Coaching carousel

[Boscoe]

Amongst the many threads regarding the potential new coach for the Griz, I've been hearing a common concern. Some posters have mentioned that they don't want to see the Griz stuck in 'coaching carousel' cycle of replacing a coach that exits to greener pastures every few years. In reality, I'd take a new coach every three years so long as we win, versus a coach for the next ten years that never produces a championship. I feel like we need to recognize that we are a stepping stone, and we should embrace that. We have a lot to offer a up-and-coming coach who's looking to get some exposure. And we can benefit mutually. Get the best possible coach that we can get, regardeless of his longterm plans.

 

[PlayerRep]

I agree that UM is more of a stepping stone than a destination, but with some exceptions. Having coaches, head and assistants, is the mark of a good program, and validates that the right people were hired. An exception would have been Pflu, who intended to finish his career here. Planned to have his son come coach with him. UM has had way too many coaches in recent years. Coaching transitions often cause disruptions.

 

[Sea Bass]

I agree that UM is more of a stepping stone than a destination, but with some exceptions. Having coaches, head and assistants, is the mark of a good program, and validates that the right people were hired. An exception would have been Pflu, who intended to finish his career here. Planned to have his son come coach with him. UM has had way too many coaches in recent years. Coaching transitions often cause disruptions.

Spot on.

 

[signedbewildered]

U of M isn't the only football program with this issue. With some exceptions, most colleges are a stepping stone. You do well, someone comes knocking at a higher level......hopefully all the way to the NFL if you have proven yourself.

 

[spsyk]

Don Read, didn't think the UM was a stepping stone, and built the program to arguably one of the preimer programs of the FCS.

I am certain that Robin Pflugrad, would have been the Robin Selvig for football, if not for RE

Joe Glenn, thought Wyoming was a step closer to Nebraska, money was good, the dream unattainable.

Mick Dennehy, just got tired of the BS that was coming his way here at the UM, and followed the money due to being near to retirement anyway, take the big money and leave the BS.

Bobby Hauck, announced on the day he was awarded the job at UM that this was a stepping stone for something that probably now is unattainable.

If a stepping stone is Wyoming, UNLV, Utah State, other than the money, personally I would stay at the UM, for those places are for most cases, end of careers.

At most of the top FCS schools coaches have in most cases been long tenured coaches, and there is no reason why another Don Read or Robin Pflugrad can't be found, and hopefully will, for the sake of the program.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Don Read, didn't think the UM was a stepping stone, and built the program to arguably one of the preimer programs of the FCS.

I am certain that Robin Pflugrad, would have been the Robin Selvig for football, if not for RE

Joe Glenn, thought Wyoming was a step closer to Nebraska, money was good, the dream unattainable.

Mick Dennehy, just got tired of the BS that was coming his way here at the UM, and followed the money due to being near to retirement anyway, take the big money and leave the BS.

Bobby Hauck, announced on the day he was awarded the job at UM that this was a stepping stone for something that probably now is unattainable.

If a stepping stone is Wyoming, UNLV, Utah State, other than the money, personally I would stay at the UM, for those places are for most cases, end of careers.

At most of the top FCS schools coaches have in most cases been long tenured coaches, and there is no reason why another Don Read or Robin Pflugrad can't be found, and hopefully will, for the sake of the program.

Utah State isn't a doormat any more. They're 5-1 in the MWC and 8-3 overall. Remember when Colorado State used to be a dead end job? Now McElwain has them at 9-1, ranked 22 in the nation and poised for a major bowl bid. How long until Mac leaves for even GREENER pastures?

 

[Boscoe]

Don Read, didn't think the UM was a stepping stone, and built the program to arguably one of the preimer programs of the FCS.

I am certain that Robin Pflugrad, would have been the Robin Selvig for football, if not for RE

Joe Glenn, thought Wyoming was a step closer to Nebraska, money was good, the dream unattainable.

Mick Dennehy, just got tired of the BS that was coming his way here at the UM, and followed the money due to being near to retirement anyway, take the big money and leave the BS.

Bobby Hauck, announced on the day he was awarded the job at UM that this was a stepping stone for something that probably now is unattainable.

If a stepping stone is Wyoming, UNLV, Utah State, other than the money, personally I would stay at the UM, for those places are for most cases, end of careers.

At most of the top FCS schools coaches have in most cases been long tenured coaches, and there is no reason why another Don Read or Robin Pflugrad can't be found, and hopefully will, for the sake of the program.

Obviously you would stay at the U of M. So would I. But you and I aren't up and coming coaches that could come here and win IMMEDIATELY. We're fans on a message board. I guess I don't share your sentiment though, that there's a plethora of high caliber coaches with the intentions of finishing their career at an FCS school.

 

[Huge]

Seems to me there are 2 choices.

Hire the best coach available and realize that if the program is highly successful he is going to have opportunities to "move up" at some point.

Don't hire the best coach available and keep him around until he is non-renewed because the program is not successful.

The reality is that most coaches / humans are going to consider opportunities to advance their careers. Frankly, it's not like one year of success at UM is going to catch the eye of the big boys and open a bunch of FBS doors.

 

[Griz!ron]

It's not just a coaching issue, it's the economics of Montana.

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[Griz!ron]

Why isn't there someone out there advocating for a raise for my job! A blog, a brisk forum debate, something!!

 

[PolskiNorsk]

Urban Meyer used Utah as a stepping stone. He went 22-2 in two seasons, and I think the Ute fans are fine with how that all went down.

The point is this: it would be foolish to pass over the next great head coach for one who just wants to settle down long-term for a fraction of the wealth and glory. If a coach really wants to stay at an FCS program forever, it's only because he's already given up on accomplishing bigger things. That's not the guy we should want.

 

[kemajic]

Urban Meyer used Utah as a stepping stone. He went 22-2 in two seasons, and I think the Ute fans are fine with how that all went down.

The point is this: it would be foolish to pass over the next great head coach for one who just wants to settle down long-term for a fraction of the wealth and glory. If a coach really wants to stay at an FCS program forever, it's only because he's already given up on accomplishing bigger things. That's not the guy we should want.

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[monte is a character]

Amongst the many threads regarding the potential new coach for the Griz, I've been hearing a common concern. Some posters have mentioned that they don't want to see the Griz stuck in 'coaching carousel' cycle of replacing a coach that exits to greener pastures every few years. In reality, I'd take a new coach every three years so long as we win, versus a coach for the next ten years that never produces a championship. I feel like we need to recognize that we are a stepping stone, and we should embrace that. We have a lot to offer a up-and-coming coach who's looking to get some exposure. And we can benefit mutually. Get the best possible coach that we can get, regardeless of his longterm plans.

I agree with this post......

 

[Umista]

I agree we need to get the best coach that puts us in the win side of things and will get some flair back into our program. My guess is that a damn good coach will stay about five seasons before moving on.

The other side of the coin is Robin Selvig. He is one of a kind. If we were lucky enough to get a stud like him I would simply love it. He had plenty of chances to leave but has made a very good life out of living in poor old Msla.!

 

[GrizGuy]

Urban Meyer used Utah as a stepping stone. He went 22-2 in two seasons, and I think the Ute fans are fine with how that all went down.

The point is this: it would be foolish to pass over the next great head coach for one who just wants to settle down long-term for a fraction of the wealth and glory. If a coach really wants to stay at an FCS program forever, it's only because he's already given up on accomplishing bigger things. That's not the guy we should want.

You had me until the last two sentences. But may I put a twist on that to add that there "might" be a coach out there who would want to just keep winning at this level and retire..? And we "would" want that guy... A guy like that was at Grambling for more than a few years if I recall correctly... Just saying.. I think you're right that we want the best coach available and shouldn't worry about how long he intends to stay at UM.

 

[Ursa Major]

Urban Meyer used Utah as a stepping stone. He went 22-2 in two seasons, and I think the Ute fans are fine with how that all went down.

The point is this: it would be foolish to pass over the next great head coach for one who just wants to settle down long-term for a fraction of the wealth and glory. If a coach really wants to stay at an FCS program forever, it's only because he's already given up on accomplishing bigger things. That's not the guy we should want.

You had me until the last two sentences. But may I put a twist on that to add that there "might" be a coach out there who would want to just keep winning at this level and retire..? And we "would" want that guy... A guy like that was at Grambling for more than a few years if I recall correctly... Just saying.. I think you're right that we want the best coach available and shouldn't worry about how long he intends to stay at UM.

Jerry Moore, ASU.

 

[GrizGuy]

Urban Meyer used Utah as a stepping stone. He went 22-2 in two seasons, and I think the Ute fans are fine with how that all went down.

The point is this: it would be foolish to pass over the next great head coach for one who just wants to settle down long-term for a fraction of the wealth and glory. If a coach really wants to stay at an FCS program forever, it's only because he's already given up on accomplishing bigger things. That's not the guy we should want.

You had me until the last two sentences. But may I put a twist on that to add that there "might" be a coach out there who would want to just keep winning at this level and retire..? And we "would" want that guy... A guy like that was at Grambling for more than a few years if I recall correctly... Just saying.. I think you're right that we want the best coach available and shouldn't worry about how long he intends to stay at UM.

Jerry Moore, ASU.

Is that who fits my description? I really don't know much about him. EDIT! I automatically assumed you meant Arizona State.. Duh. That Jerry Moore. Yes, he was terrific at Appalachian. That kind of guy.

 

[PolskiNorsk]

Urban Meyer used Utah as a stepping stone. He went 22-2 in two seasons, and I think the Ute fans are fine with how that all went down.

The point is this: it would be foolish to pass over the next great head coach for one who just wants to settle down long-term for a fraction of the wealth and glory. If a coach really wants to stay at an FCS program forever, it's only because he's already given up on accomplishing bigger things. That's not the guy we should want.

You had me until the last two sentences. But may I put a twist on that to add that there "might" be a coach out there who would want to just keep winning at this level and retire..? And we "would" want that guy... A guy like that was at Grambling for more than a few years if I recall correctly... Just saying.. I think you're right that we want the best coach available and shouldn't worry about how long he intends to stay at UM.

Jerry Moore, ASU.

Is that who fits my description? I really don't know much about him. EDIT! I automatically assumed you meant Arizona State.. Duh. That Jerry Moore. Yes, he was terrific at Appalachian. That kind of guy.

Moore coached at App State for 16 years before reaching the FCS championship, and his teams missed the playoffs six times in that stretch. In egriz years, that's about 9,000 "fire the coach" threads before winning a championship. A great hire, combined with the new facilities, could make UM a top contnder by at least year 3.

As for Eddie Robinson, that was a totally different era. No major schools whatsoever were hiring black head coaches when Robinson was in his prime. The first one in Division I-A was Willie Jeffries in 1979 at Wichita State -- which hardly qualifies as "major" -- and then there was Dennis Green at Northwestern in 1981. So Robinson's options were, you might say, limited.

 

[Spanky]

Only one way......conduct a national search! We don't know at this point who may be interested. Hopefully, Haslam will resist the pressure to do otherwise.

 

[grizpack]

We absolutely should hope that our coaches are here for 3-5 years, and then hired away by a bigger program!