Craig Haley drinks

[HelenaHandBasket]

Are people hung up on it, or are they simply pointing out why some may question whether Colter is a UM fan?

It makes you wonder when it is being pointed out for the umpteenth time.

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

I love it when bub trolls try to stick up for each other on here. It’s pathetically hilarious. Misery loves company, I guess.
Colter is a big boy and I’m sure he can defend himself if he wanted to and doesn’t need you crying and sobbing (“leave colter alone!”). However, he chooses not to address his horrible pod for some crazy reason. He’s had a million chances to come on here, apologize, own up, fall on his sword, etc. and we would probably stop teasing him and move on, but instead he continues to double down by claiming he doesn’t editorialize. What a joke.

Sort of amazing the things that people glom on to....

We did that podcast to explain the procedure of writing about crime in this state. To report on issues like criminal charges and convictions, you have to have the police reports. Most county and city courthouses in Montana, you can get those reports very easily.

Bozeman/Gallatin County is very different. If you do not have a zip code within the county, you have to pay crazy fees to acquire the police reports and they usually don't come through for you until 6-9 months after the crimes have been committed. I first learned this when I was the sports editor of the Bozeman Chronicle and I was trying to report on a DUI charge for a former MSU running back. Even then, I was living in Bozeman and to get the documents in efficient fashion, I had to have our cops and courts reporter get them for me.

Because I did not have the police reports for the MSU DUI situation personally, I did not feel comfortable doing "original" reporting. So instead, we reported it on social media through by retweeting and re posting other outlets' reporting. We also commentated on the DUIs on Nuanez Now about two dozen times. I can find some episodes if you'd like. They are all public and still live.

As I said in the pod of note and as I'll say here, when we analyze and commentate on crimes now in my role as a radio host and podcast commentator, we try our best to talk about how the indiscretions impact the programs on the field. For example, if the OC or DC for the Bobcats are suspended or dismissed, how does that impact the program? We did that during this whole saga.

What it seemed like most of the people that have been critical of me and the Montana media wanted was for the people with the pen (or the camera) to slaughter and opine about the DUIs. To take a moral stand against drinking and driving.

Multiple media members asked Brent Vigen about the situation on multiple occassions. Because of MSU's instituational procedures, Vigen and no other person on campus is allowed to comment. It's their procedure to avoid getting sued, which has certainly happened to MSU before.

I will fully agree that the Missoulian used to competely unfairly destroy the Griz when UM people would get in trouble. I worked there and I hated the way a few of the reporters and an editor treated that situation. It made me sick. It's why I left and moved out of state. It's why Fritz Neighbor lost his job covering the Griz beat - because he stood up for the Griz to the insane ladies fabricating a witch hunt.

I wonder if that's why there was such a strong desire from Griz fans for the Montana media to burn Housewright and Garza at the stake?

Regardless, we only did secondary reporting on these DUIs because of procedure, logistics and costs. If your opinion is that the Bozeman media didn't cover it thoroughly enough or with enough ferocity, I certainly won't argue with you.

If all it takes is saying I'm sorry for letting Sample call some of you a fan base with a loser's mentality, and then agreeing with him, then I'm certainly sorry. Regardless, I'll keep on doing my best to produce Griz content for anyone who wants to follow it.

I know a great many people who are very passionate about the Griz who love what we do at ESPN and Skyline. I would love for that to be all of you, too.

Per the comment about not editorializing, not sure where that came from. I literally host a talk radio show for my main living. All we do is editorialize and opine LMAO

 

[UncleRico]

Sort of amazing the things that people glom on to....

We did that podcast to explain the procedure of writing about crime in this state. To report on issues like criminal charges and convictions, you have to have the police reports. Most county and city courthouses in Montana, you can get those reports very easily.

Bozeman/Gallatin County is very different. If you do not have a zip code within the county, you have to pay crazy fees to acquire the police reports and they usually don't come through for you until 6-9 months after the crimes have been committed. I first learned this when I was the sports editor of the Bozeman Chronicle and I was trying to report on a DUI charge for a former MSU running back. Even then, I was living in Bozeman and to get the documents in efficient fashion, I had to have our cops and courts reporter get them for me.

Because I did not have the police reports for the MSU DUI situation personally, I did not feel comfortable doing "original" reporting. So instead, we reported it on social media through by retweeting and re posting other outlets' reporting. We also commentated on the DUIs on Nuanez Now about two dozen times. I can find some episodes if you'd like. They are all public and still live.

As I said in the pod of note and as I'll say here, when we analyze and commentate on crimes now in my role as a radio host and podcast commentator, we try our best to talk about how the indiscretions impact the programs on the field. For example, if the OC or DC for the Bobcats are suspended or dismissed, how does that impact the program? We did that during this whole saga.

What it seemed like most of the people that have been critical of me and the Montana media wanted was for the people with the pen (or the camera) to slaughter and opine about the DUIs. To take a moral stand against drinking and driving.

Multiple media members asked Brent Vigen about the situation on multiple occassions. Because of MSU's instituational procedures, Vigen and no other person on campus is allowed to comment. It's their procedure to avoid getting sued, which has certainly happened to MSU before.

I will fully agree that the Missoulian used to competely unfairly destroy the Griz when UM people would get in trouble. I worked there and I hated the way a few of the reporters and an editor treated that situation. It made me sick. It's why I left and moved out of state. It's why Fritz Neighbor lost his job covering the Griz beat - because he stood up for the Griz to the insane ladies fabricating a witch hunt.

I wonder if that's why there was such a strong desire from Griz fans for the Montana media to burn Housewright and Garza at the stake?

Regardless, we only did secondary reporting on these DUIs because of procedure, logistics and costs. If your opinion is that the Bozeman media didn't cover it thoroughly enough or with enough ferocity, I certainly won't argue with you.

If all it takes is saying I'm sorry for letting Sample call some of you a fan base with a loser's mentality, and then agreeing with him, then I'm certainly sorry. Regardless, I'll keep on doing my best to produce Griz content for anyone who wants to follow it.

I know a great many people who are very passionate about the Griz who love what we do at ESPN and Skyline. I would love for that to be all of you, too.

Per the comment about not editorializing, not sure where that came from. I literally host a talk radio show for my main living. All we do is editorialize and opine LMAO

Excellent response. Support local journalists folks

 

[mthoopsfan]

Now he tells us. Ha.

The MSU “policy” is BS and they don’t follow it. It’s just an excuse. Now college or virtually no college takes that position.

Is this consistent with MSU’s supposed and BS policy? No, it isn’t. It’s contrary to the supposed non-policy. “"We all have a responsibility to each other, to our team, to our university, to our community to make decisions with all those entities in mind," Vigen said. "Coach Garza failed to do so, and because of that will be serving a one-game suspension this Saturday."

Montana State's Willie Mack Garza charged with DUI hours after Week 12 win

Garza was arrested and charged for driving under the influence on Nov. 19, according to charging documents.

www.montanasports.com

 

[Americansoul]

Sort of amazing the things that people glom on to....

We did that podcast to explain the procedure of writing about crime in this state. To report on issues like criminal charges and convictions, you have to have the police reports. Most county and city courthouses in Montana, you can get those reports very easily.

Bozeman/Gallatin County is very different. If you do not have a zip code within the county, you have to pay crazy fees to acquire the police reports and they usually don't come through for you until 6-9 months after the crimes have been committed. I first learned this when I was the sports editor of the Bozeman Chronicle and I was trying to report on a DUI charge for a former MSU running back. Even then, I was living in Bozeman and to get the documents in efficient fashion, I had to have our cops and courts reporter get them for me.

Because I did not have the police reports for the MSU DUI situation personally, I did not feel comfortable doing "original" reporting. So instead, we reported it on social media through by retweeting and re posting other outlets' reporting. We also commentated on the DUIs on Nuanez Now about two dozen times. I can find some episodes if you'd like. They are all public and still live.

As I said in the pod of note and as I'll say here, when we analyze and commentate on crimes now in my role as a radio host and podcast commentator, we try our best to talk about how the indiscretions impact the programs on the field. For example, if the OC or DC for the Bobcats are suspended or dismissed, how does that impact the program? We did that during this whole saga.

What it seemed like most of the people that have been critical of me and the Montana media wanted was for the people with the pen (or the camera) to slaughter and opine about the DUIs. To take a moral stand against drinking and driving.

Multiple media members asked Brent Vigen about the situation on multiple occassions. Because of MSU's instituational procedures, Vigen and no other person on campus is allowed to comment. It's their procedure to avoid getting sued, which has certainly happened to MSU before.

I will fully agree that the Missoulian used to competely unfairly destroy the Griz when UM people would get in trouble. I worked there and I hated the way a few of the reporters and an editor treated that situation. It made me sick. It's why I left and moved out of state. It's why Fritz Neighbor lost his job covering the Griz beat - because he stood up for the Griz to the insane ladies fabricating a witch hunt.

I wonder if that's why there was such a strong desire from Griz fans for the Montana media to burn Housewright and Garza at the stake?

Regardless, we only did secondary reporting on these DUIs because of procedure, logistics and costs. If your opinion is that the Bozeman media didn't cover it thoroughly enough or with enough ferocity, I certainly won't argue with you.

If all it takes is saying I'm sorry for letting Sample call some of you a fan base with a loser's mentality, and then agreeing with him, then I'm certainly sorry. Regardless, I'll keep on doing my best to produce Griz content for anyone who wants to follow it.

I know a great many people who are very passionate about the Griz who love what we do at ESPN and Skyline. I would love for that to be all of you, too.

Per the comment about not editorializing, not sure where that came from. I literally host a talk radio show for my main living. All we do is editorialize and opine LMAO

Thanks for explaining your stance on this, it should be the end of it...but for anybody who has seen what kind of cesspool this place can be at times i guarantee it won't be....

Take this for what you want, but here is a word of advice for you,.

Ignore the feeble ramblings of the majority of egriz c.j. trolls that lurk over here, I'm certain you figured out who they are by now..

 

[UncleRico]

Thanks for explaining your stance on this, it should be the end of it...but for anybody who has seen what kind of cesspool this place can be at times i guarantee it won't be....

Take this for what you want, but here is a word of advice for you,.

Ignore the feeble ramblings of the majority of egriz c.j. trolls that lurk over here, I'm certain you figured out who they are by now..

Colter wrote a great response. Your response didn’t help him. What are you trying to accomplish?

 

[Americansoul]

Colter wrote a great response. Your response didn’t help him. What are you trying to accomplish?

He did write a great response, but you know as well as I do that no matter what he says I won't be good enough for some over here and we'll all know who they are..

Hey, just letting him know there are some over here that are just as well to ignore...you know it too.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The biggest problem with the media on the Bobcat DUI stuff was that they let go, and didn't challenge, MSU's totally made up and BS response on why they couldn't or wouldn't respond. MSU had already violated their supposed policy. The media should have challenged the policy, as well as asked to see the written policy and see when it was supposedly adopted. I did considerable employment law work in my 45 year legal career, including in MT. I also did legal work for MSU and know their general counsel and assistant counsels. I didn't advise on employment matters for MSU, but I could see immediately what MSU was saying was not true. I said and posted that immediately. This is my biggest gripe directed at the media. The media let MSU bamboozle them with a made-up policy.

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

Are people hung up on it, or are they simply pointing out why some may question whether Colter is a UM fan?

The biggest problem with the media on the Bobcat DUI stuff was that they let go, and didn't challenge, MSU's totally made up and BS response on why they couldn't or wouldn't respond. MSU had already violated their supposed policy. The media should have challenged the policy, as well as asked to see the written policy and see when it was supposedly adopted. I did considerable employment law work in my 45 year legal career, including in MT. I also did legal work for MSU and know their general counsel and assistant counsels. I didn't advise on employment matters for MSU, but I could see immediately what MSU was saying was not true. I said and posted that immediately. This is my biggest gripe directed at the media. The media let MSU bamboozle them with a made-up policy.

I fully agree with this!

And I'll re-emphasize that I live in Missoula so I didn't have a chance to ask the powers that be about this directly.

If you ask, "Well, you have the subjects on your show", my response will be, if I have 8-15 minutes to fill with an interview that only gets granted 8-10 times a year, I'm probably not going to go in on DUIs when I'm trying to have a fun talk show. And if the media in town would've pushed back, I would've covered that too, I just wasn't there.

 

[garizzalies]

If all it takes is saying I'm sorry for letting Sample call some of you a fan base with a loser's mentality, and then agreeing with him, then I'm certainly sorry.

Too little, too late. And most importantly, it doesn’t even sound genuine; more like a non-apology apology. “If all it takes…” Pfft.
And then you try to pass the buck and blame it on Sample when the reality is that the “Griz fans have loser mentalities” was a bullet point on your approved script, not just some passing comment by an unsanctioned guest. Worse, it was the main bullet point that you guys came back to at the end of the pod as the big takeaway, just like your above post where you suggest the uproar stems from the “unfair” coverage by the Missoulian of the Griz, and not the, you know, terrible facts themselves and the cover up by MSdui that media was complicit with.
Also, I ain’t buying the rest of it either. None of it. It’s all hot air. The BS about how you cannot cover the story without the police report? Good grief like that has ever stopped any so called journalist before. If it were that easy to bury a story, no police reports would be released. I paid a homeless man 10 pounds of Panda Express and he got plenty of info from the court to do a story which I posted on here.
And your previous excuse for not covering it was that you don’t editorialize. I know CDA remembers that BS because we both teased you about it then. Now apparently you do (of course you always have) but it’s some different excuse or new BS.

 

[garizzalies]

I'm probably not going to go in on DUIs when I'm trying to have a fun talk show.

Huh? But you have no problem going hard into the Griz-fans-have-loser-mentalities theme? I guess maybe that would be “fun talk show” for someone trolling Griz fans

 

[garizzalies]

And if the media in town would've pushed back, I would've covered that too, I just wasn't there.

Guess I am not even tracking. Are you saying you have to be in the particular BSC town to cover the biggest story in the BSC? I thought Skyline was the best company to cover all of the BSC. Why pull punches for the bubcats of all teams?
And what do you mean by “if the media would have pushed back”? The media was NOT pushing back. That’s the whole point. None of you challenged the total bullshit “policy” which Mr Hoops has clearly explained was total bullshit.
It wasn’t just a missed opportunity, it was so much worse. Even worse than complicity. More like facilitating a cover up

 

[Americansoul]

He did write a great response, but you know as well as I do that no matter what he says I won't be good enough for some over here and we'll all know who they are..

Hey, just letting him know there are some over here that are just as well to ignore...you know it too.

Yeah, rico what did I tell you..believe me now, everything I said proved to be 100% spot on..

 

[Americansoul]

Colter wrote a great response. Your response didn’t help him. What are you trying to accomplish?

You believe me now, didn't take long to be proven 100% correct.?..

 

[garizzalies]

 

[mthoopsfan]

Yeah, rico what did I tell you..believe me now, everything I said proved to be 100% spot on..

Hasn't Rico been saying he liked and supported Colter all along? I think you figured out that Rico was 100% spot on and started copying him.

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

What a weird thread haha.

How about back to the topic at hand....

Haley has the Griz preseason No. 8. I'd rank Montana ahead of Rhode Island and Illinois State for sure, mostly because of schedule and head coach.

How high would you rank Montana? I'd say the Griz need more transfers to "hit" than any other prospective national championship contender. If they do, the Griz will be very good.

I think the "essential six" are

Micah Harper
Diezel Wilkinson

Elijawah Tolbert
Hunter Peck

DJ Peevey
Peyton Wing

I think if four of six "hit" as good fits and great players, Montana will be good. If all six hit, Griz could be very good.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

What a weird thread haha.

How about back to the topic at hand....

Haley has the Griz preseason No. 8. I'd rank Montana ahead of Rhode Island and Illinois State for sure, mostly because of schedule and head coach.

How high would you rank Montana? I'd say the Griz need more transfers to "hit" than any other prospective national championship contender. If they do, the Griz will be very good.

I think the "essential six" are

Micah Harper
Diezel Wilkinson

Elijawah Tolbert
Hunter Peck

DJ Peevey
Peyton Wing

I think if four of six "hit" as good fits and great players, Montana will be good. If all six hit, Griz could be very good.

Agreed with those guys being six that need to hit. Realistically, I don't actually have a clue how the Griz will be this season because so much is hitting reset. IF the transfers hit, and IF Ah Yat has made strides, and IF the defense can get right at nose tackle, they have a chance to beat anyone. But those are a lot of "ifs"

I'd still put the Griz at 4th or 5th. NDSU is first. After that you have USD and SDSU in some order. Then the Montana schools in some order.

I don't follow the S. Dakota teams like I should but it seems like everyone behind NDSU has had to do a bigger rebuild than they would like.

I have SERIOUS questions about the Cats without Tommy Merlot and without any DBs after the portal ravaged their secondary. Can Vigen do it without Tommy? We're about to find out.

I don't know how many times I've been told preseason that UIW will be good, and they never reach their potential. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[EverettGriz]

Sort of amazing the things that people glom on to....

We did that podcast to explain the procedure of writing about crime in this state. To report on issues like criminal charges and convictions, you have to have the police reports. Most county and city courthouses in Montana, you can get those reports very easily.

Bozeman/Gallatin County is very different. If you do not have a zip code within the county, you have to pay crazy fees to acquire the police reports and they usually don't come through for you until 6-9 months after the crimes have been committed. I first learned this when I was the sports editor of the Bozeman Chronicle and I was trying to report on a DUI charge for a former MSU running back. Even then, I was living in Bozeman and to get the documents in efficient fashion, I had to have our cops and courts reporter get them for me.

Because I did not have the police reports for the MSU DUI situation personally, I did not feel comfortable doing "original" reporting. So instead, we reported it on social media through by retweeting and re posting other outlets' reporting. We also commentated on the DUIs on Nuanez Now about two dozen times. I can find some episodes if you'd like. They are all public and still live.

As I said in the pod of note and as I'll say here, when we analyze and commentate on crimes now in my role as a radio host and podcast commentator, we try our best to talk about how the indiscretions impact the programs on the field. For example, if the OC or DC for the Bobcats are suspended or dismissed, how does that impact the program? We did that during this whole saga.

What it seemed like most of the people that have been critical of me and the Montana media wanted was for the people with the pen (or the camera) to slaughter and opine about the DUIs. To take a moral stand against drinking and driving.

Multiple media members asked Brent Vigen about the situation on multiple occassions. Because of MSU's instituational procedures, Vigen and no other person on campus is allowed to comment. It's their procedure to avoid getting sued, which has certainly happened to MSU before.

I will fully agree that the Missoulian used to competely unfairly destroy the Griz when UM people would get in trouble. I worked there and I hated the way a few of the reporters and an editor treated that situation. It made me sick. It's why I left and moved out of state. It's why Fritz Neighbor lost his job covering the Griz beat - because he stood up for the Griz to the insane ladies fabricating a witch hunt.

I wonder if that's why there was such a strong desire from Griz fans for the Montana media to burn Housewright and Garza at the stake?

Regardless, we only did secondary reporting on these DUIs because of procedure, logistics and costs. If your opinion is that the Bozeman media didn't cover it thoroughly enough or with enough ferocity, I certainly won't argue with you.

If all it takes is saying I'm sorry for letting Sample call some of you a fan base with a loser's mentality, and then agreeing with him, then I'm certainly sorry. Regardless, I'll keep on doing my best to produce Griz content for anyone who wants to follow it.

I know a great many people who are very passionate about the Griz who love what we do at ESPN and Skyline. I would love for that to be all of you, too.

Per the comment about not editorializing, not sure where that came from. I literally host a talk radio show for my main living. All we do is editorialize and opine LMAO

I appreciate the response, I truly do. That said, I fully believe it was a massive failure to simply allow msu to stonewall on what should have been the largest sports story in the state at the expense of protecting access.

As for the pod, I think everyone can safely chalk that up as an unmitigated disaster and move on.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I appreciate the response, I truly do. That said, I fully believe it was a massive failure to simply allow msu to stonewall on what should have been the largest sports story in the state at the expense of protecting access.

As for the pod, I think everyone can safely chalk that up as an unmitigated disaster and move on.

I can't seem to find that pod episode anywhere. Anyone have a link?