Defensive adjustments

[mthoopsfan]

From watching them and knowing their skills. And talking to the coaches and several of the players. Note that they held ISU to almost its lowest passing numbers in yardage, average per page, and average per completion. Their man coverage is usually good. And the number of picks. As a group, they have good hands. They have made too many mistakes in some prior games.

We haven’t played one team Worth a poop yet and everyone knows it. If we’re comparing our secondary to games against NAU and Idaho State and saying “that’s good” then we’re truly Fd as a program.

ISU is one of the best passing teams in FCS. Why wouldn't we compare pass defense and secondary to one of the top passing teams? ISU came into the Griz game as 3d in nation, and is now 7th. So, the Griz knocked them down. UM held them under their current average passing yards per game, as well as average per pass and average per completion. That's quite good.

ISU is now averaging 316 yards per game, and NAU is second in the conference at 251 yards per game.

Ferris was a very good team. Colter rates them as at least a top 25 FCS team. While ISU isn't a great team, I think they are better than some are giving them credit for.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You don't think leading the nation in interception has anything to do with discussion of Griz pass D? Or, holding ISU to virtually its lowest passing numbers of the season. Obviously, you never played defensive back.

Ya—that’s why Bosa makes roughly $15 million more than any DB in the league. I’m always amazed that you can say stuff that makes you look dumber every time you say something..

What I said was right. What you said was dumb. Comparing an NFL d-lineman with NFL db's, and then comparing that with ISU passing and UM pass D, makes no sense and is just plain stupid.

Yes, Bosa is highest paid defensive player in history at $34 million. Alexander is highest paid corner, I believe, at $21 million.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So with 3 of our 5 starting DBs being from out of state and only 2 of which being under 6 foot, is it fair to say your comments regarding our secondary being 5’9 and from chinook is completely false and total poop?

Listing some of DBs that are both from Montana and 6 foot or under 6 foot is certainly proof that’s its worth recruiting guys from Montana at those positions. Would you rather we not recruit those guys? Would we be better off without Graves, Gradney, Meyer, Klucewich, and Lee?

If our secondary is so bad, how do they lead the nation in interceptions? Seems that stat alone would be worthy of some notoriety.

Sure you could say I was being facetious with the 5”9 comments but they’re not far off. This secondary for the most part does not pass the “eye test”. They look like they should be playing against Dickinson State. Not Idaho State.

No I don’t think the program should quit looking at kids from Montana to play secondary positions if they do have talent like Tuff and Tim and Anderson. But the kids we have now aren’t any of those guys.

This secondary has looked shaky against completely bad programs. So sorry for not being optimistic.

The UM secondary isn't small. MSU - 5'8", 184; 5'11", 194, 5'10";164, 6'1", 206, 6'2", 179; 6'1", 181, 6'1, 180; 6', 171, 6'1", 191.

The UM pass defense and secondary were pretty good against the 3d best ISU passing offense last weekend.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

We haven’t played one team Worth a poop yet and everyone knows it. If we’re comparing our secondary to games against NAU and Idaho State and saying “that’s good” then we’re truly Fd as a program.

ISU is one of the best passing teams in FCS. Why wouldn't we compare pass defense and secondary to one of the top passing teams? ISU came into the Griz game as 3d in nation, and is now 7th. So, the Griz knocked them down. UM held them under their current average passing yards per game, as well as average per pass and average per completion. That's quite good.

ISU is now averaging 316 yards per game, and NAU is second in the conference at 251 yards per game.

Ferris was a very good team. Colter rates them as at least a top 25 FCS team. While ISU isn't a great team, I think they are better than some are giving them credit for.

A better metric is passing efficiency. iSU is 79th. When you have the 120th rated rushing offense, what do you do? Pass

 

[mthoopsfan]

ISU is one of the best passing teams in FCS. Why wouldn't we compare pass defense and secondary to one of the top passing teams? ISU came into the Griz game as 3d in nation, and is now 7th. So, the Griz knocked them down. UM held them under their current average passing yards per game, as well as average per pass and average per completion. That's quite good.

ISU is now averaging 316 yards per game, and NAU is second in the conference at 251 yards per game.

Ferris was a very good team. Colter rates them as at least a top 25 FCS team. While ISU isn't a great team, I think they are better than some are giving them credit for.

A better metric is passing efficiency. iSU is 79th. When you have the 120th rated rushing offense, what do you do? Pass

Oh, please. Passing efficiency is not a better metric. You really don't understand football. It's shows in almost all your posts.

Passing yardage is the most important stat with regard to this discussion.

UM is 17th in passing efficiency. Are you saying the Griz have a high-powered passing offense?

Get out of here with your dumb comments about football.

 

[Missoula223]

So with 3 of our 5 starting DBs being from out of state and only 2 of which being under 6 foot, is it fair to say your comments regarding our secondary being 5’9 and from chinook is completely false and total poop?

Listing some of DBs that are both from Montana and 6 foot or under 6 foot is certainly proof that’s its worth recruiting guys from Montana at those positions. Would you rather we not recruit those guys? Would we be better off without Graves, Gradney, Meyer, Klucewich, and Lee?

If our secondary is so bad, how do they lead the nation in interceptions? Seems that stat alone would be worthy of some notoriety.

Sure you could say I was being facetious with the 5”9 comments but they’re not far off. This secondary for the most part does not pass the “eye test”. They look like they should be playing against Dickinson State. Not Idaho State.

No I don’t think the program should quit looking at kids from Montana to play secondary positions if they do have talent like Tuff and Tim and Anderson. But the kids we have now aren’t any of those guys.

This secondary has looked shaky against completely bad programs. So sorry for not being optimistic.

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

 

[mthoopsfan]

Sure you could say I was being facetious with the 5”9 comments but they’re not far off. This secondary for the most part does not pass the “eye test”. They look like they should be playing against Dickinson State. Not Idaho State.

No I don’t think the program should quit looking at kids from Montana to play secondary positions if they do have talent like Tuff and Tim and Anderson. But the kids we have now aren’t any of those guys.

This secondary has looked shaky against completely bad programs. So sorry for not being optimistic.

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

Good post. You are starting to post like me. I knew you had potential. Ha.

 

[GrizRealist]

Sure you could say I was being facetious with the 5”9 comments but they’re not far off. This secondary for the most part does not pass the “eye test”. They look like they should be playing against Dickinson State. Not Idaho State.

No I don’t think the program should quit looking at kids from Montana to play secondary positions if they do have talent like Tuff and Tim and Anderson. But the kids we have now aren’t any of those guys.

This secondary has looked shaky against completely bad programs. So sorry for not being optimistic.

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

Yeah, the only difference being that the guys for Alabama are fast twitch athletes with elite speed, technique and hips. Height and weight are only a small piece of the puzzle. There are thousands of collegiate corners out there with measurables of 6-2 210, but only a small portion of them have the other assets needed to actually be successful at the position. Much like being 6-10 doesnt make you a good basketball player, being a pretty athletic 6-2 football player doesnt mean you be a good corner, it just give you a head start.

 

[Missoula223]

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

Yeah, the only difference being that the guys for Alabama are fast twitch athletes with elite speed, technique and hips. Height and weight are only a small piece of the puzzle. There are thousands of collegiate corners out there with measurables of 6-2 210, but only a small portion of them have the other assets needed to actually be successful at the position. Much like being 6-10 doesnt make you a good basketball player, being a pretty athletic 6-2 football player doesnt mean you be a good corner, it just give you a head start.

No doubt. Different conversation in my opinion. I wouldn’t argue that any of our DBs are as athletic as those guys. But he was arguing against our simple measurables. His initial post was that our DBs are all “5’9 from Chinook.” Which I think anyone would agree is really dumb, no?

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Sure you could say I was being facetious with the 5”9 comments but they’re not far off. This secondary for the most part does not pass the “eye test”. They look like they should be playing against Dickinson State. Not Idaho State.

No I don’t think the program should quit looking at kids from Montana to play secondary positions if they do have talent like Tuff and Tim and Anderson. But the kids we have now aren’t any of those guys.

This secondary has looked shaky against completely bad programs. So sorry for not being optimistic.

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

I’ll complain about our secondary. They’re not good. And they don’t look good. They constantly get bullied for 50/50 balls. They will cost us more games against better teams.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

Yeah, the only difference being that the guys for Alabama are fast twitch athletes with elite speed, technique and hips. Height and weight are only a small piece of the puzzle. There are thousands of collegiate corners out there with measurables of 6-2 210, but only a small portion of them have the other assets needed to actually be successful at the position. Much like being 6-10 doesnt make you a good basketball player, being a pretty athletic 6-2 football player doesnt mean you be a good corner, it just give you a head start.

There aren't thousands of corners out there who are 6'2", 210. That's a large and fairly unusual corner. That's safety size.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Yeah, the only difference being that the guys for Alabama are fast twitch athletes with elite speed, technique and hips. Height and weight are only a small piece of the puzzle. There are thousands of collegiate corners out there with measurables of 6-2 210, but only a small portion of them have the other assets needed to actually be successful at the position. Much like being 6-10 doesnt make you a good basketball player, being a pretty athletic 6-2 football player doesnt mean you be a good corner, it just give you a head start.

There aren't thousands of corners out there who are 6'2", 210. That's a large and fairly unusual corner. That's safety size.

I agree. The ones that big or bigger that can catch are on the O side of the ball where they can enjoy the height advantage.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

A better metric is passing efficiency. iSU is 79th. When you have the 120th rated rushing offense, what do you do? Pass

Oh, please. Passing efficiency is not a better metric. You really don't understand football. It's shows in almost all your posts.

Passing yardage is the most important stat with regard to this discussion.

UM is 17th in passing efficiency. Are you saying the Griz have a high-powered passing offense?

Get out of here with your dumb comments about football.

Thank you! The best compliment a poster can have is you disagreeing. When you disagree it gives a post validation. You are like a fact checker for CNN, never right.

Keep validating peoples posts. We love it.

With your batting average you wouldn’t get in the Hall of Fame, in fact, you would be a nobody

 

[mthoopsfan]

Oh, please. Passing efficiency is not a better metric. You really don't understand football. It's shows in almost all your posts.

Passing yardage is the most important stat with regard to this discussion.

UM is 17th in passing efficiency. Are you saying the Griz have a high-powered passing offense?

Get out of here with your dumb comments about football.

Thank you! The best compliment a poster can have is you disagreeing. When you disagree it gives a post validation. You are like a fact checker for CNN, never right.

Keep validating peoples posts. We love it.

With your batting average you wouldn’t get in the Hall of Fame, in fact, you would be a nobody

Nope, I am usually right on the facts, and people like you are often wrong.

My good, passing efficiency is not even in the ballpark as being relevant for pass defense. You just look at some stats, found that, and posted it; while not realizing it was not relevant. I can't imagine anyone anywhere would agree with you. You never played the game, and you don't understand football. You just Google.

 

[GrizRealist]

Yeah, the only difference being that the guys for Alabama are fast twitch athletes with elite speed, technique and hips. Height and weight are only a small piece of the puzzle. There are thousands of collegiate corners out there with measurables of 6-2 210, but only a small portion of them have the other assets needed to actually be successful at the position. Much like being 6-10 doesnt make you a good basketball player, being a pretty athletic 6-2 football player doesnt mean you be a good corner, it just give you a head start.

There aren't thousands of corners out there who are 6'2", 210. That's a large and fairly unusual corner. That's safety size.

Its just an exaggeration to demonstrate that simply having size and playing corner does not make you good.

 

[GrizRealist]

Yeah, the only difference being that the guys for Alabama are fast twitch athletes with elite speed, technique and hips. Height and weight are only a small piece of the puzzle. There are thousands of collegiate corners out there with measurables of 6-2 210, but only a small portion of them have the other assets needed to actually be successful at the position. Much like being 6-10 doesnt make you a good basketball player, being a pretty athletic 6-2 football player doesnt mean you be a good corner, it just give you a head start.

No doubt. Different conversation in my opinion. I wouldn’t argue that any of our DBs are as athletic as those guys. But he was arguing against our simple measurables. His initial post was that our DBs are all “5’9 from Chinook.” Which I think anyone would agree is really dumb, no?

I think the argument could be made that you could go find more preps with good measurables who play in highly competitive leagues in places like California and Arizona who are more game ready by the time they get to college than you could in Montana, especially at a position like corner. Not that you can't find those kids in Montana, they are just less plentiful or take more time to develop both from a technique standpoint as well as physically.

As someone who watches a fair amount of big time high school football, I see a lot of these really talented kids winding up at places that have no business getting them, places UM should easily be able to out recruit.

 

[Missoula223]

No doubt. Different conversation in my opinion. I wouldn’t argue that any of our DBs are as athletic as those guys. But he was arguing against our simple measurables. His initial post was that our DBs are all “5’9 from Chinook.” Which I think anyone would agree is really dumb, no?

I think the argument could be made that you could go find more preps with good measurables who play in highly competitive leagues in places like California and Arizona who are more game ready by the time they get to college than you could in Montana, especially at a position like corner. Not that you can't find those kids in Montana, they are just less plentiful or take more time to develop both from a technique standpoint as well as physically.

As someone who watches a fair amount of big time high school football, I see a lot of these really talented kids winding up at places that have no business getting them, places UM should easily be able to out recruit.

Yep don’t disagree with that either. I never even said our secondary was good or athletic. I simply refuted the claim that we had all 5’9 guys from chinook.

 

[Missoula223]

Again, only 2 of our starting DBs are under 6 feet tall. Walker has been a starter for like 3 years and Meyer is second on the team in tackles despite splitting time with graves. So those are the two that you have issues with? Because Cotton passes the eye test. Graves certainly passes the eye test. Fouch passes the eye test. And Gradney passes the eye test. What measurables do you think DBs should have at the FCS level?

Alabamas starting corners are Kool-Aid Mckinstry who’s 6’1 195 and Terrion Arnold who’s 6’0 196.
Trevin is 6’0 188. Corbin is 183. Do you expect Montana to have corners that are an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier? Just like a premier SEC program?

Alabamas safeties are Jaylen Key who’s 6’2 210 and Caleb Downs who’s 6’0 203. Cotton is 6’1 204, Graves is 6’3 210, Fouch is 6’2 207, and Meyer is 5’9 185. So the only one not comparable to the safeties at the UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA is Meyer who beat out the most attractive safety we have in terms measurables.

I hate to say it but your post is quite frankly really stupid and not true. If you’re going to complain, complain about something that has even the slightest bit of validity

I’ll complain about our secondary. They’re not good. And they don’t look good. They constantly get bullied for 50/50 balls. They will cost us more games against better teams.

I never said they were good. You said they were 5’9 and from chinook. Which has been established that that’s 100% untrue.

 

[GrizRealist]

I think the argument could be made that you could go find more preps with good measurables who play in highly competitive leagues in places like California and Arizona who are more game ready by the time they get to college than you could in Montana, especially at a position like corner. Not that you can't find those kids in Montana, they are just less plentiful or take more time to develop both from a technique standpoint as well as physically.

As someone who watches a fair amount of big time high school football, I see a lot of these really talented kids winding up at places that have no business getting them, places UM should easily be able to out recruit.

Yep don’t disagree with that either. I never even said our secondary was good or athletic. I simply refuted the claim that we had all 5’9 guys from chinook.

I would agree that is not the case either. I think people tend to jump to conclusions when the secondary, in their opinion, is not performing and they see a good portion of that position group from Montana High Schools.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Thank you! The best compliment a poster can have is you disagreeing. When you disagree it gives a post validation. You are like a fact checker for CNN, never right.

Keep validating peoples posts. We love it.

With your batting average you wouldn’t get in the Hall of Fame, in fact, you would be a nobody

Nope, I am usually right on the facts, and people like you are often wrong.

My good, passing efficiency is not even in the ballpark as being relevant for pass defense. You just look at some stats, found that, and posted it; while not realizing it was not relevant. I can't imagine anyone anywhere would agree with you. You never played the game, and you don't understand football. You just Google.

Validation, plus the Power of Compounding!