Counts not suspended?

[George Ferguson]

So Reinell, you're saying JC should have been kicked off for lack of productivity due to injuries? Am I reading that right?

 

[reinell30]

So Reinell, you're saying JC should have been kicked off for lack of productivity due to injuries? Am I reading that right?

His lack of productivity from injuries, as I stated earlier were not his fault. Two years to me is last year and this year. That to me equals two. He is in practice, and I am one person who hopes he will play this year, every game. When you become a senior on a team, you are supposed to lead from example. He needs to be the leader. He is a big powerful young man who can make the game one way or the other (game changer). He has been given opportunities to do this, he hasn't shown the leadership needed to be this guy, ever!

 

[PlayerRep]

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Joey "misdemeanor" Counts should be gone.

I'm not defending Joey, but you say he should have been gone two years ago. What happened then? The house entering happened Halloween night less than a year ago.

All I am saying is, show me a productive year he has had at UM. His potential was never tested on the field. Two years ago he had the opportunity to prove his self. Never happened. Dan Moore finally came thru on his senior year. I expected great things from Joey this year, again looks doubtful!

In 2015, Counts had the highest yards per carry average of any rb on the team, at 5.4. The 3d most TD's. The second longest run. He lost 2 yards. In 29 carries in 6 games.

In 2013, he tied with Canada for the highest yards per carry at 5.0. Lost 3 yards. In 41 carries in 8 games.

In 2012, he led the team in average per carry at 6.0. Lost 1 yard. 14 carries in 5 games.

Yes, the guy has been hurt way too much, but his average per carry has been very good, and his 6 yards of losses in 84 carries is very impressive.

 

[PlayerRep]

So Reinell, you're saying JC should have been kicked off for lack of productivity due to injuries? Am I reading that right?

His lack of productivity from injuries, as I stated earlier were not his fault. Two years to me is last year and this year. That to me equals two. He is in practice, and I am one person who hopes he will play this year, every game. When you become a senior on a team, you are supposed to lead from example. He needs to be the leader. He is a big powerful young man who can make the game one way or the other (game changer). He has been given opportunities to do this, he hasn't shown the leadership needed to be this guy, ever!

You expect him to show leadership when he's been hurt so much and not on field? How do you know what kind of leader he is? Tell us more about Count's leadership skills, or lack thereof.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

I wonder... If Counts had been healthy the last 4 years and was at the top of the depth chart, would people still be calling for his ouster?

Have to be consistent with your punishment, which is why they have the code of conduct. Our Athletic Department seems to use that as the bottom line reference, which I think is the best way of handling things.

On the other hand, you do see players kicked off without legal charges for "conduct detrimental to the team" or a player not meeting standards set for student athletes, which is the case of Auburn's ex-RB a couple weeks ago. In Counts case, he might still be a good teammate and be doing the right things, besides having these errors in judgement. Injuries are usually out of an athlete's control.

 

[maroonandsilver]

So Reinell, you're saying JC should have been kicked off for lack of productivity due to injuries? Am I reading that right?

His lack of productivity from injuries, as I stated earlier were not his fault. Two years to me is last year and this year. That to me equals two. He is in practice, and I am one person who hopes he will play this year, every game. When you become a senior on a team, you are supposed to lead from example. He needs to be the leader. He is a big powerful young man who can make the game one way or the other (game changer). He has been given opportunities to do this, he hasn't shown the leadership needed to be this guy, ever!

You expect him to show leadership when he's been hurt so much and not on field? How do you know what kind of leader he is? Tell us more about Count's leadership skills, or lack thereof.

His behavior shows what kind of leader and teammate he is. He is a senior and he has let his team down.

 

[EverettGriz]

Gotta agree with MandS on this one. If Counts were a leader, he wouldn't make consistently poor decisions and hurt his team (which thank God is the only thing he hurt in this incident).

 

[bigsky33]

Bigsky33, I still think you're confused on the difference between suspension and dismissal. In 99 percent of the cases, including the previous two coaching regimes that I know of at MSU, players who are serving game suspensions were still allowed to practice, go to team meetings, ect. So again I ask, are you saying you are surprised Counts hasn't been kicked off the team???? Because otherwise, there's really nothing to be surprised about.

No, not confused. I am not aware of players that have been suspended at MSU practicing with the team as Luke Daly is not now. When suspended you are off the team until the case is decided. Maybe I am wrong. But , that is what I meant.

 

[zengriz]

...settle down girls...
...he's in the stitt house...
...all come out in the wash...

... ...

 

[BDizzle]

Bigsky33, I still think you're confused on the difference between suspension and dismissal. In 99 percent of the cases, including the previous two coaching regimes that I know of at MSU, players who are serving game suspensions were still allowed to practice, go to team meetings, ect. So again I ask, are you saying you are surprised Counts hasn't been kicked off the team???? Because otherwise, there's really nothing to be surprised about.

No, not confused. I am not aware of players that have been suspended at MSU practicing with the team as Luke Daly is not now. When suspended you are off the team until the case is decided. Maybe I am wrong. But , that is what I meant.

Luke Daly has a torn ACL. Hard to practice.

 

[VimSince03]

Bigsky33, I still think you're confused on the difference between suspension and dismissal. In 99 percent of the cases, including the previous two coaching regimes that I know of at MSU, players who are serving game suspensions were still allowed to practice, go to team meetings, ect. So again I ask, are you saying you are surprised Counts hasn't been kicked off the team???? Because otherwise, there's really nothing to be surprised about.

No, not confused. I am not aware of players that have been suspended at MSU practicing with the team as Luke Daly is not now. When suspended you are off the team until the case is decided. Maybe I am wrong. But , that is what I meant.

Luke Daly has a torn ACL. Hard to practice.

MSU LB Marcus Tappan got a misdemeanor DUI this January and was suspended from the team indefinitely. Now at a JUCO. But whatever, Counts isn't even the best back on the Griz anyway.

 

[RobGriz]

Bigsky33, I still think you're confused on the difference between suspension and dismissal. In 99 percent of the cases, including the previous two coaching regimes that I know of at MSU, players who are serving game suspensions were still allowed to practice, go to team meetings, ect. So again I ask, are you saying you are surprised Counts hasn't been kicked off the team???? Because otherwise, there's really nothing to be surprised about.

No, not confused. I am not aware of players that have been suspended at MSU practicing with the team as Luke Daly is not now. When suspended you are off the team until the case is decided. Maybe I am wrong. But , that is what I meant.

Luke Daly has a torn ACL. Hard to practice.

MSU LB Marcus Tappan got a misdemeanor DUI this January and was suspended from the team indefinitely. Now at a JUCO. But whatever, Counts isn't even the best back on the Griz anyway.

Was he suspended before or after he was convicted in court?

 

[VimSince03]

No, not confused. I am not aware of players that have been suspended at MSU practicing with the team as Luke Daly is not now. When suspended you are off the team until the case is decided. Maybe I am wrong. But , that is what I meant.

Luke Daly has a torn ACL. Hard to practice.

MSU LB Marcus Tappan got a misdemeanor DUI this January and was suspended from the team indefinitely. Now at a JUCO. But whatever, Counts isn't even the best back on the Griz anyway.

Was he suspended before or after he was convicted in court?

Suspended the day after he got the DUI.

 

[RobGriz]

Luke Daly has a torn ACL. Hard to practice.

MSU LB Marcus Tappan got a misdemeanor DUI this January and was suspended from the team indefinitely. Now at a JUCO. But whatever, Counts isn't even the best back on the Griz anyway.

Was he suspended before or after he was convicted in court?

Suspended the day after he got the DUI.

If Counts is guilty I hope he is kicked off the team but I'd like to see him receive due process first. Same with Tappan. Just my opinion.

 

[The_Real_Chief]

I never understood suspending someone before the legal process takes its course. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent.

 

[RobGriz]

I never understood suspending someone before the legal process takes its course. Innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent.

Exactly. But according to Gwen, you are guilty until proven not guilty and not guilty doesn't mean innocent. Even if she does make you a sammich afterwards.

 

[grizindabox]

Bigsky33, I still think you're confused on the difference between suspension and dismissal. In 99 percent of the cases, including the previous two coaching regimes that I know of at MSU, players who are serving game suspensions were still allowed to practice, go to team meetings, ect. So again I ask, are you saying you are surprised Counts hasn't been kicked off the team???? Because otherwise, there's really nothing to be surprised about.

No, not confused. I am not aware of players that have been suspended at MSU practicing with the team as Luke Daly is not now. When suspended you are off the team until the case is decided. Maybe I am wrong. But , that is what I meant.

Luke Daly has a torn ACL. Hard to practice.

MSU LB Marcus Tappan got a misdemeanor DUI this January and was suspended from the team indefinitely. Now at a JUCO. But whatever, Counts isn't even the best back on the Griz anyway.

I am not sure he is top 5........

 

[SACCAT66]

Here is another angle on the whole thing...Are these players considered "Public Figures" because they play college football? A lot of times "public figures" are treated more harshly, because they are expected to be better than the rest because of who they are, and the spotlight they are given. Sure the law and code of conduct say due process must be followed, but there are plenty of "Public Figures" that were fired, suspended, whatever, before the legal issues ever played out. Public opinion (legal or not) does matter, and if these kids (and they are kids) are doing things, and getting advantages that most people wouldn't...then they (in my mind) would be considered "Public Figures".

 

[reinell30]

So Reinell, you're saying JC should have been kicked off for lack of productivity due to injuries? Am I reading that right?

His lack of productivity from injuries, as I stated earlier were not his fault. Two years to me is last year and this year. That to me equals two. He is in practice, and I am one person who hopes he will play this year, every game. When you become a senior on a team, you are supposed to lead from example. He needs to be the leader. He is a big powerful young man who can make the game one way or the other (game changer). He has been given opportunities to do this, he hasn't shown the leadership needed to be this guy, ever!

You expect him to show leadership when he's been hurt so much and not on field? How do you know what kind of leader he is? Tell us more about Count's leadership skills, or lack thereof.

Because he is hurt doesn't mean he can't be a positive leader. If getting into trouble is a method of leadership than....? 29 carries last year, Canada had more than that in one game, John Nguyen has more than that in a game. Prone to injury, yes I know. I like this young man a bunch and have always pulled for him to stay healthy because when he gets the ball he makes things happen. Some times you have to cut your losses and move on...

 

[Grisly Fan]

...A lot of times "public figures" are treated more harshly...

Who says that they HAVE to be? I believe in the saying "to whom much is given, much will be expected..." BUT (and its a big but), this is a young person's life. The outcome can have a lifelong impact. We should take care that the very expensive justice system we have created (and hopefully all believe in) gets to run its course. Then and only then, if it comes to it, do the crime, do the time (or suffer the consequences as they might be).