, I've looked at the rule. I'm certified as a HS official. I don't have a copy of the NCAA rule book handy as they charge like $20 for it. But I get email updates on rule changes and applications regularly. This was a point of emphasis going into the 2025 season, and there was much communique on it. Believe. Don't. I don't a shit. Look it up. There are plenty of sites which will tell you exactly what I am describing.

Google it. You don’t even know what the infraction was. And yet know it was specifically covered in the rule. Thats pretty funny.

 

[mthoopsfan]

DLine can stem, but it cant be sudden and abrupt especially with the intent of causing a false start.

This is an officials judgement call.

How is a stem not sudden or quick? Only slow stems allowed? The ex players around me were all yelling that stems are fine.

Since nobody in this thread seems to know what caused the penalty to be called, I find it funny that some are saying it was definitely a rule violation and some are saying it’s specially stated in the rule. Ya, right.

 

[mthoopsfan]

“I know for certain that it was a correctly called penalty and the violation is directly covered by and stated in the rule, even neither I nor anyone in this thread knows what action caused the ref to determine there was a penalty.”

 

[dupuyer griz]

Big Sky officials? That game was not
officiated by Big Sky officials.

Yeah, I know, we had a UAC crew that was exceptional. The big sky crews haven’t properly implemented the rule all season and that’s the issue. People see big sky officials every week and somehow think the crew that properly calls the rule are wrong, when in fact, the big sky refs just suck.

 

[mthoopsfan]

It’s absolutely in the rule. Specifically. Look it up. Also, DLs cannot lift a hand off the ground prior to their shift. I don’t know if they did that (and I don’t care enough to rewatch to confirm) but if they did that’s a violation by rule.

Again, if the GRIZ didn’t try some or all of the prohibited activities, it was a major coaching mistake.

What’s definitely in the rule? You don’t even know what triggered the call?

Are you a certificates ncaa ref? These are ncaa rules?

I think you are full of it.

If the rule says DL hand can’t be lifted and a DL hand did get lifted, then I would know why the penalty was called. But no at this point, I don’t know either of those things. How does DL shift without taking his hand off the ground? It would seem that a DL stem would require the hand or hands to be lifted off the ground. Because hands and arms are attached to the shoulder and the body.

I’m not sure I have ever seen a thread with so many people not knowing what they are talking about. But they know they are right.

 

[EverettGriz]

Google it. You don’t even know what the infraction was. And yet know it was specifically covered in the rule. Thats pretty funny.

I did. It returned "a non word morons use".

I don't really care to take the time to find out what precisely the infraction was, because it doesn't matter. I know three things: I fully under the rule; whatever occurred is a judgement call; and if the GRIZ didn't try to push the envelope their coaching staff should be ashamed.

My best guess: Hauck is smart and told the D to push the limit, which they did, either by making an illegal verbal sound, or by stemming after putting their hand in the dirt, or by reaching forward with an arm. Either way, it was likely good officiating and made zero difference in the game.

 

[Montanabob]

That’s why I was asking what the Griz did that was a violation. It sure appeared it was nothing more than a coordinated shift prior to the snap. Very common for our D to shift prior to an offensive snap.

They will also called it if there was an audible sound that initiated the movement. The sound can get the call made. ie hut hut HUT or GO

 

[mthoopsfan]

I did. It returned "a non word morons use".

I don't really care to take the time to find out what precisely the infraction was, because it doesn't matter. I know three things: I fully under the rule; whatever occurred is a judgement call; and if the GRIZ didn't try to push the envelope their coaching staff should be ashamed.

My best guess: Hauck is smart and told the D to push the limit, which they did, either by making an illegal verbal sound, or by stemming after putting their hand in the dirt, or by reaching forward with an arm. Either way, it was likely good officiating and made zero difference in the game.

You “fully under the rule”? What’s that?

I agree that it’s a judgment call. There is no language in the rule that specifically says a DL moving his hand forward or into the neutral zone is a per se violation. I think you made that one up. There is no specific language in the rule that that says a DL can’t pick up his hand after he puts it down and gets set. Someone else just made that up.

This a new change in the ncaa rules. I can’t imagine what vet you are certified in cover the new ncaa rule.

I didn’t compare exacts words, but I believe the whole rule is what early poster said it was. Sometimes there are examples related to rules. I didn’t see examples of this rule, but I didn’t look for examples either. There are examples, someone should post them.

I have reached out for more information on what exactly happened.

 

[mthoopsfan]

They will also called it if there was an audible sound that initiated the movement. The sound can get the call made. ie hut hut HUT or GO

I don’t think hut hut and probably not go either are allowed. Can’t imagine the Griz would violate that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I did. It returned "a non word morons use".

I don't really care to take the time to find out what precisely the infraction was, because it doesn't matter. I know three things: I fully under the rule; whatever occurred is a judgement call; and if the GRIZ didn't try to push the envelope their coaching staff should be ashamed.

My best guess: Hauck is smart and told the D to push the limit, which they did, either by making an illegal verbal sound, or by stemming after putting their hand in the dirt, or by reaching forward with an arm. Either way, it was likely good officiating and made zero difference in the game.

And you don’t fully understand the rule. T Myer’s just not true. And you made up something that you said is specifically in the rule and it’s not.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

What a stupid thing to be arguing over. But par for the course.

 

[EverettGriz]

You “fully under the rule”? What’s that?

I agree that it’s a judgment call. There is no language in the rule that specifically says a DL moving his hand forward or into the neutral zone is a per se violation. I think you made that one up. There is no specific language in the rule that that says a DL can’t pick up his hand after he puts it down and gets set. Someone else just made that up.

This a new change in the ncaa rules. I can’t imagine what vet you are certified in cover the new ncaa rule.

I didn’t compare exacts words, but I believe the whole rule is what early poster said it was. Sometimes there are examples related to rules. I didn’t see examples of this rule, but I didn’t look for examples either. There are examples, someone should post them.

I have reached out for more information on what exactly happened.

Siiiiiiigh.

 

[EverettGriz]

And you don’t fully understand the rule. T Myer’s just not true. And you made up something that you said is specifically in the rule and it’s not.

Siiiiiigh.

 

[EverettGriz]

What a stupid thing to be arguing over. But par for the course.

To be accurate, only one person is arguing. The rest of us are explaining. But yes, for that one individual, absolutely status quo.

 

[dupuyer griz]

To be accurate, only one person is arguing. The rest of us are explaining. But yes, for that one individual, absolutely status quo.

I’m suddenly remembering why I rarely even check this board anymore. Used to really enjoy this place and now it just sucks.

 

[mthoopsfan]

To be accurate, only one person is arguing. The rest of us are explaining. But yes, for that one individual, absolutely status quo.

Multiple posters were stating opinions. But several, I thought you were one of them but maybe you weren't, said things were in the rule, which are not.

And then you stated this: "I'm certified as a HS official." Can you show us where high schools, or WA high schools, adopted the recent NCAA rule that we are talking about? I'd like to see that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

What a stupid thing to be arguing over. But par for the course.

Not stupid at all. You have become a different poster.

 

[mthoopsfan]

But still allowed to shift. I’m assuming someone thrust their arm forward instead of sideways.

Where does the rule say a DL can't thrust arm forward? Don't lineman point at each ofher all the team as they are coordinating with their teammates who is going to do what?

 

[mthoopsfan]

It’s only incorrect in your opinion, it is absolutely correct by the letter of the rule. Your confusion is stemming from big sky officials being awful.

You don't even know what occurred. How can you say it was "absolutely correct by the letter of the rule". What was absolutely correct? What did the letter of the rule say about something that you don't even know occurred. Maybe there was a good basis for the call, but you sure as heck don't know that or know what caused the call to be made.