Counts not suspended?

[PlayerRep]

So Reinell, you're saying JC should have been kicked off for lack of productivity due to injuries? Am I reading that right?

His lack of productivity from injuries, as I stated earlier were not his fault. Two years to me is last year and this year. That to me equals two. He is in practice, and I am one person who hopes he will play this year, every game. When you become a senior on a team, you are supposed to lead from example. He needs to be the leader. He is a big powerful young man who can make the game one way or the other (game changer). He has been given opportunities to do this, he hasn't shown the leadership needed to be this guy, ever!

You expect him to show leadership when he's been hurt so much and not on field? How do you know what kind of leader he is? Tell us more about Count's leadership skills, or lack thereof.

Because he is hurt doesn't mean he can't be a positive leader. If getting into trouble is a method of leadership than....? 29 carries last year, Canada had more than that in one game, John Nguyen has more than that in a game. Prone to injury, yes I know. I like this young man a bunch and have always pulled for him to stay healthy because when he gets the ball he makes things happen. Some times you have to cut your losses and move on...

i thought you were talking about leadership on the field. If you are only talking leadership off the field, then I agree that he hasn't been a positive leader off the field. However, I don't know why you would have ever expected Counts to be a better leader, or whatever you said, off the field. While I would like all players to avoid getting into trouble, I don't expect many of them to be considered leaders off the field, or leaders generally. Some are; most aren't.

 

[reinell30]

His lack of productivity from injuries, as I stated earlier were not his fault. Two years to me is last year and this year. That to me equals two. He is in practice, and I am one person who hopes he will play this year, every game. When you become a senior on a team, you are supposed to lead from example. He needs to be the leader. He is a big powerful young man who can make the game one way or the other (game changer). He has been given opportunities to do this, he hasn't shown the leadership needed to be this guy, ever!

You expect him to show leadership when he's been hurt so much and not on field? How do you know what kind of leader he is? Tell us more about Count's leadership skills, or lack thereof.

Because he is hurt doesn't mean he can't be a positive leader. If getting into trouble is a method of leadership than....? 29 carries last year, Canada had more than that in one game, John Nguyen has more than that in a game. Prone to injury, yes I know. I like this young man a bunch and have always pulled for him to stay healthy because when he gets the ball he makes things happen. Some times you have to cut your losses and move on...

i thought you were talking about leadership on the field. If you are only talking leadership off the field, then I agree that he hasn't been a positive leader off the field. However, I don't know why you would have ever expected Counts to be a better leader, or whatever you said, off the field. While I would like all players to avoid getting into trouble, I don't expect many of them to be considered leaders off the field, or leaders generally. Some are; most aren't.

Agree most aren't. However, In my line of work, US Military, leadership is displayed everyday, both on and off duty. Yes we have many who could/would never be good leaders, just like a football team. I disagree with you on the fact that a good team leader is only a leader on the field. I believe it carries over to classes, and everything teammates do.

 

[Fahque]

I wonder... If Counts had been healthy the last 4 years and was at the top of the depth chart, would people still be calling for his ouster?

Have to be consistent with your punishment, which is why they have the code of conduct. Our Athletic Department seems to use that as the bottom line reference, which I think is the best way of handling things.

On the other hand, you do see players kicked off without legal charges for "conduct detrimental to the team" or a player not meeting standards set for student athletes, which is the case of Auburn's ex-RB a couple weeks ago. In Counts case, he might still be a good teammate and be doing the right things, besides having these errors in judgement. Injuries are usually out of an athlete's control.

Like others, I too had high hopes for Joey. Being injured so much is partially his own fault though. He bulks up so much that his tendons/ligaments can't handle all the stress (no I'm not a Dr.). If he mixed in some agility exercises rather than focussing on bulk, maybe he'd be able to stay healthy.

 

[SACCAT66]

...A lot of times "public figures" are treated more harshly...

Who says that they HAVE to be? I believe in the saying "to whom much is given, much will be expected..." BUT (and its a big but), this is a young person's life. The outcome can have a lifelong impact. We should take care that the very expensive justice system we have created (and hopefully all believe in) gets to run its course. Then and only then, if it comes to it, do the crime, do the time (or suffer the consequences as they might be).

I agree, but the public might not. And that is where they (Public Figures) get tried the most. You have put yourself in this position with past actions, that were front page stories BECAUSE you play for the griz, you can't then expect if you end up on the front page AGAIN (less than a year later) that everyone is just going to say "Let's see what happens, and judge him then" that is not how society works these days....And he knows that.

 

[PlayerRep]

You expect him to show leadership when he's been hurt so much and not on field? How do you know what kind of leader he is? Tell us more about Count's leadership skills, or lack thereof.

Because he is hurt doesn't mean he can't be a positive leader. If getting into trouble is a method of leadership than....? 29 carries last year, Canada had more than that in one game, John Nguyen has more than that in a game. Prone to injury, yes I know. I like this young man a bunch and have always pulled for him to stay healthy because when he gets the ball he makes things happen. Some times you have to cut your losses and move on...

i thought you were talking about leadership on the field. If you are only talking leadership off the field, then I agree that he hasn't been a positive leader off the field. However, I don't know why you would have ever expected Counts to be a better leader, or whatever you said, off the field. While I would like all players to avoid getting into trouble, I don't expect many of them to be considered leaders off the field, or leaders generally. Some are; most aren't.

Agree most aren't. However, In my line of work, US Military, leadership is displayed everyday, both on and off duty. Yes we have many who could/would never be good leaders, just like a football team. I disagree with you on the fact that a good team leader is only a leader on the field. I believe it carries over to classes, and everything teammates do.

I didn't say anything about what a good leader is, in fact, don't think I used the term. However, a player can be a leader on the field and not a leader off the field. Canada might have been an example of that. Agree that a good leader is a good leader on and off field. Agree that the military is a different situation than a college football team. My army ranger son got married last weekend. Lots of army, navy, air force and special ops men and women, mostly now former military, in attendance. Many of them went shooting with wedding guests one day. Lots of M-4's, but also some really expensive and fancy rifles.

 

[Bloomberg75]

Because he is hurt doesn't mean he can't be a positive leader. If getting into trouble is a method of leadership than....? 29 carries last year, Canada had more than that in one game, John Nguyen has more than that in a game. Prone to injury, yes I know. I like this young man a bunch and have always pulled for him to stay healthy because when he gets the ball he makes things happen. Some times you have to cut your losses and move on...

i thought you were talking about leadership on the field. If you are only talking leadership off the field, then I agree that he hasn't been a positive leader off the field. However, I don't know why you would have ever expected Counts to be a better leader, or whatever you said, off the field. While I would like all players to avoid getting into trouble, I don't expect many of them to be considered leaders off the field, or leaders generally. Some are; most aren't.

Agree most aren't. However, In my line of work, US Military, leadership is displayed everyday, both on and off duty. Yes we have many who could/would never be good leaders, just like a football team. I disagree with you on the fact that a good team leader is only a leader on the field. I believe it carries over to classes, and everything teammates do.

I didn't say anything about what a good leader is, in fact, don't think I used the term. However, a player can be a leader on the field and not a leader off the field. Canada might have been an example of that. Agree that a good leader is a good leader on and off field. Agree that the military is a different situation than a college football team. My army ranger son got married last weekend. Lots of army, navy, air force and special ops men and women, mostly now former military, in attendance. Many of them went shooting with wedding guests one day. Lots of M-4's, but also some really expensive and fancy rifles.

Could any of them kick?

 

[Grisly Fan]

...A lot of times "public figures" are treated more harshly...

Who says that they HAVE to be? I believe in the saying "to whom much is given, much will be expected..." BUT (and its a big but), this is a young person's life. The outcome can have a lifelong impact. We should take care that the very expensive justice system we have created (and hopefully all believe in) gets to run its course. Then and only then, if it comes to it, do the crime, do the time (or suffer the consequences as they might be).

I agree, but the public might not. And that is where they (Public Figures) get tried the most. You have put yourself in this position with past actions, that were front page stories BECAUSE you play for the griz, you can't then expect if you end up on the front page AGAIN (less than a year later) that everyone is just going to say "Let's see what happens, and judge him then" that is not how society works these days....And he knows that.

The public and the media get to react however they want. The coach and the university are held to a higher standard of behavior, some of it self-imposed and some of it legally required.

 

[bigsky33]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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[Fahque]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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[bigsky33]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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Did you make those!


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[reinell30]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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Did you make those!


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Sure glad those ain't brownies......

 

[bigsky33]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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Here, have some cookies

Did you make those!


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Sure glad those ain't brownies......

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[Bear Axed]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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I think you should write a letter to the Governor

 

[bigsky33]

According to Choate Luke Daly is off the team until it is settled. Even if healthy he is suspended from the team until then. If guilty he will be dismissed.


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I think you should write a letter to the Governor

Why?


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[CDAGRIZ]

I'm getting in the naked three-point stance and charging some people right now. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[MaltaMan]

Counts should have been removed from the Griz team two years ago at least...His scholarship should have went to a player who wants an education and wants to participate positively on the football team. Accused or convicted, either or, he made the choices to do what he did or didn't do. His health issues haven't helped the team at all. One thing though, the health issues couldn't be helped, no one can predict those. He could have been a great RB for the Griz, but? The excuses need to stop.

I agree. He has shown a pattern of poor judgement

 

[EverettGriz]

Counts should have been removed from the Griz team two years ago at least...His scholarship should have went to a player who wants an education and wants to participate positively on the football team. Accused or convicted, either or, he made the choices to do what he did or didn't do. His health issues haven't helped the team at all. One thing though, the health issues couldn't be helped, no one can predict those. He could have been a great RB for the Griz, but? The excuses need to stop.

I agree. He has shown a pattern of poor judgement

Hey everybody!! MaltoMeal is back. I guess he didn't feel he looked dumbfvck enough in his initial post.

 

[George Ferguson]

Again, there is a major difference in terms here that people who can actually look at their rival objectively understand. Daly is currently suspended "indefinitely". That is a completely different suspension. Counts, per the code of conduct, obviously is not. He is still allowed to participate in fall camp. Jordan Johnson was suspended "indefintiely". He was not allowed to participate in ANY phase of Griz football while going through his legal process. Like I said, people who can actually view these things without judgement and bias totally understand these terms. And all it takes to understand them is the slightest bit of intelligence, which, 33, I know you have. These terms are used ALL THE TIME. Dismissal means you are gone forever, suspended indefinitely means you have at least a shot of being brought back. suspension means you are still in a relatively decent standing, but have punishments to follow including missing games.

Oh and by the way 33, J.R. Nelson is dealing with an NCAA issue, that is a completely different matter all together.

 

[bigsky33]

Again, there is a major difference in terms here that people who can actually look at their rival objectively understand. Daly is currently suspended "indefinitely". That is a completely different suspension. Counts, per the code of conduct, obviously is not. He is still allowed to participate in fall camp. Jordan Johnson was suspended "indefintiely". He was not allowed to participate in ANY phase of Griz football while going through his legal process. Like I said, people who can actually view these things without judgement and bias totally understand these terms. And all it takes to understand them is the slightest bit of intelligence, which, 33, I know you have. These terms are used ALL THE TIME. Dismissal means you are gone forever, suspended indefinitely means you have at least a shot of being brought back. suspension means you are still in a relatively decent standing, but have punishments to follow including missing games.

Oh and by the way 33, J.R. Nelson is dealing with an NCAA issue, that is a completely different matter all together.[/quote

I have not disagreed with you. Once you mentioned the UM code of conduct it clarified things. I had forgot about that. I am perfectly clear on all the terms. Another poster said that people that are suspended participate in practice. I stated that it is not the case at MSU that I know of. Also, I did not comment on Nelson. I agree that is a different matter as you state.


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[grizpack]

Again, there is a major difference in terms here that people who can actually look at their rival objectively understand. Daly is currently suspended "indefinitely". That is a completely different suspension. Counts, per the code of conduct, obviously is not. He is still allowed to participate in fall camp. Jordan Johnson was suspended "indefintiely". He was not allowed to participate in ANY phase of Griz football while going through his legal process. Like I said, people who can actually view these things without judgement and bias totally understand these terms. And all it takes to understand them is the slightest bit of intelligence, which, 33, I know you have. These terms are used ALL THE TIME. Dismissal means you are gone forever, suspended indefinitely means you have at least a shot of being brought back. suspension means you are still in a relatively decent standing, but have punishments to follow including missing games.

Oh and by the way 33, J.R. Nelson is dealing with an NCAA issue, that is a completely different matter all together.[/quote

I have not disagreed with you. Once you mentioned the UM code of conduct it clarified things. I had forgot about that. I am perfectly clear on all the terms. Another poster said that people that are suspended participate in practice. I stated that it is not the case at MSU that I know of. Also, I did not comment on Nelson. I agree that is a different matter as you state.


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Is MSU's Code of Conduct different from UM's? Seems strange that the Regents would allow one to be different from the other.