Crittenden

[PlayerRep]

Definitely a Griz player ALL can be proud of. Congratulations DC!!

Thought you would view this as "selfishly placing himself about his teammates".

 

[EverettGriz]

Definitely a Griz player ALL can be proud of. Congratulations DC!!

Thought you would view this as "selfishly placing himself about his teammates".

Because he gives it all in the classroom and on the field, and shows up on the front page of the paper for the right reason, you mean?


Yeah. I guess this does perfectly describe the differences between you and me. Thanks for the post.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Definitely a Griz player ALL can be proud of. Congratulations DC!!

Thought you would view this as "selfishly placing himself about his teammates".

Because he gives it all in the classroom and on the field, and shows up on the front page of the paper for the right reason, you mean?


Yeah. I guess this does perfectly describe the differences between you and me. Thanks for the post.

No, I think PR was going more for the "key defensive player going to Seattle to selfishly interview for the award rather than playing in the Griz/Scat game" angle....

 

[PlayerRep]

Definitely a Griz player ALL can be proud of. Congratulations DC!!

Thought you would view this as "selfishly placing himself about his teammates".

Because he gives it all in the classroom and on the field, and shows up on the front page of the paper for the right reason, you mean?


Yeah. I guess this does perfectly describe the differences between you and me. Thanks for the post.

You're the one who keeps talking about players "selfishly putting themselves above their teammates".

 

[EverettGriz]

Absolutely I do. When they're selfish and do stupid shit which hurts the program.

Are you suggesting DC is hurting the program?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Absolutely I do. When they're selfish and do stupid shit which hurts the program.

Are you suggesting DC is hurting the program?

What if we beat ISU, beat EWU, then lose to MSU because Crittenden wasn't there? And as a result we don't get a playoff berth? Is that "hurting the program?"

 

[EverettGriz]

No. He has a once in a lifetime opportunity. One which UM coaches can cite for decades in living rooms when talking to parents.

Fuck people!! This is COLLEGE football. DC's primary job isn't to play football. It's to be the best student he can.


Jesus. I can't believe I'm even having this conversation.

 

[AZGrizFan]

No. He has a once in a lifetime opportunity. One which UM coaches can cite for decades in living rooms when talking to parents.

Fuck people!! This is COLLEGE football. DC's primary job isn't to play football. It's to be the best student he can.


Jesus. I can't believe I'm even having this conversation.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Calm down, man. I AGREE with you...

But I think one could see how someone with a DIFFERENT agenda could spin this as "harming the team"....that's how easy it is.

 

[EverettGriz]

Sorry AZ. I only reacted the way I did because there are obviously some who openly believe exactly what you posted. Which is beyond sad.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sorry AZ. I only reacted the way I did because there are obviously some who openly believe exactly what you posted. Which is beyond sad.

Here's MY point: He's no more intentionally hurting his team than Schmaing, Counts or KVA intentionally hurt the team by their actions Saturday night. Granted, the two events are on opposite ends of the intelligence spectrum, but none are INTENTIONAL in their damage to the team or it's postseason chances.

 

[EverettGriz]

Sorry AZ. I only reacted the way I did because there are obviously some who openly believe exactly what you posted. Which is beyond sad.

Here's MY point: He's no more intentionally hurting his team than Schmaing, Counts or KVA intentionally hurt the team by their actions Saturday night. Granted, the two events are on opposite ends of the intelligence spectrum, but none are INTENTIONAL in their damage to the team or it's postseason chances.

How about the team's integrity? It's brand value? It's public image? The way kids perceive it? The way donors perceive it?

I'd argue what DC is doing has a certain positive effect on those things. I'd say at best it's still to be determined in the other situation.

Intentional or not, those guys made a conscious decision they had to know was wrong which likely will hurt the program.


Now, back to how effing awesome what it is DC is doing!!!!

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sorry AZ. I only reacted the way I did because there are obviously some who openly believe exactly what you posted. Which is beyond sad.

Here's MY point: He's no more intentionally hurting his team than Schmaing, Counts or KVA intentionally hurt the team by their actions Saturday night. Granted, the two events are on opposite ends of the intelligence spectrum, but none are INTENTIONAL in their damage to the team or it's postseason chances.

How about the team's integrity? It's brand value? It's public image? The way kids perceive it? The way donors perceive it?

I'd argue what DC is doing has a certain positive effect on those things. I'd say at best it's still to be determined in the other situation.

All those things may very well be true, but it doesn't make them intentional and reasons to draw and quarter someone for what may amount to nothing more than stupidity.

 

[EverettGriz]

No one is arguing for draw and quarter. I'm recommending 3 games. I understand others may recommend less.

But PR is still suggesting the DC his hurting is team as much as those morons. An argument so ridiculous I cannot believe you and I are discussing it.

 

[signedbewildered]

Sorry AZ. I only reacted the way I did because there are obviously some who openly believe exactly what you posted. Which is beyond sad.

If that is the case it's certainly beyond sad. It never even crossed my mind there was a game to play when the news came today. I know the whole team will be rooting for him.

 

[griz71]

Definitely a Griz player ALL can be proud of. Congratulations DC!!

Thought you would view this as "selfishly placing himself about his teammates".

Because he gives it all in the classroom and on the field, and shows up on the front page of the paper for the right reason, you mean?


Yeah. I guess this does perfectly describe the differences between you and me. Thanks for the post.

No, I think PR was going more for the "key defensive player going to Seattle to selfishly interview for the award rather than playing in the Griz/Scat game" angle....

As we all know there are points in our lives that we have decisions to make and choices that are very difficult affecting not only ourselves but others, and unfortunately often this involves close others like family and teammates. Given the stellar character demonstrated by this extraordinary young man I have no doubt he has weighed all the factors involved in this situation and made the decision based upon his priorities and values that he has acquired throughout his young lifetime. Clearly he has shown the integrity of his makeup and decided what is best for his future---which is what anyone else would do given the situation. I am immensely proud to have Derek Crittenden representing the University of Montana and the State of Montana in this capacity that he has prepared for so diligently, on the field, off the field, and in the community.

 

[signedbewildered]

"....I am immensely proud to have Derek Crittenden representing the University of Montana and the State of Montana in this capacity that he has prepared for so diligently, on the field, off the field, and in the community."

Well said, very well said.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

A large part of the importance of the football program is representation, culture, and promotion of the school.

I'm sorry, but interviewing for a Rhodes Scholarship goes far beyond in providing value to the U than just playing football.

 

[PlayerRep]

No one is arguing for draw and quarter. I'm recommending 3 games. I understand others may recommend less.

But PR is still suggesting the DC his hurting is team as much as those morons. An argument so ridiculous I cannot believe you and I are discussing it.

Actually, I was teasing you by pointing out the fallacies and inconsistencies of your arguments regarding the 3 players compared to Crittenden--as AZ has so aptly done. And you continue by calling the 3 "morons". If the facts show that the 3 just walked into an open construction site/unfinished building, which they thought was unoccupied--which many people do and have done--then their mistake does not merit a 3-game suspension. If the facts show they did more, then the analysis will be different.

By the way, I don't believe you have never walked into or onto a construction site without permission.

I know Critttenden. He's a great kid. I have talked to him about the Rhodes. I told him about my teammate who took a Rhodes over playing in the NFL (after being drafted). The Rhodes is very competitive, and athletes aren't selected as much as they used to be, but I think he has a good chance.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sorry AZ. I only reacted the way I did because there are obviously some who openly believe exactly what you posted. Which is beyond sad.

Here's MY point: He's no more intentionally hurting his team than Schmaing, Counts or KVA intentionally hurt the team by their actions Saturday night. Granted, the two events are on opposite ends of the intelligence spectrum, but none are INTENTIONAL in their damage to the team or it's postseason chances.

How about the team's integrity? It's brand value? It's public image? The way kids perceive it? The way donors perceive it?

I'd argue what DC is doing has a certain positive effect on those things. I'd say at best it's still to be determined in the other situation.

Intentional or not, those guys made a conscious decision they had to know was wrong which likely will hurt the program.


Now, back to how effing awesome what it is DC is doing!!!!

I agree with much of what you said, but I doubt that it even occurred to them that what they did was wrong, if all they did was take 10 or 15 steps off the sidewalk, and walk up a ramp/ladder into a room/building under construction (which they thought was empty) to check it out. Again, if it turns out there are other facts, then they will be treated accordingly.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Oops, wrong thread..