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[UMGriz75]

4. I chimed in and said folks (didn't point directly at you or anyone else for that matter) were going to feel foolish for pinning blame on coaches, injuries, lack of effort, etc. I was trying to throw you a bone after what I had learned to maybe just leave it all alone
5. You put all your eggs in one basket (his Missoulian quote) and fired shots when you put me on blast and said I was full of crap

After the "Missoulian" quote, which rebutted you 100%, there wasn't much else to say except to point out how classless it was to accuse Daum of betraying you by only telling "half the story."

According to your earlier comments, even that "half of the story" was false.

So, the "reality" according to you is that "Daum's departure had nothing to do with the Grizzly football or the football program." Then Daum made his statement directly to the contrary. OK, so you cornered yourself and your self-conceited knowledge.

Couldn't really call him an outright liar, could you? But then you came close to the same result by claiming under the same self-assured intimate knowledge that he was only "telling half the truth."

Pray, what motive would Daum have had to tell "only half the truth," and who do you actually presume to be by accusing him of it?

As I have repeatedly noted, there had to have been much larger circumstances motivating this than merely not liking a coach. However, that does not offer any logical argument that a coach -- the football team and the football program -- is not "part" of those circumstances.

Indeed, the evidence for that was provided by Dalton Daum himself.

Now, leave him alone. Your ego isn't worth it.

 

[UMGriz75]

This is the statement that 75 is hung up on and completely taking the wrong way:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message to the Missoulian.

75 just can not understand that this feeling was not because of other players or coaches....

"I wasn't happy there, but I don't mean UM football."

"I never felt like I was part of the team but I don't mean the actual, literal team or anybody that actually has anything to do with it, like players and coaches."

There is a point where torture of words violate the Geneva Convention. That was it.

The fact is, the claim was made that the departure "had nothing to do with the program or the team." And that was plainly false.

Spin away.

 

[grizindabox]

This is the statement that 75 is hung up on and completely taking the wrong way:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message to the Missoulian.

75 just can not understand that this feeling was not because of other players or coaches....

"I wasn't happy there, but I don't mean UM football."

"I never felt like I was part of the team but I don't mean the actual, literal team. By "the team," I don't mean anybody that actually has anything to do with it, like players and coaches."

There is a point where torture of words violate the Geneva Convention. That was it.

The fact is, the claim was made that the departure "had nothing to do with the program or the team." And that was plainly false.

Spin away.

75....serious question....if a person does not feel part of something....can it be from things that person is going through as opposed to others.....

He may not have felt as part of the team....but that does not mean is wasn't a personal issue that made him feel that way.....just think about it....because I know you would never admit it was a possible scenario....it would not fit with the argument you have so fiercely been trying to defend...

 

[UMGriz75]

This is the statement that 75 is hung up on and completely taking the wrong way:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message to the Missoulian.

75 just can not understand that this feeling was not because of other players or coaches....

"I wasn't happy there, but I don't mean UM football."

"I never felt like I was part of the team but I don't mean the actual, literal team. By "the team," I don't mean anybody that actually has anything to do with it, like players and coaches."

There is a point where torture of words violate the Geneva Convention. That was it.

The fact is, the claim was made that the departure "had nothing to do with the program or the team." And that was plainly false.

Spin away.

75....serious question....if a person does not feel part of something....can it be from things that person is going through as opposed to others.....

He may not have felt as part of the team....but that does not mean is wasn't a personal issue that made him feel that way.....just think about it....because I know you would never admit it was a possible scenario....it would not fit with the argument you have so fiercely been trying to defend...

If you wish to present facts to that effect feel free. I have consistently used the word "caution" on making such conclusions. I mean yeah, I could speculate that it "could." In case you didn't notice, I said precisely that, that the issues had to be much larger than merely not liking a coach.

And I also said that this is troubling "if" it is part of an apparent pattern. I also said it might not be part of that pattern. Notably, it is impossible for ideologues such as yourself to read "nuance," because you don't practice it yourself. That is why you so easily resort to the opposite tool: straw men.

However, what is clear is that the claim that "his decision to leave had nothing to do with the football program or the football team" was false, even in the way you wish to "suggest" might be true if you put just the right spin on the words that aren't actually there.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

For the part that is or should be of concern to the UM Football program, he made a statement. He expressly made part of his reasoning a matter of public record.

Wait. I thought he made it apart from his decision. Or maybe he meant he's never apart from the team and feels smothered. I'm so confused. We need at least another 17 pages on this alleged typo alone. Get to work

Sorry, I just don't have much of a sense of humor over kids having life problems.

According to you he isn't having life problems.......his quote in the paper proves that....:roll:

 

[mtgrizrule]

DAMN, I go to work, get off, and come back to see egriz out of control on this subject.

The ones questioning our coaching staff and making them sound bad in this, you are wrong on this. For those thinking Dalton caused problems, or did something not within the team concept, you are wrong as well.

For the sake of GRIZ NATION sanity, I hope Dalton or the program can address this in a professional manner to put our minds at ease. The speculation on this is absolutely insane.

A few people here have dropped hints of what happened, but due to the nature of respecting their sources and/or Dalton's privacy they won't or can't outright tell us here. In case you need another hint, in the recent past the GRIZ had another player leave the program for similar reasons. When we heard of his leaving, we all wished him our best and felt for the player.

Again, rest assured, his main reason for leaving is not the coaching or team. I really do hope this all comes out to put an end to the speculation and endless pissing match among a few posters.

Funny, a few years ago, those of the know would have likely posted on here what they know or told us more. However, thanks to some jerks, idiots, and assholes here, the ones in the know no longer post information here, being if they are slightly wrong they are hung out to dry. Good thing, a few of them will provide information on a private level via other sources than posting here.

 

[HookedonGriz]

This is the statement that 75 is hung up on and completely taking the wrong way:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message to the Missoulian.

75 just can not understand that this feeling was not because of other players or coaches but due to the issues that he is facing personally. This player leaving the program is completely different than all the others he is trying to lump it with to further push his narrative about Stitt and the coaching staff.

Ding ding ding. Winner. Funny how he is literally the only one who doesn't "get it". Not surprising to me after all his endless drivel. Someone who lacks that much self awareness needs help. A lot of it.

 

[HookedonGriz]

For the part that is or should be of concern to the UM Football program, he made a statement. He expressly made part of his reasoning a matter of public record.

Wait. I thought he made it apart from his decision. Or maybe he meant he's never apart from the team and feels smothered. I'm so confused. We need at least another 17 pages on this alleged typo alone. Get to work

Sorry, I just don't have much of a sense of humor over kids having life problems.

According to you he isn't having life problems.......his quote in the paper proves that....:roll:

Spot on Alpha, which is exactly why I said he is starting to see the error of his ways on this one and is backpedaling now. This was his first statement that set up his backpedal and now he is sinking fast. His lack of self awareness is frightening. Like I said before, when you walk into a room of 100 people and 99 of them think you're an ass hat it's because you're an ass hat.

 

[HookedonGriz]

DAMN, I go to work, get off, and come back to see egriz out of control on this subject.

The ones questioning our coaching staff and making them sound bad in this, you are wrong on this. For those thinking Dalton caused problems, or did something not within the team concept, you are wrong as well.

For the sake of GRIZ NATION sanity, I hope Dalton or the program can address this in a professional manner to put our minds at ease. The speculation on this is absolutely insane.

A few people here have dropped hints of what happened, but due to the nature of respecting their sources and/or Dalton's privacy they won't or can't outright tell us here. In case you need another hint, in the recent past the GRIZ had another player leave the program for similar reasons. When we heard of his leaving, we all wished him our best and felt for the player.

Again, rest assured, his main reason for leaving is not the coaching or team. I really do hope this all comes out to put an end to the speculation and endless pissing match among a few posters.

Funny, a few years ago, those of the know would have likely posted on here what they know or told us more. However, thanks to some jerks, idiots, and assholes here, the ones in the know no longer post information here, being if they are slightly wrong they are hung out to dry. Good thing, a few of them will provide information on a private level via other sources than posting here.

Another ding ding ding winner from someone who "gets it". UMAssHat75, start cueing up that apology. You owe plenty of them.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Agreed and all the 75k word responses in the world are not going to make everyone else see the light. His attempt to be an excessively verbose Dr Phil has failed

#asshat

Truly I expected a little more from one half of the ambiguously gay duo

 

[grizpsych]

My goodness. How many fathers does this kid have?

 

[UMGriz75]

According to you he isn't having life problems.....

Now, since I've specifically stated, several times, that he must have problems much larger than being mad at a coach to justify leaving the team, with that much talent, your comment is pretty much an outright lie, isn't it?

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

This is the statement that 75 is hung up on and completely taking the wrong way:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message to the Missoulian.

75 just can not understand that this feeling was not because of other players or coaches....

"I wasn't happy there, but I don't mean UM football."

"I never felt like I was part of the team but I don't mean the actual, literal team or anybody that actually has anything to do with it, like players and coaches."

There is a point where torture of words violate the Geneva Convention. That was it.

The fact is, the claim was made that the departure "had nothing to do with the program or the team." And that was plainly false.

Spin away.

Duuuude the kid doesn't want to play football with the Griz anymore....thats it!!! Fucking drop it.

 

[UMGriz75]

Spot on Alpha, which is exactly why I said he is starting to see the error of his ways on this one and is backpedaling now.

Actually, I was the first one to say it. There has to be more to the story than merely having problems with a coach. What bound up your panties was your claim that football had "nothing to do with it" followed by Daum's public statement that it did, or as you nobly accused Daum, he was uttering "only half the truth." Or are you backpedalling from that?

 

[UMGriz75]

The ones questioning our coaching staff and making them sound bad in this, you are wrong on this. For those thinking Dalton caused problems, or did something not within the team concept, you are wrong as well.

Jaysus, now this has escalated to "those thinking Dalton caused problems, or did something not within the team concept," yes, there was a whole group of critics that claimed it was because he was lazy and spoiled. I certainly was not one of them, but few took issue with them. Attacking players rouses little criticism from a certain few of you; questioning coaches elicits instantaneous and mindless indignation.

The coaches can take care of themselves. They are big boys. Players, life isn't so cushy all the time, they don't often have resources to fall back on. You might be justifiably appalled that one loud poster has accused Daum of only telling "half the truth" when Daum issued a statement directly contradicting that poster's narrative.

The money exchange on this:

HookedonGriz wrote:

UMGriz75 wrote:
Isn't it his story to tell?

Not yours?

Wrong as usual.

This is the thread about a busted ego; and Daum is simply a victim.

Leave the kid alone. The coaches can take care of themselves.

 

[PlayerRep]

You know you're striking nerves, 75, when you've got yahoos like Hoooked, HelenaHand and Badlands chasing you, with Alpha firing a few potshots too. It's funny to watching H, H and B be unable to land a punch, and making themselves look silly, running around in circles, contradicting themselves. A real who's who of posters.

 

[Fahque]

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

You know you're striking nerves, 75, when you've got yahoos like Hoooked, HelenaHand and Badlands chasing you, with Alpha firing a few potshots too. It's funny to watching H, H and B be unable to land a punch, and making themselves look silly, running around in circles, contradicting themselves. A real who's who of posters.

Actually you know how effed up you argument is if PR is the only one pumping your ego and massaging your cokc.

 

[grizcountry420]

You know you're striking nerves, 75, when you've got yahoos like Hoooked, HelenaHand and Badlands chasing you, with Alpha firing a few potshots too. It's funny to watching H, H and B be unable to land a punch, and making themselves look silly, running around in circles, contradicting themselves. A real who's who of posters.

Actually you know how effed up you argument is if PR is the only one pumping your ego and massaging your cokc.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You know you're striking nerves, 75, when you've got yahoos like Hoooked, HelenaHand and Badlands chasing you, with Alpha firing a few potshots too. It's funny to watching H, H and B be unable to land a punch, and making themselves look silly, running around in circles, contradicting themselves. A real who's who of posters.

Hey now, all I said was 75 should just drop this non issue, trying to get into the head of a kid and make a story out of it. A 19 yr old wishes not to play football right now. End of story. You know this place has gone to shit when I'm the calm rational one!