Daum

[CDAGRIZ]

Somebody lock this thing, please!

 

[griz5700]

You guys saying Daum has personal issues which haven't been publicly disclosed are doing him no favors. Like your caught between defending him and defending Stitt. Just shut up.

Who cares what is going on with Daum, it's not a big deal (I assume). But it's none of my business. He's gone. I wish him the best. Move on.

As for this coaching staff, they might deserve their own thread. Some interesting insight being tossed around....

 

[UMGriz75]

He did not say the players and coaches did not make him feel welcome, he said that he did not feel like part of the team. You will continue to spin that to meet your narrative, but several people with actual first hand information have continually attempted to politely reign you in without getting giving too much personal info.

The fact is, those same persons said football had nothing to do with his decision. There's nothing to "spin."

HookedonGriz » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:13 pm
No one can say for certain at this point. I wouldn't say cut as much as left on his own accord. Not sure if the injuries have caught up or his head just not into it. Sucks either way.

grizcountry420 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:46 pm
Thats whats wrong.. Kids coming in here wanting the coaches to kiss their ass and when it doesnt happen their ego gets hurt and then they become a cancer to the team..

BadlandsGrizFan » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:44 pm
Oh you mean the coaches aren't babying kids that are used to being the stars and getting their way at all costs....ya sounds like a real problem.

Daum's actual statement:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message

The background is that Swett has developed something of a reputation that, taken in conjunction with Stitt's own procilvities, is of some concern.

That such behaviors, if true to a significant extent, might make players "unhappy" does not really need to be explained to you does it?

Especially for the typical 18 year old, competitive, athletic, success driven, those teams that do psychological monitoring are well aware that clinical depression, among other concerns, can be amplified by inappropriate coach behaviors sometimes to tragic results. So "coaching behaviors" are not only important to team cohesion and team play, but to individual health as well. It is a considerable responsibility.

It was remarkable to read on this thread that it's the player's responsibility to feel like part of the team. Of course, I read that from the Urban Meyer perspective, the concept of "team" has to come from the coach(s). That's the whole point of having the coach. To coach the "team." That he puts together. And makes as "a team." To excite the players to be part of the "team." So, when a fanboy claims that it's the players "fault" if he doesn't feel a "part of the team," I read that with a great deal of caution. Not that it's always false, just "with caution."

 

[mtgrizrule]

You guys saying Daum has personal issues which haven't been publicly disclosed are doing him no favors. Like your caught between defending him and defending Stitt. Just shut up.

Who cares what is going on with Daum, it's not a big deal (I assume). But it's none of my business. He's gone. I wish him the best. Move on.

As for this coaching staff, they might deserve their own thread. Some interesting insight being tossed around....

On the bright side, at least his issues are not that of a legal nature. It is actually nice to have debates here not involving legal issues. Regardless of what comes out, or does not for the public, we can all rest easy knowing Dalton and the staff will be just fine when all is said and done. :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

75....whether or not Swett is a total douche has nothing to do with Daum deciding to leave....you are trying so desperately hard to connect them to paint a big picture....and that is just not the case here....

 

[UMGriz75]

Exactly and spot on. Which is why I keep trying to help UMAssHat75 have a chance to save himself but he keeps digging deeper and deeper. I will be demanding an apology for his idiotic statements and for trying to make everyone else look silly when he is the epitome of it. I would I be ahamed and embarrassed if I were him. But he won't be, he can never admit when he is wrong or made a mistake.

Your problem is your delicate ego. First, you claimed you knew nothing about Daum's decision. See my post directly above.

Then it was a huge life drama, which I had pointed out it surely had to be to give up so much, but that football was apparently a trigger.

But, then you had to load your own agenda. launch a pre-emptive strike in defense of the coaches and denied that football had anything to do with it.

Then Daum made his published statement.

That seems to have been the part that outraged you.

I'd suggest stop trying to take his private troubles hostage to your ego. He made his statement.

 

[UMGriz75]

75....whether or not Swett is a total douche has nothing to do with Daum deciding to leave....you are trying so desperately hard to connect them to paint a big picture....and that is just not the case here....

Ok, do you finally have it off your chest?

 

[mtgrizrule]

He did not say the players and coaches did not make him feel welcome, he said that he did not feel like part of the team. You will continue to spin that to meet your narrative, but several people with actual first hand information have continually attempted to politely reign you in without getting giving too much personal info.

The fact is, those same persons said football had nothing to do with his decision. There's nothing to "spin."

HookedonGriz » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:13 pm
No one can say for certain at this point. I wouldn't say cut as much as left on his own accord. Not sure if the injuries have caught up or his head just not into it. Sucks either way.

grizcountry420 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:46 pm
Thats whats wrong.. Kids coming in here wanting the coaches to kiss their ass and when it doesnt happen their ego gets hurt and then they become a cancer to the team..

BadlandsGrizFan » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:44 pm
Oh you mean the coaches aren't babying kids that are used to being the stars and getting their way at all costs....ya sounds like a real problem.

Daum's actual statement:

"I just wasn't happy there and never felt like I was apart (sic) of the team," Daum said in a message

The background is that Swett has developed something of a reputation that, taken in conjunction with Stitt's own procilvities, is of some concern.

That such behaviors, if true to a significant extent, might make players "unhappy" does not really need to be explained to you does it?

Especially for the typical 18 year old, competitive, athletic, success driven, those teams that do psychological monitoring are well aware that clinical depression, among other concerns, can be amplified by inappropriate coach behaviors sometimes to tragic results. So "coaching behaviors" are not only important to team cohesion and team play, but to individual health as well. It is a considerable responsibility.

It was remarkable to read on this thread that it's the player's responsibility to feel like part of the team. Of course, I read that from the Urban Meyer perspective, the concept of "team" has to come from the coach(s). That's the whole point of having the coach. To coach the "team." That he puts together. And makes as "a team." To excite the players to be part of the "team." So, when a fanboy claims that it's the players "fault" if he doesn't feel a "part of the team," I read that with a great deal of caution.

Good points. However, what most of us don't know, in this case or any case, how each individual deals with challenges in life, regardless of age. Some people choose to keep things pent up, and deal with things on their own, or let as few people into their lives as possible. Others are open with whatever they are dealing with, making it easier for others with their team, work, family, etc to help them in whatever ways others are comfortable helping someone adjust.

At this point, blaming the coaching staff, or any particular person is not right. The blame for the decision does not lay on Dalton either. From the little I've been told, all this is nothing more than typical young adult adjustments a person learns with time. How long that adjustment takes Dalton and who he allows to see him through the needed adjustments is all up to him. That is the case with every person as they deal with adjustments and maturing. That my friends, is a fact of life, and has very little to do with the coaches, teammates, or any of us.

For those that believe in the power of prayer, just say some prayers that Dalton gets through whatever he is dealing with just fine, and becomes stronger because of it. Let's not make this out to fit one agenda or another. It really is silly and wrong to be placing blame on anyone, in this situation.

 

[grizindabox]

75....whether or not Swett is a total douche has nothing to do with Daum deciding to leave....you are trying so desperately hard to connect them to paint a big picture....and that is just not the case here....

Ok, do you finally have it off your chest?

IDK.....are you done with the conspiracy theory line of bullshit.....

 

[UMGriz75]

75....whether or not Swett is a total douche has nothing to do with Daum deciding to leave....

Gosh, there you go again. Who said he was a "total douche?" It is always necessary for you to accuse the straw man, because you have nothing to say otherwise.

 

[UMGriz75]

75....whether or not Swett is a total douche has nothing to do with Daum deciding to leave....you are trying so desperately hard to connect them to paint a big picture....and that is just not the case here....

Ok, do you finally have it off your chest?

IDK.....are you done with the conspiracy theory line of bullshit.....

Jzyzuz, you are batshit crazy.

 

[grizcountry420]

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

75....whether or not Swett is a total douche has nothing to do with Daum deciding to leave....you are trying so desperately hard to connect them to paint a big picture....and that is just not the case here....

Ok, do you finally have it off your chest?

IDK.....are you done with the conspiracy theory line of bullshit.....

Jzyzuz, you are batshit crazy.

75 is so delusional that he doesn't even realize you nailed him. :thumb:

 

[HookedonGriz]

Exactly and spot on. Which is why I keep trying to help UMAssHat75 have a chance to save himself but he keeps digging deeper and deeper. I will be demanding an apology for his idiotic statements and for trying to make everyone else look silly when he is the epitome of it. I would I be ahamed and embarrassed if I were him. But he won't be, he can never admit when he is wrong or made a mistake.

Your problem is your delicate ego. First, you claimed you knew nothing about Daum's decision. See my post directly above.

Then it was a huge life drama, which I had pointed out it surely had to be to give up so much, but that football was apparently a trigger.

But, then you had to load your own agenda. launch a pre-emptive strike in defense of the coaches and denied that football had anything to do with it.

Then Daum made his published statement.

That seems to have been the part that outraged you.

I'd suggest stop trying to take his private troubles hostage to your ego. He made his statement.

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The fact that 75 hates this coaching staff tells me all I need to know.

You are hearing a voice that did not speak those words. That's called "delusional," technically, schizophrenia.

Reading your posts is delusional.......and sadistic. Your intent is obvious, obvious troll

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You appeared foolish when you first posted that this was a personal decision that didn't have anything to do with the team, and then the quote from Daum was posted. Nobody's guessing about "the many other scenarios" except you. Daum has been quite specific.

Sounds good all knowing one. Happy to bookmark this post so you're the first one who is "ass hat of the year" when you find out more

A lot goes into these decisions. To give up a full scholarship, with a talent load promising the stars, a great deal had to be at work to cause the result. Merely being unhappy with the coach isn't usually enough. Sometimes under great life pressures, you look to your sport, your teammates, your team, and your coaches for the support necessary to get past the other obstacles. That didn't happen here, and he said so.

However, when you claim one thing, and the player claims the opposite, it is a bit disingenuous to claim that the player must be wrong, and that at some point, he will concede to your transcendent insider knowledge, that has so far been consistently wrong.

Do you agree he is now "player ilk" as one of your regular cohorts as claimed on this thread?

It seems if you wanted to generate more plausible faux outrage, that view would justify it in spades.

Tellingly, it does not.

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

Boom

/endthread

 

[AZGrizFan]

It was remarkable to read on this thread that it's the player's responsibility to feel like part of the team. Of course, I read that from the Urban Meyer perspective, the concept of "team" has to come from the coach(s). That's the whole point of having the coach. To coach the "team." That he puts together. And makes as "a team." To excite the players to be part of the "team." So, when a fanboy claims that it's the players "fault" if he doesn't feel a "part of the team," I read that with a great deal of caution. Not that it's always false, just "with caution."

Well aren't you the careful son of a bitch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nobody said it's the player's responsibility or solely "the player's fault if he doesn't feel part of the team". I simply asked if the responsibility is perhaps shared or lies solely with the coaching staff in your opinion. Based on your Urban Meyer comment, I'd say the answer to my question (from your perspective) is a resounding YES--the responsibility lies solely with the coaching staff.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Exactly and spot on. Which is why I keep trying to help UMAssHat75 have a chance to save himself but he keeps digging deeper and deeper. I will be demanding an apology for his idiotic statements and for trying to make everyone else look silly when he is the epitome of it. I would I be ahamed and embarrassed if I were him. But he won't be, he can never admit when he is wrong or made a mistake.

Your problem is your delicate ego. First, you claimed you knew nothing about Daum's decision. See my post directly above.

Then it was a huge life drama, which I had pointed out it surely had to be to give up so much, but that football was apparently a trigger.

But, then you had to load your own agenda. launch a pre-emptive strike in defense of the coaches and denied that football had anything to do with it.

Then Daum made his published statement.

That seems to have been the part that outraged you.

I'd suggest stop trying to take his private troubles hostage to your ego. He made his statement.

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

FWIW, I don't feel sorry for him he is what he is...........entrenched left wing loon. Programmed by CNN is noway to go through life.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Exactly and spot on. Which is why I keep trying to help UMAssHat75 have a chance to save himself but he keeps digging deeper and deeper. I will be demanding an apology for his idiotic statements and for trying to make everyone else look silly when he is the epitome of it. I would I be ahamed and embarrassed if I were him. But he won't be, he can never admit when he is wrong or made a mistake.

Your problem is your delicate ego. First, you claimed you knew nothing about Daum's decision. See my post directly above.

Then it was a huge life drama, which I had pointed out it surely had to be to give up so much, but that football was apparently a trigger.

But, then you had to load your own agenda. launch a pre-emptive strike in defense of the coaches and denied that football had anything to do with it.

Then Daum made his published statement.

That seems to have been the part that outraged you.

I'd suggest stop trying to take his private troubles hostage to your ego. He made his statement.

I'm my best Dory voice from "Finding Nemo".....just keep digging just keep digging. Cannot wait to hold you to a HUGE public apology. You've made such an ass of yourself now I actually feel bad for you....no just kidding I don't. You dig yourself into this one big time. Almost impressively.

Word of advice, Hookedon: Do NOT hold your hand on your ass waiting for a public apology from 75. Once the facts come out and he's proven wrong, he'll simply change the argument or throw up 75 red herrings to confuse the argument. He's exceptional at that. Really.

 

[PlayerRep]

You appeared foolish when you first posted that this was a personal decision that didn't have anything to do with the team, and then the quote from Daum was posted. Nobody's guessing about "the many other scenarios" except you. Daum has been quite specific.

Sounds good all knowing one. Happy to bookmark this post so you're the first one who is "ass hat of the year" when you find out more

A lot goes into these decisions. To give up a full scholarship, with a talent load promising the stars, a great deal had to be at work to cause the result. Merely being unhappy with the coach isn't usually enough. Sometimes under great life pressures, you look to your sport, your teammates, your team, and your coaches for the support necessary to get past the other obstacles. That didn't happen here, and he said so.

However, when you claim one thing, and the player claims the opposite, it is a bit disingenuous to claim that the player must be wrong, and that at some point, he will concede to your transcendent insider knowledge, that has so far been consistently wrong.

Do you agree he is now "player ilk" as one of your regular cohorts as claimed on this thread?

It seems if you wanted to generate more plausible faux outrage, that view would justify it in spades.

Tellingly, it does not.

I am wondering why I am even wasting my time replying to you, as it is very obvious that you have a hard time comprehending anything. You are so hell-bent on this being Stitt's fault you are not allowing your mind to be open to the possibility of other factors. Let's just put this in perspective:

- perhaps I am from Butte and have followed the athletes very closely from that community
- perhaps I have followed the high school career of Daum very closely as well as his tenure with the Griz so far
- perhaps I even know the Daum family (oh my, that cannot be, no one knows anyone else in Butte
- perhaps a 19-year-old boy who just probably made the toughest decision in his entire life is only telling half the story
- perhaps someone like yourself cannot possibly fathom that a 19-year-old boy would want to maintain some privacy in this very difficult decision
- perhaps this really does have nothing to do with Stitt or any other coaches, or the team, or effort, or toughness
- perhaps you swung and missed terribly on this one and that you can actually be wrong for once
- perhaps you will have the decency to apologize to everyone you're pointing the finger at when you see how wrong you are

Perhaps? Are you from Butte? Are all of these things true? Why can't you just say them if these things are true?

Also, if you know so much about Daum, why did you make the prior post, which 75 flagged, indicating that you didn't know much about the actual situation (this indicated that PERHAPS you don't know what you're talking about)? You are talking in circles and out of both sides of your mouth. Tell us what you know in straightforward Plain English, and then we'll evaluate whether to believe you.