Daum

[PlayerRep]

Exactly and spot on. Which is why I keep trying to help UMAssHat75 have a chance to save himself but he keeps digging deeper and deeper. I will be demanding an apology for his idiotic statements and for trying to make everyone else look silly when he is the epitome of it. I would I be ahamed and embarrassed if I were him. But he won't be, he can never admit when he is wrong or made a mistake.

Your problem is your delicate ego. First, you claimed you knew nothing about Daum's decision. See my post directly above.

Then it was a huge life drama, which I had pointed out it surely had to be to give up so much, but that football was apparently a trigger.

But, then you had to load your own agenda. launch a pre-emptive strike in defense of the coaches and denied that football had anything to do with it.

Then Daum made his published statement.

That seems to have been the part that outraged you.

I'd suggest stop trying to take his private troubles hostage to your ego. He made his statement.

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

Word of advice, Hookedon: Do NOT hold your hand on your ass waiting for a public apology from 75. Once the facts come out and he's proven wrong, he'll simply change the argument or throw up 75 red herrings to confuse the argument. He's exceptional at that. Really.

The fallacy with this statement is that 75 is rarely wrong, from what I've observed over the years.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

He's a liberal idiot he's ALWAYS wrong

 

[grzz]

Oh look, Player and 75 talking down to everyone else. Yay.

 

[grizindabox]

Sounds good all knowing one. Happy to bookmark this post so you're the first one who is "ass hat of the year" when you find out more

A lot goes into these decisions. To give up a full scholarship, with a talent load promising the stars, a great deal had to be at work to cause the result. Merely being unhappy with the coach isn't usually enough. Sometimes under great life pressures, you look to your sport, your teammates, your team, and your coaches for the support necessary to get past the other obstacles. That didn't happen here, and he said so.

However, when you claim one thing, and the player claims the opposite, it is a bit disingenuous to claim that the player must be wrong, and that at some point, he will concede to your transcendent insider knowledge, that has so far been consistently wrong.

Do you agree he is now "player ilk" as one of your regular cohorts as claimed on this thread?

It seems if you wanted to generate more plausible faux outrage, that view would justify it in spades.

Tellingly, it does not.

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

Perhaps? Are you from Butte? Are all of these things true? Why can't you just say them if these things are true?

Also, if you know so much about Daum, why did you make the prior post, which 75 flagged, indicating that you didn't know much about the actual situation (this indicated that PERHAPS you don't know what you're talking about)? You are talking in circles and out of both sides of your mouth. Tell us what you know in straightforward Plain English, and then we'll evaluate whether to believe you.

PR...so a so-called smart guy like yourself couldn't figure out that Hooked received first hand info after his initial post.....

 

[Ursa Major]

 

[signedbewildered]

Why doesn't someone come out with it? What the hell happened?

As stated earlier I know nothing but my guess is he is pregnant. No inside information. Simply a guess.

 

[Umista]

E-Grizzers, I leave the country and end up in a hole that has zero internet service and get back into shooting range and find out Dalton is on his way to a better place and not one of you has a clue as to the reason for his leaving?

Reasons I heard were: He followed his girl Morrley to Colorado?
His true girl left him and was going with a guy on the team?
He really wanted a life that had some fun and joy? Could Joy be her name?
He will play baseball at his next location to be announced soon? Did not love football?

Truth is I don't have a clue why he left and wish the young man well in the future! I did want him to become a star at UM as most of us love seeing a local do well in sports and we get to cheer them on as we watch them become champions.

So good luck to Dalton!

 

[PlayerRep]

A lot goes into these decisions. To give up a full scholarship, with a talent load promising the stars, a great deal had to be at work to cause the result. Merely being unhappy with the coach isn't usually enough. Sometimes under great life pressures, you look to your sport, your teammates, your team, and your coaches for the support necessary to get past the other obstacles. That didn't happen here, and he said so.

However, when you claim one thing, and the player claims the opposite, it is a bit disingenuous to claim that the player must be wrong, and that at some point, he will concede to your transcendent insider knowledge, that has so far been consistently wrong.

Do you agree he is now "player ilk" as one of your regular cohorts as claimed on this thread?

It seems if you wanted to generate more plausible faux outrage, that view would justify it in spades.

Tellingly, it does not.

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

Perhaps? Are you from Butte? Are all of these things true? Why can't you just say them if these things are true?

Also, if you know so much about Daum, why did you make the prior post, which 75 flagged, indicating that you didn't know much about the actual situation (this indicated that PERHAPS you don't know what you're talking about)? You are talking in circles and out of both sides of your mouth. Tell us what you know in straightforward Plain English, and then we'll evaluate whether to believe you.

PR...so a so-called smart guy like yourself couldn't figure out that Hooked received first hand info after his initial post.....

I try not to make too many assumptions on things like this, because assumptions are often not right. I try to get better information. How do you know Hooked got firsthand information later? Did he PM you? Or are you just making up stuff. I will wait for Hooked to say what he has to say. Oh, by the way, I talked yesterday about Daum with a player who will be a senior next year.

 

[krammer]

I never felt like a part of this thread.

now, that's funny, right there ! :clap: :lol: :thumb:

 

[ordigger]

Good luck to this young man in his future endeavors. His statement IMO is very general unless you are narrowly focused. I know growing up I was 2-3 years younger than the majority of the other students in my grade. I never felt a part of many things because of that age difference, not even the sports team I tried to play. It could be many different things, and a couple come to mind quickly and none are directly related to football, but just not feeling apart of the team itself.

 

[grizindabox]

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

Perhaps? Are you from Butte? Are all of these things true? Why can't you just say them if these things are true?

Also, if you know so much about Daum, why did you make the prior post, which 75 flagged, indicating that you didn't know much about the actual situation (this indicated that PERHAPS you don't know what you're talking about)? You are talking in circles and out of both sides of your mouth. Tell us what you know in straightforward Plain English, and then we'll evaluate whether to believe you.

PR...so a so-called smart guy like yourself couldn't figure out that Hooked received first hand info after his initial post.....

I try not to make too many assumptions on things like this, because assumptions are often not right. I try to get better information. How do you know Hooked got firsthand information later? Did he PM you? Or are you just making up stuff. I will wait for Hooked to say what he has to say. Oh, by the way, I talked yesterday about Daum with a player who will be a senior next year.

I guess that makes you super special.....

 

[HookedonGriz]

Sounds good all knowing one. Happy to bookmark this post so you're the first one who is "ass hat of the year" when you find out more

A lot goes into these decisions. To give up a full scholarship, with a talent load promising the stars, a great deal had to be at work to cause the result. Merely being unhappy with the coach isn't usually enough. Sometimes under great life pressures, you look to your sport, your teammates, your team, and your coaches for the support necessary to get past the other obstacles. That didn't happen here, and he said so.

However, when you claim one thing, and the player claims the opposite, it is a bit disingenuous to claim that the player must be wrong, and that at some point, he will concede to your transcendent insider knowledge, that has so far been consistently wrong.

Do you agree he is now "player ilk" as one of your regular cohorts as claimed on this thread?

It seems if you wanted to generate more plausible faux outrage, that view would justify it in spades.

Tellingly, it does not.

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

Perhaps? Are you from Butte? Are all of these things true? Why can't you just say them if these things are true?

Also, if you know so much about Daum, why did you make the prior post, which 75 flagged, indicating that you didn't know much about the actual situation (this indicated that PERHAPS you don't know what you're talking about)? You are talking in circles and out of both sides of your mouth. Tell us what you know in straightforward Plain English, and then we'll evaluate whether to believe you.

At the time of my first quote (which was extremely early in this thread and process) I didn't know for sure, nor did anyone really at that point. We were all speculating a bit. Once I reached out to some Butte folks (yes I'm from there and yes I know that family as well as many other Butte players on Griz and Cats) I found out the issue at hand. It's been delicately discussed because it is personal and he and his family have the right to privacy on it. I've actually been defending him and trying to let others know they are going to feel very foolish when it all comes to the surface. UMAssHatGriz then put me on blast, said I'm the fool, told me bc of Daum's quote to the Missoulian (who would tell a stranger at the Missoulian what's really going on if it's a delicate subject matter) that I'm full of It.

Well I beg to differ. And when it comes out I will hold him to an apology. I won't get one nor will anyone from him even though he will look like a complete fool.

 

[George Ferguson]

I'm with CDA, I'm releasing a statement "I just never felt like I was part of this thread".

Back to reality, I don't know Dalton Daum or the Daum family, but I do know one fact regarding this matter. And I won't be afraid to say it publicly. Stitt thinks the world of Daum, didn't want him to and still doesn't want him to leave. That is a fact.

 

[UMGriz75]

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

Frankly, I think you've lost it.

I'm not one of several posters who blamed Daum for his leaving the team ("Thought Butte boys were tougher than that ..."). You seem to be ANGRY that by God, when everyone REALLY KNOWS, something is going be to something about something. That's the best translation I can make of your gibberish.

As I've repeatedly said, I have no doubt there are big issues that would cause a kid to sacrifice a scholarship and that I did not believe that merely being mad at a coach would be sufficient. I did not include "lazy" or "slacker" among them. Several posters did. But you have taken no offense to those slanders. Why is that?

I think you've gotten your signals crossed here. Wouldn't be the first time.

The actual fact remains. You claimed there was no connection to his leaving and the football program. The player spoke differently and made you look like the true ass.

Stop making his personal problems hostage to your vanity. Daum made a statement. That's as much as he wanted us to know. Respect that.

 

[UMGriz75]

Oh, by the way, I talked yesterday about Daum with a player who will be a senior next year.

I guess that makes you super special.....

No wonder you have trouble in these conversations, you take sarcasm seriously.

 

[garizzalies]

For the part that is or should be of concern to the UM Football program, he made a statement. He expressly made part of his reasoning a matter of public record.

Wait. I thought he made it apart from his decision. Or maybe he meant he's never apart from the team and feels smothered. I'm so confused. We need at least another 17 pages on this alleged typo alone. Get to work

 

[UMGriz75]

For the part that is or should be of concern to the UM Football program, he made a statement. He expressly made part of his reasoning a matter of public record.

Wait. I thought he made it apart from his decision. Or maybe he meant he's never apart from the team and feels smothered. I'm so confused. We need at least another 17 pages on this alleged typo alone. Get to work

Sorry, I just don't have much of a sense of humor over kids having life problems.

 

[garizzalies]

You don't have a sense of humor at all; especially when the jokes on you

 

[UMGriz75]

Well aren't you the careful son of a bitch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nobody said it's the player's responsibility or solely "the player's fault if he doesn't feel part of the team". I simply asked if the responsibility is perhaps shared or lies solely with the coaching staff in your opinion. Based on your Urban Meyer comment, I'd say the answer to my question (from your perspective) is a resounding YES--the responsibility lies solely with the coaching staff.

My actual comment was

" So, when a fanboy claims that it's the players "fault" if he doesn't feel a "part of the team," I read that with a great deal of caution. Not that it's always false, just "with caution."

"With caution" does not mean the same thing as "resounding yes." Just sit and think about that for a while.

 

[UMGriz75]

You don't have a sense of humor at all; especially when the jokes on you

I'm laughing at you, does that count? :lol: :lol: