Comments of the mother of a son accused of sexual assault

[ranco]

the mother of a son accused of rape? yeah, there's someone with an objective opinion.

To her credit, she is mostly criticizing the process not just her family's personal experience.

exactly. she's putting the process on trial, but its just her side of the story. had it not been her son she would be just fine with it, but her son would never rape anyone and, of course nether would j.j. or a priest.

You just don't get it don't get GG. It is all about the process. Like it or not, having a fair process is far more important than the result of any individual matter.

 

[Ursa Major]

To her credit, she is mostly criticizing the process not just her family's personal experience.

exactly. she's putting the process on trial, but its just her side of the story. had it not been her son she would be just fine with it, but her son would never rape anyone and, of course nether would j.j. or a priest.

She is not nearly as opinionated as you.

She's also smarter and more articulate.

:egriz: E-Griz: Disagreeing and Being Disagreeable Since 2003!

 

[montanaguy]

Another feminist progressive reaping what they've sown. It's amazing that a progressive attorney was blind to the fact that PC fascism has taken over our college and that kangaroo court style 'hearings' of this sort are commonplace... these facts are widely known to anyone not limiting their eading to leftist and PC news sources. In todays environment being male = guilty of sexual assault. First amendment rights have long been gone from most college campuses also.

 

[getgrizzy]

all i have to do is say there is no rebuttal to this woman's claim and you attack me? that pretty much says it all right there. funny stuff.

 

[narly]

This is but yet another example in the continuing saga of political correctness which has enveloped this country like the Black Plague. The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad, that the basic human rights as guaranteed by the constitution are now ignored, due to whatever the latest left-winged agenda-of-the-day has emerged. And, as normal, they always go way too far in the other direction. Totally over-reaction. And we are all now victims.

Americans who value freedom, of which much blood has been spilled to protect, had better wake up!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Oh my.

Let's see, it has nothing to do with Griz football. Nothing to do with the FCS.

Why is this thread here again?

The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad...

Well, put me in your bad box! :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

Oh my.

Let's see, it has nothing to do with Griz football. Nothing to do with the FCS.

Why is this thread here again?

The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad...

Well, put me in your bad box! :lol:

From your bad box, do you care to tell us your views on whether JJ was treated fairly and with adequate due process by the university, on lowering the university standard to preponderance for sexual assaults, and the US Constitution/Bill of Rights (like due process, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc.)?

 

[narly]

Oh my.

Let's see, it has nothing to do with Griz football. Nothing to do with the FCS.

Why is this thread here again?

The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad...

Well, put me in your bad box! :lol:

From your bad box, do you care to tell us your views on whether JJ was treated fairly and with adequate due process by the university, on lowering the university standard to preponderance for sexual assaults, and the US Constitution/Bill of Rights (like due process, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc.)?

Do not try to confuse someone with an agenda, by asking him to consider the content of the constitution. Most of these ideologues don't care about the blood spilled to protect their right to try to undermine that document. Change we can believe in. How is that workin' out for ya, weatherman?

 

[Ursa Major]

Oh my.

Let's see, it has nothing to do with Griz football. Nothing to do with the FCS.

Why is this thread here again?

The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad...

Well, put me in your bad box! :lol:

From your bad box, do you care to tell us your views on whether JJ was treated fairly and with adequate due process by the university, on lowering the university standard to preponderance for sexual assaults, and the US Constitution/Bill of Rights (like due process, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc.)?

Do not try to confuse someone with an agenda, by asking him to consider the content of the constitution. Most of these ideologues don't care about the blood spilled to protect their right to try to undermine that document. Change we can believe in. How is that workin' out for ya, weatherman?

Like the right to free speech?

 

[getgrizzy]

Oh my.

Let's see, it has nothing to do with Griz football. Nothing to do with the FCS.

Why is this thread here again?

The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad...

Well, put me in your bad box! :lol:

From your bad box, do you care to tell us your views on whether JJ was treated fairly and with adequate due process by the university, on lowering the university standard to preponderance for sexual assaults, and the US Constitution/Bill of Rights (like due process, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc.)?

Do not try to confuse someone with an agenda, by asking him to consider the content of the constitution. Most of these ideologues don't care about the blood spilled to protect their right to try to undermine that document. Change we can believe in. How is that workin' out for ya, weatherman?

its hard when you have an agenda to tell someone with an agenda how to act toward someone with an agenda, but you gave it a shot. :thumb:

 

[grizonbob]

A similar article in Forbes magazine tells the story of an interesting case at the University of North Carolina. These cases are going to continue popping up all over the country, thanks to the Obama Administration's forcing schools to restrict the rights of those accused of sexual assaults.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/04/17/colleges-must-promote-personal-responsibility-not-he-said-she-said-trials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This column provides some insights on why student honor courts are terrible places to attempt to get at the truth of what happened when one student accuses another in student rape cases.

But secondly -- and I'll admit I'm not an attorney -- I find to hard to believe the courts won't eventually rule that these "courts" are violating the civil liberties of those accused, as the Obama Administration now wants them run.

 

[getgrizzy]

A similar article in Forbes magazine tells the story of an interesting case at the University of North Carolina. These cases are going to continue popping up all over the country, thanks to the Obama Administration's forcing schools to restrict the rights of those accused of sexual assaults.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/04/17/colleges-must-promote-personal-responsibility-not-he-said-she-said-trials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This column provides some insights on why student honor courts are terrible places to attempt to get at the truth of what happened when one student accuses another in student rape cases.

But secondly -- and I'll admit I'm not an attorney -- I find to hard to believe the courts won't eventually rule that these "courts" are violating the civil liberties of those accused, as the Obama Administration now wants them run.

because our college honor courts aren't tasked with determining a guilt that will result in a prison term, rather they are determining if expulsion is merited. good thing jane doe went to the police and got a trial, eh? our jj might be down in ogden. the details of honor court are confidential, so i don't think another school can ask why someone is expelled.

 

[grizonbob]

A similar article in Forbes magazine tells the story of an interesting case at the University of North Carolina. These cases are going to continue popping up all over the country, thanks to the Obama Administration's forcing schools to restrict the rights of those accused of sexual assaults.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/04/17/colleges-must-promote-personal-responsibility-not-he-said-she-said-trials/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This column provides some insights on why student honor courts are terrible places to attempt to get at the truth of what happened when one student accuses another in student rape cases.

But secondly -- and I'll admit I'm not an attorney -- I find to hard to believe the courts won't eventually rule that these "courts" are violating the civil liberties of those accused, as the Obama Administration now wants them run.

because our college honor courts aren't tasked with determining a guilt that will result in a prison term, rather they are determining if expulsion is merited. good thing jane doe went to the police and got a trial, eh? our jj might be down in ogden. the details of honor court are confidential, so i don't think another school can ask why someone is expelled.

I'm not sure what to make of your comment. In JJ's case, I think, the jury's quick return of a not guilty verdict was in essence a repudiation of the honors court process. Even more so was the federal judge's ruling against UM for violating JJ's rights.

The students who serve on the honor courts, as far as I know, are not elected, so they are not accountable to anyone, and I don't know that they have any legal training. Still, they potentially have a lot of power over other students' lives.

Now, it is no big deal if we're talking about disputes over stolen meals from refrigerators or things like that. But rape is a whole different matter. And if you read the column I linked to by the former dean of Harvard College, he doesn't like the idea of students adjudicating rape cases. "Colleges should stop the practice of “he-said-she-said” trials," he says.

 

[narly]

Oh my.

Let's see, it has nothing to do with Griz football. Nothing to do with the FCS.

Why is this thread here again?



Well, put me in your bad box! :lol:

From your bad box, do you care to tell us your views on whether JJ was treated fairly and with adequate due process by the university, on lowering the university standard to preponderance for sexual assaults, and the US Constitution/Bill of Rights (like due process, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, etc.)?

Do not try to confuse someone with an agenda, by asking him to consider the content of the constitution. Most of these ideologues don't care about the blood spilled to protect their right to try to undermine that document. Change we can believe in. How is that workin' out for ya, weatherman?

its hard when you have an agenda to tell someone with an agenda how to act toward someone with an agenda, but you gave it a shot. :thumb:

My only agenda is trying to save this proud nation, and it's constitution, which has withstood several wars, including the Civil war, and has endured, despite the idiots like yourself who would rather disregard it in the guise of "progressivism". There are plenty of countries in the word you could move to and be happy with the nanny state you so strongly desire. Just leave America to Americans.

 

[GrizFan2011]

the mother of a son accused of rape? yeah, there's someone with an objective opinion.

To her credit, she is mostly criticizing the process not just her family's personal experience.

exactly. she's putting the process on trial, but its just her side of the story. had it not been her son she would be just fine with it, but her son would never rape anyone and, of course nether would j.j. or a priest.

She is not nearly as opinionated as you.

Wow! I re-read this mother's comments twice after reading your comments. Nowhere does she say anything like "her son would never rape anyone and, of course neither would j.j. or a priest." My goodness. This woman is talking about due process - nothing more, nothing less. I would expect the same for my daughters - don't have any sons - should they be charged with sexual assault. In fact, if one of my daughters was an alleged victim, it would never occur to me that the alleged perpetrator wouldn't be given due process. Take off the blinders.

 

[Gaeilge1]

I also reread the article after reading the thread.

When I read the article I saw no particular progressive agenda. Rather, I see a woman who suggests that if this is a progressive agenda it has failed and has produced an overreaction that has caused some very real problems with the violation of due process. I viewed the article more from a concerned citizen who, after being directly involved through her son in a situation that by its very nature, (allegation waay after the fact), believes that the rule of law, in this case due process, has to be upheld despite the political correctness of the day.

I would have thought that any conservative agenda theorist would be overjoyed to see this change of mind from an alleged progressive thinker!

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The so-called "progressives" are so vocal and demanding in their unending quest to make everyone equal, while they continue to denigrate the very backbone of this great nation, and divide the country into convenient boxes of good versus bad...

...idiots like yourself who would rather disregard it in the guise of "progressivism".

...the nanny state you so strongly desire.

And the hypocrisy just keeps on comin'! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[How ya' doing, Mr. Pickles?]

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Anecdotal evidence is always the best way to form policy.

It's what we do as Americans these days. Never let a crisis go to waste!

 

[kemajic]

I would have thought that any conservative agenda theorist would be overjoyed to see this change of mind from an alleged progressive thinker!

I was....