Daum

[HookedonGriz]

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

Frankly, I think you've lost it.

I'm not one of several posters who blamed Daum for his leaving the team ("Thought Butte boys were tougher than that ..."). You seem to be ANGRY that by God, when everyone REALLY KNOWS, something is going be to something about something. That's the best translation I can make of your gibberish.

As I've repeatedly said, I have no doubt there are big issues that would cause a kid to sacrifice a scholarship and that I did not believe that merely being mad at a coach would be sufficient. I did not include "lazy" or "slacker" among them. Several posters did. But you have taken no offense to those slanders. Why is that?

I think you've gotten your signals crossed here. Wouldn't be the first time.

The actual fact remains. You claimed there was no connection to his leaving and the football program. The player spoke differently and made you look like the true ass.

Stop making his personal problems hostage to your vanity. Daum made a statement. That's as much as he wanted us to know. Respect that.

Everything you stated is so far from reality. You've twisted your story so many times you don't even know your head from your ass anymore. Here is the post I made word for word that you took offense to in the first place:

"Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on. It is a kid, who made a very difficult choice with very specific reasons for doing so. We are all sad he is leaving. We should also all respect his decision to do so and support him in his next chapter. Remember he is the kid, and we are supposrx to be the adults"

Immediately after that post, you called me out. You said I was full of it based on his quote to the Missoulian. You now (above) just asked why I'm not calling anyone else out who speculated. Wouldn't my quote above address everyone who is speculating? Wouldn't my quote above address others who blamed it on a coach, being lazy, etc.? Doesn't my quote above tell everyone that it is a personal choice that deserved privacy?

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

Frankly, I think you've lost it.

I'm not one of several posters who blamed Daum for his leaving the team ("Thought Butte boys were tougher than that ..."). You seem to be ANGRY that by God, when everyone REALLY KNOWS, something is going be to something about something. That's the best translation I can make of your gibberish.

As I've repeatedly said, I have no doubt there are big issues that would cause a kid to sacrifice a scholarship and that I did not believe that merely being mad at a coach would be sufficient. I did not include "lazy" or "slacker" among them. Several posters did. But you have taken no offense to those slanders. Why is that?

I think you've gotten your signals crossed here. Wouldn't be the first time.

The actual fact remains. You claimed there was no connection to his leaving and the football program. The player spoke differently and made you look like the true ass.

Stop making his personal problems hostage to your vanity. Daum made a statement. That's as much as he wanted us to know. Respect that.

Everything you stated is so far from reality. You've twisted your story so many times you don't even know your head from your ass anymore. Here is the post I made word for word that you took offense to in the first place:

"Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on. It is a kid, who made a very difficult choice with very specific reasons for doing so. We are all sad he is leaving. We should also all respect his decision to do so and support him in his next chapter. Remember he is the kid, and we are supposrx to be the adults"

Immediately after that post, you called me out. You said I was full of it based on his quote to the Missoulian. You now (above) just asked why I'm not calling anyone else out who speculated. Wouldn't my quote above address everyone who is speculating? Wouldn't my quote above address others who blamed it on a coach, being lazy, etc.? Doesn't my quote above tell everyone that it is a personal choice that deserved privacy?

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

PERHAPS we'll believe you. I haven't been following closely, so would you mind quoting where 75 said that Stitt ran him off. He may have said that, but I'd like to see exactly what he said. Can't wait for your "demand" for an apology. "Retard sandwiches"? I hope you are not as ignorant as you sound.

 

[UMGriz75]

Stitt thinks the world of Daum, didn't want him to and still doesn't want him to leave. That is a fact.

Wait. According to some Stitt doesn't want to be friends with the kids, doesn't want to have "feelings" about them, and simply wants them to perform to his exacting standards. Or is that not true?

I don't know either way, just what the players are saying (and not saying), what has been seen on the sidelines, and certain decisions made on the field.

As I have noted, this was one of his recruits, a recruit thought very highly of by all that knew him. I can't imagine that he would "want" a kid with that talent to leave.

Your comments do not explain Daum's public statement, however, making it a complete mystery instead. It does not explain, it contradicts.

 

[George Ferguson]

And I clearly stated I don't presume to know what Daum thinks and am not trying to explain his statement. I'm telling you what Stitt says and only what Stitt said.

 

[rgrizfan]

Stitt thinks the world of Daum, didn't want him to and still doesn't want him to leave. That is a fact.

Wait. According to some Stitt doesn't want to be friends with the kids, doesn't want to have "feelings" about them, and simply wants them to perform to his exacting standards. Or is that not true?

I don't know either way, just what the players are saying (and not saying), what has been seen on the sidelines, and certain decisions made on the field.

As I have noted, this was one of his recruits, a recruit thought very highly of by all that knew him. I can't imagine that he would "want" a kid with that talent to leave.

Your comments do not explain Daum's public statement, however, making it a complete mystery instead. It does not explain, it contradicts.

Sources??? According to some? Who? What players said this? I am genuinely curious?

 

[HookedonGriz]

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

Frankly, I think you've lost it.

I'm not one of several posters who blamed Daum for his leaving the team ("Thought Butte boys were tougher than that ..."). You seem to be ANGRY that by God, when everyone REALLY KNOWS, something is going be to something about something. That's the best translation I can make of your gibberish.

As I've repeatedly said, I have no doubt there are big issues that would cause a kid to sacrifice a scholarship and that I did not believe that merely being mad at a coach would be sufficient. I did not include "lazy" or "slacker" among them. Several posters did. But you have taken no offense to those slanders. Why is that?

I think you've gotten your signals crossed here. Wouldn't be the first time.

The actual fact remains. You claimed there was no connection to his leaving and the football program. The player spoke differently and made you look like the true ass.

Stop making his personal problems hostage to your vanity. Daum made a statement. That's as much as he wanted us to know. Respect that.

Everything you stated is so far from reality. You've twisted your story so many times you don't even know your head from your ass anymore. Here is the post I made word for word that you took offense to in the first place:

"Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on. It is a kid, who made a very difficult choice with very specific reasons for doing so. We are all sad he is leaving. We should also all respect his decision to do so and support him in his next chapter. Remember he is the kid, and we are supposrx to be the adults"

Immediately after that post, you called me out. You said I was full of it based on his quote to the Missoulian. You now (above) just asked why I'm not calling anyone else out who speculated. Wouldn't my quote above address everyone who is speculating? Wouldn't my quote above address others who blamed it on a coach, being lazy, etc.? Doesn't my quote above tell everyone that it is a personal choice that deserved privacy?

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

PERHAPS we'll believe you. I haven't been following closely, so would you mind quoting where 75 said that Stitt ran him off. He may have said that, but I'd like to see exactly what he said. Can't wait for your "demand" for an apology. "Retard sandwiches"? I hope you are not as ignorant as you sound.

Well here is UMGriz75's very first post on this specific thread:

"The "noise" was coming up already last Spring. As I said then, this coach "coaches with his elbows." It is interesting to see alums claim that "by God that's the way it should be," and then blame the players. This isn't about "high expectations." I've always had high expectations and been around plenty of coaches who had high expectations. "Being an asshole" to people isn't part of that."

So based on his very first quote on this, I'd say we are safe to assume he is pinning blame on the coaches and Stitt in particular. And PlayerRep, after what this guy has tried to do and twist and turn and put me on blast, my verbiage toward him is actually gentle at this point. Not sure why you are seemingly enthralled with defending him. Maybe he should fight his own battles especially after digging himself such deep holes, and then rinse, lather, repeat and do it again. You also mentioned that he is not wrong often. Please tell me when have I ever posted lies or bad info on this board. Shouldn't I be granted the same respect. My original post on this was in defense of Daum and was trying to squash all the various speculation that was out there on his leaving. Please tell me how that is a negative thing.

 

[PlayerRep]

Frankly, I think you've lost it.

I'm not one of several posters who blamed Daum for his leaving the team ("Thought Butte boys were tougher than that ..."). You seem to be ANGRY that by God, when everyone REALLY KNOWS, something is going be to something about something. That's the best translation I can make of your gibberish.

As I've repeatedly said, I have no doubt there are big issues that would cause a kid to sacrifice a scholarship and that I did not believe that merely being mad at a coach would be sufficient. I did not include "lazy" or "slacker" among them. Several posters did. But you have taken no offense to those slanders. Why is that?

I think you've gotten your signals crossed here. Wouldn't be the first time.

The actual fact remains. You claimed there was no connection to his leaving and the football program. The player spoke differently and made you look like the true ass.

Stop making his personal problems hostage to your vanity. Daum made a statement. That's as much as he wanted us to know. Respect that.

Everything you stated is so far from reality. You've twisted your story so many times you don't even know your head from your ass anymore. Here is the post I made word for word that you took offense to in the first place:

"Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on. It is a kid, who made a very difficult choice with very specific reasons for doing so. We are all sad he is leaving. We should also all respect his decision to do so and support him in his next chapter. Remember he is the kid, and we are supposrx to be the adults"

Immediately after that post, you called me out. You said I was full of it based on his quote to the Missoulian. You now (above) just asked why I'm not calling anyone else out who speculated. Wouldn't my quote above address everyone who is speculating? Wouldn't my quote above address others who blamed it on a coach, being lazy, etc.? Doesn't my quote above tell everyone that it is a personal choice that deserved privacy?

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

PERHAPS we'll believe you. I haven't been following closely, so would you mind quoting where 75 said that Stitt ran him off. He may have said that, but I'd like to see exactly what he said. Can't wait for your "demand" for an apology. "Retard sandwiches"? I hope you are not as ignorant as you sound.

Well here is UMGriz75's very first post on this specific thread:

"The "noise" was coming up already last Spring. As I said then, this coach "coaches with his elbows." It is interesting to see alums claim that "by God that's the way it should be," and then blame the players. This isn't about "high expectations." I've always had high expectations and been around plenty of coaches who had high expectations. "Being an asshole" to people isn't part of that."

So based on his very first quote on this, I'd say we are safe to assume he is pinning blame on the coaches and Stitt in particular. And PlayerRep, after what this guy has tried to do and twist and turn and put me on blast, my verbiage toward him is actually gentle at this point. Not sure why you are seemingly enthralled with defending him. Maybe he should fight his own battles especially after digging himself such deep holes, and then rinse, lather, repeat and do it again. You also mentioned that he is not wrong often. Please tell me when have I ever posted lies or bad info on this board. Shouldn't I be granted the same respect. My original post on this was in defense of Daum and was trying to squash all the various speculation that was out there on his leaving. Please tell me how that is a negative thing.

Sorry, but the general post of 75's that you quoted doesn't even come close to supporting your assertion.

I have no problem with what you've said about Daum or his situation, other than the "perhaps" post seemed silly. I actually liked your post directed as speculation about Daum. However, I don't know why you're attacking 75. I don't think you're actually reading and understanding what he's saying. He's usually very careful with his words.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Everything you stated is so far from reality. You've twisted your story so many times you don't even know your head from your ass anymore. Here is the post I made word for word that you took offense to in the first place:

"Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on. It is a kid, who made a very difficult choice with very specific reasons for doing so. We are all sad he is leaving. We should also all respect his decision to do so and support him in his next chapter. Remember he is the kid, and we are supposrx to be the adults"

Immediately after that post, you called me out. You said I was full of it based on his quote to the Missoulian. You now (above) just asked why I'm not calling anyone else out who speculated. Wouldn't my quote above address everyone who is speculating? Wouldn't my quote above address others who blamed it on a coach, being lazy, etc.? Doesn't my quote above tell everyone that it is a personal choice that deserved privacy?

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

PERHAPS we'll believe you. I haven't been following closely, so would you mind quoting where 75 said that Stitt ran him off. He may have said that, but I'd like to see exactly what he said. Can't wait for your "demand" for an apology. "Retard sandwiches"? I hope you are not as ignorant as you sound.

Well here is UMGriz75's very first post on this specific thread:

"The "noise" was coming up already last Spring. As I said then, this coach "coaches with his elbows." It is interesting to see alums claim that "by God that's the way it should be," and then blame the players. This isn't about "high expectations." I've always had high expectations and been around plenty of coaches who had high expectations. "Being an asshole" to people isn't part of that."

So based on his very first quote on this, I'd say we are safe to assume he is pinning blame on the coaches and Stitt in particular. And PlayerRep, after what this guy has tried to do and twist and turn and put me on blast, my verbiage toward him is actually gentle at this point. Not sure why you are seemingly enthralled with defending him. Maybe he should fight his own battles especially after digging himself such deep holes, and then rinse, lather, repeat and do it again. You also mentioned that he is not wrong often. Please tell me when have I ever posted lies or bad info on this board. Shouldn't I be granted the same respect. My original post on this was in defense of Daum and was trying to squash all the various speculation that was out there on his leaving. Please tell me how that is a negative thing.

Sorry, but the general post of 75's that you quoted doesn't even come close to supporting your assertion.

I have no problem with what you've said about Daum or his situation, other than the "perhaps" post seemed silly. I actually liked your post directed as speculation about Daum. However, I don't know why you're attacking 75. I don't think you're actually reading and understanding what he's saying. He's usually very careful with his words.

Agree to disagree. Here is another of his direct quotes on this thread:

"Chase Naccarato reflects the current feelings of many team members: "Stitt does not treat people well." Dalton Daum was so impressed by Stitt he changed from MSU to UM. Now, to leave a scholarship behind, and point directly to the "team" atmosphere as the reason, well that's hardly the "personal" decision that has nothing to do with the coach or the team. There's quite an assortment of current and former Griz accumulating public remarks that are not flattering. And, by the same token, team members on social media are silent about team prospects. Nobody talks about it any more. Even given the off-season, I have never seen the Griz this unenthusiastic."

Do you seriously read this one and the one I provided prior and stil deduce he isn't pinning blame on Stitt and coaches? If so that is pretty shocking to me.

 

[UMGriz75]

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

Here's the essence of what you are "demanding" an apology for:
1) Daum left the team.
2) Some pointed to the fact that this adds to number of recent team losses. That accusation comes from the Missoulian.

Daum is the latest of several underclassmen receivers to exit the program since the end of last season.

All gone from last year's roster and the school are scholarship players like receivers Chase Naccarato and Ellis Henderson, safety Manu Rasmussen, cornerback Chris Parker and quarterback Willy Pflug. Walk-on kicker Danny Peoples has also left.

3) Informally or formally, several of these have complained that Stitt's attitude towards players was a problem. Former players have also remarked on that. Naccarato was very specific.
4) Swett has been criticized by current players for similar attitudes towards players under his charge. Several posters affirmed this early in the thread.
5) Daum left and several posters immediately asserted that this happened all the time during transition.
6) Others pointed out that this was Stitt's recruit.
7) The question was raised as to the "fact" of a number of surprising departures from the team, the similarity of allegations made as to why, if coach behaviors were not a trigger for these departures. I made the unremarkable observation that when you see a pattern, there's generally a pattern. I also cautioned that was not always true.
8) "HookedonGriz" loudly and angrily denied that "coach behaviors" had anything to do with Daum's departure because his "departure" had "nothing to do with" the football program or the football team.
9) Daum makes a public statement that his departure was specifically because he wasn't happy in the football program and he didn't feel like a part of the football team.
10) "Hookedongriz" starts calling people names.

#8 and 9 is really what this thread is now all about.

Now, it isn't just "who" you may be demanding an apology from, but the real question is "why?" And why are you so vehement about attempting to discuss Daum's personal situation, complaining that Daum is not telling the "whole story," ie he's not telling the truth?

Daum told us what he wanted us to know. The problem for you is that it isn't what you wanted him to say, and it did refute your basic claims. Daum said what he wanted to say. Respect his privacy on the remainder of his life's challenges which he obviously did not care to discuss. Your ego is now riding on public disclosure, which you assert will vindicate you and that you will then DEMAND apologies. But that does not answer the question, for what? From who? It is obvious your public vindication is far more important to you than the kid's privacy or troubles.

You made a claim this had nothing to do with football. The key "fact" refuting that came, quite clearly, from the public statement issued by Dalton Daum himself.

Wouldn't this thread have been a lot shorter if you had simply allowed Dalton Daum to make his statement, and accepted it for what it said instead of attacking him for telling only "half the story?"

Isn't it his story to tell?

Not yours?

 

[Ursa Major]

Everything you stated is so far from reality. You've twisted your story so many times you don't even know your head from your ass anymore. Here is the post I made word for word that you took offense to in the first place:

"Many of those speculating on this issue will feel foolish when it all eventually comes out. Again, I promise you it wasn't injury, coaches, lack of effort, or the many other scenarios people are guessing and/or starting rumors on. It is a kid, who made a very difficult choice with very specific reasons for doing so. We are all sad he is leaving. We should also all respect his decision to do so and support him in his next chapter. Remember he is the kid, and we are supposrx to be the adults"

Immediately after that post, you called me out. You said I was full of it based on his quote to the Missoulian. You now (above) just asked why I'm not calling anyone else out who speculated. Wouldn't my quote above address everyone who is speculating? Wouldn't my quote above address others who blamed it on a coach, being lazy, etc.? Doesn't my quote above tell everyone that it is a personal choice that deserved privacy?

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

PERHAPS we'll believe you. I haven't been following closely, so would you mind quoting where 75 said that Stitt ran him off. He may have said that, but I'd like to see exactly what he said. Can't wait for your "demand" for an apology. "Retard sandwiches"? I hope you are not as ignorant as you sound.

Well here is UMGriz75's very first post on this specific thread:

"The "noise" was coming up already last Spring. As I said then, this coach "coaches with his elbows." It is interesting to see alums claim that "by God that's the way it should be," and then blame the players. This isn't about "high expectations." I've always had high expectations and been around plenty of coaches who had high expectations. "Being an asshole" to people isn't part of that."

So based on his very first quote on this, I'd say we are safe to assume he is pinning blame on the coaches and Stitt in particular. And PlayerRep, after what this guy has tried to do and twist and turn and put me on blast, my verbiage toward him is actually gentle at this point. Not sure why you are seemingly enthralled with defending him. Maybe he should fight his own battles especially after digging himself such deep holes, and then rinse, lather, repeat and do it again. You also mentioned that he is not wrong often. Please tell me when have I ever posted lies or bad info on this board. Shouldn't I be granted the same respect. My original post on this was in defense of Daum and was trying to squash all the various speculation that was out there on his leaving. Please tell me how that is a negative thing.

Sorry, but the general post of 75's that you quoted doesn't even come close to supporting your assertion.

I have no problem with what you've said about Daum or his situation, other than the "perhaps" post seemed silly. I actually liked your post directed as speculation about Daum. However, I don't know why you're attacking 75. I don't think you're actually reading and understanding what he's saying. He's usually very careful with his words.

I didn't realize that being coy could be a superpower.

 

[statler & waldorf]

From a University perspective, it would be prudent to talk with present and former Griz players involved in the present situation to see if there is a common thread which may have become a problem, and correct the problem. If it is just a individual problem, move on. To ignore a wider, correctable problem is stupidity.

 

[poorgriz]

Wow. This is really, really important in your life right now, isn't it?

And don't bother bashing me, yes I realize I'm posting on a rival's board.

That being said, to anyone who really knows what this mystery personal problem is, is it something that Stitt or any other coach had zero chance of helping Daum through, and keeping him on the team? There are thousands of success stories out there where a coach was able to bring a kid back around.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Yes it does and you can't despite that ass hat. You are starting to realize that you jumped to some all too common conclusions that Stitt and company ran him off and now that it's out there that this wasn't even close to the actual truth, you're back pedaling. You're back pedaling hard and realizing how foolish you will look in the end. I kind of like watching you squirm and my sympathy is very little because your ego and arrogance got you in this mess. Good luck getting out. I'll demand an apology soon enough. And yes you will owe me one. As well as owing one to everyone else you tried to talk circles around but failed. Quit eating those retard sandwiches.

Here's the essence of what you are "demanding" an apology for:
1) Daum left the team.
2) Some pointed to the fact that this adds to number of recent team losses. That accusation comes from the Missoulian.

Daum is the latest of several underclassmen receivers to exit the program since the end of last season.

All gone from last year's roster and the school are scholarship players like receivers Chase Naccarato and Ellis Henderson, safety Manu Rasmussen, cornerback Chris Parker and quarterback Willy Pflug. Walk-on kicker Danny Peoples has also left.

3) Informally or formally, several of these have complained that Stitt's attitude towards players was a problem. Former players have also remarked on that. Naccarato was very specific.
4) Swett has been criticized by current players for similar attitudes towards players under his charge. Several posters affirmed this early in the thread.
5) Daum left and several posters immediately asserted that this happened all the time during transition.
6) Others pointed out that this was Stitt's recruit.
7) The question was raised as to the "fact" of a number of surprising departures from the team, the similarity of allegations made as to why, if coach behaviors were not a trigger for these departures. I made the unremarkable observation that when you see a pattern, there's generally a pattern. I also cautioned that was not always true.
8) "HookedonGriz" loudly and angrily denied that "coach behaviors" had anything to do with Daum's departure because his "departure" had "nothing to do with" the football program or the football team.
9) Daum makes a public statement that his departure was because he wasn't happy in the football program and he didn't feel like a part of the football team.

#8 and 9 is really what this thread is now all about.

Now, it isn't just "who" you may be demanding an apology from, but the real question is "why?" And why are you so vehement about attempting to discuss Daum's personal situation, complaining that Daum is not telling the "whole story," ie he's not telling the truth?

Daum told us what he wanted us to know. The problem for you is that it isn't what you wanted him to say, and it did refute your basic claims. Daum said what he wanted to say. Respect his privacy on the remainder of his life's challenges which he obviously did not care to discuss. Your ego is now riding on public disclosure, which you assert will vindicate you and that you will then DEMAND apologies. But that does not answer the question, for what? From who? It is obvious your public vindication is far more important to you than the kid's privacy or troubles.

You made a claim this had nothing to do with football. The key "fact" refuting that came, quite clearly, from the public statement issued by Dalton Daum himself.

Wouldn't this thread have been a lot shorter if you had simply allowed Dalton Daum to make his statement, and accepted it for what it said instead of attacking him for telling only "half the story?"

Isn't it his story to tell?

Not yours?

Wrong as usual. Now let me show you how to make a point without 12 pages of Charlie Brown teacher drivel that is automatic with you:

1. Daum left
2. Many speculated that it may be injury, lack of effort, or that he doesn't like Stitt, Swett, or other coaches
3. YOU specifically went on and on and on (as usual) that this was due to Stitt chasing him off. Your anti-Stitt feelings were abundantly clear in your posts in this thread
4. I chimed in and said folks (didn't point directly at you or anyone else for that matter) were going to feel foolish for pinning blame on coaches, injuries, lack of effort, etc. I was trying to throw you a bone after what I had learned to maybe just leave it all alone
5. You put all your eggs in one basket (his Missoulian quote) and fired shots when you put me on blast and said I was full of crap
6. I called you out on it and said you're going to look like a fool in all of this and you simply keep digging and digging and digging some more. I said it was a very personal choice that led to his departure and we should respect it. You instead tried to attack me so that you could instead pin the blame on Stitt and coaches
7. It will be so very clear how wrong you are on that theory

And for that I will demand an apology. And you will not give it you poor excuse for a man.

 

[Ursa Major]

From a University perspective, it would be prudent to talk with present and former Griz players involved in the present situation to see if there is a common thread which may have become a problem, and correct the problem. If it is just a individual problem, move on. To ignore a wider, correctable problem is stupidity.

Let's be prudent here. Reality is fluid. All I've read on here is that a small number of egriz poster are creating reality by rehashing a couple of disparaging comments made by a couple of players whose scholorships were either reduced or cut as the coaching staff decided to move in a different direction. In addition, a defensive coordinator that was relived of his position because the head coach again wanted to go in a different direction. The former seems to build traction by its steady drumbeat of negativity and lengthy prose in spite of viable explanations that are at odds with their opinions. Being prudent takes good analysis, information and time. Let's not let the tail wag the dog.

 

[UMGriz75]

Chase Naccarato reflects the current feelings of many team members: "Stitt does not treat people well." Dalton Daum was so impressed by Stitt he changed from MSU to UM. Now, to leave a scholarship behind, and point directly to the "team" atmosphere as the reason, well that's hardly the "personal" decision that has nothing to do with the coach or the team. There's quite an assortment of current and former Griz accumulating public remarks that are not flattering. And, by the same token, team members on social media are silent about team prospects. Nobody talks about it any more. Even given the off-season, I have never seen the Griz this unenthusiastic."

Do you seriously read this one and the one I provided prior and stil deduce he isn't pinning blame on Stitt and coaches? If so that is pretty shocking to me.

It is not a shock to see direct references to evidence discounted in the name of an agenda. Had the quotes to Naccarato been fabricated, different story. But there's a kid who worked hard and successfully for the Griz, and had to leave. He made a fairly explicit accusation. When Willy Pflug was forced out, I noted the twitter feeds of several former and current UM players complaining that "that's just not the way it's done." Everyone can see for themselves that the names that are leaving are distinctly NOT the benchwarmers and transition victims. As several other posters independently verified, indeed, brought my attention to it, causing me to ask around, there is grumbling all around.

If there is an "agenda," it is on the part of those who invariably assert that the players are wrong and the coaches are right.

Daum is a recent manifestation of that agenda, to the extreme that "hookedongriz" felt compelled to loudly assert that Daums' departure had nothing whatsoever to do with the football program of the football team. He felt it necessary to say it, and so confident in his insider knowledge of the Daum family, their neighbors and the dog, that he was justified in calling people names if they dared suggest that the football program or team had anything at all to do with Daum's departure. He knew!

It was quite an arrogant, all-knowing, and condescending claim, relying on his claimed intimacies with anyone that ever knew Dalton Daum. It was a "perfect" knowledge, coyly and humbly disguised as a series of suggested "perhaps"s, as to just how much "hookedongriz" really, really knew about Dalton Daum's decision. No one could possibly know as much about Dalton Daum's decision as "hookedongriz." Indeed, we could rely on that because "hookedongriz" himself said so.

Then Dalton Daum issued his statement.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Leave Daum alone. Most people, let alone 19 year-olds, have no idea how to talk to reporters. His statement to the Missoulian was ambiguous, and he has a right to some personal privacy. So cut him some slack.

 

[UMGriz75]

Isn't it his story to tell?

Not yours?

Wrong as usual.

Well, that explains what your agenda here is then, doesn't it?

 

[goatcreekgriz]

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

 

[grizindabox]

Oh, by the way, I talked yesterday about Daum with a player who will be a senior next year.

I guess that makes you super special.....

No wonder you have trouble in these conversations, you take sarcasm seriously.

I actually provided sarcasm towards the sarcasm....you sir seemed to take the sarcasm seriously....

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This is the statement that 75 is hung up on and completely taking the wrong way:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message to the Missoulian.

75 just can not understand that this feeling was not because of other players or coaches but due to the issues that he is facing personally. This player leaving the program is completely different than all the others he is trying to lump it with to further push his narrative about Stitt and the coaching staff.