Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

[PlayerRep]

I don't buy it taking 3 years to institute his system and get the right players.

As someone who religiously follows all of college football, and the coaching carousel that ensues after every season I can tell you that it takes a minimum of three years before a new coach has the ability to fully install his system, culture and recruiting base. Unless you are Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh and can literally get near NFL talent out of 50% of their recruiting class each year its going to take time. I have heard countless amounts of coaches, analysts and former players speak to this very point. It may have appeared that the team Stitt inherited was plenty talented, and to some degree that is factual. But the fact also remains that the players to fit his system in large part were not there, and the ones that did fit had little or no depth behind them.

Stitt has been to some degree handcuffed with scholarship reductions, and a scandal that predated his tenure that was reputational nightmare both in athletics and academics. I commend him for what he has done with recruiting, getting both quality athletes, but good students an people alike. Gone are the days where a Montana coach can offer a scholarship to any decent athlete and hope his character is good. A UM football recruits character needs to be verified as good now before they will offer him a scholarship, where as for example, in the Hauck days, the roster has several questionable people on it. I attended school and was around a lot of those people outside of the public eye in a college setting and they weren't all bad seeds, but there were plenty of guys who did not conduct themselves in an appropriate way and believe me when I say there was a lot more opportunity for the UM program to be embarrassed. Saw it with my own eyes.

I guess my point is that things are different now. UM coaches are facing new and different challenges than they did even five years ago, yet there is a part of our fan base who still thinks things are no different than 2001 and expect the team, no matter the coach to fall in line and have the same success. This is the season Griz fans should really start to see what we are in for. We have loads of seasoned players due to playing so many young guys the past two seasons, a QB that is a legit running threat (unlike BG) and gone is last years senior class who was they main contributor to the locker room problem (mostly one player).

Good post, even though I don't agree with all of it, including the premise that it takes 3 years at a minimum. Coaches are often not given 3 years, at a minimum, to take a successful program back to the top, or near the top. It's not that Stitt took over a nothing program and had to turn around. In this day and age, in many programs, coaches are expected to be almost immediately successful.

And, how do you explain the collapse in the last half of last season? That wasn't a good sign for the future. And, do you think 6-5 and no playoffs are okay for a 2d year coach?

And, can you identify who Stitt recruited for his system, that most any other UM coach would not have recruited?

 

[reinell30]

Stitt will be our coach for years to come! He will lead this team into the playoffs this year on a deep run! After this season, all the Stitt haters will be begging Kent Haslem to raise his salary so he doesn't vault to FBS school!

Go Griz!

 

[RayWill]

Stitt will be our coach for years to come! He will lead this team into the playoffs this year on a deep run! After this season, all the Stitt haters will be begging Kent Haslem to raise his salary so he doesn't vault to FBS school!

Go Griz!

Well if it happens then Yes a lot of us will eat crow. Not likely but i would love it if it did.

 

[ari gold]

I don't buy it taking 3 years to institute his system and get the right players.

As someone who religiously follows all of college football, and the coaching carousel that ensues after every season I can tell you that it takes a minimum of three years before a new coach has the ability to fully install his system, culture and recruiting base. Unless you are Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh and can literally get near NFL talent out of 50% of their recruiting class each year its going to take time. I have heard countless amounts of coaches, analysts and former players speak to this very point. It may have appeared that the team Stitt inherited was plenty talented, and to some degree that is factual. But the fact also remains that the players to fit his system in large part were not there, and the ones that did fit had little or no depth behind them.

Stitt has been to some degree handcuffed with scholarship reductions, and a scandal that predated his tenure that was reputational nightmare both in athletics and academics. I commend him for what he has done with recruiting, getting both quality athletes, but good students an people alike. Gone are the days where a Montana coach can offer a scholarship to any decent athlete and hope his character is good. A UM football recruits character needs to be verified as good now before they will offer him a scholarship, where as for example, in the Hauck days, the roster has several questionable people on it. I attended school and was around a lot of those people outside of the public eye in a college setting and they weren't all bad seeds, but there were plenty of guys who did not conduct themselves in an appropriate way and believe me when I say there was a lot more opportunity for the UM program to be embarrassed. Saw it with my own eyes.

I guess my point is that things are different now. UM coaches are facing new and different challenges than they did even five years ago, yet there is a part of our fan base who still thinks things are no different than 2001 and expect the team, no matter the coach to fall in line and have the same success. This is the season Griz fans should really start to see what we are in for. We have loads of seasoned players due to playing so many young guys the past two seasons, a QB that is a legit running threat (unlike BG) and gone is last years senior class who was they main contributor to the locker room problem (mostly one player).

Good post, even though I don't agree with all of it, including the premise that it takes 3 years at a minimum. Coaches are often not given 3 years, at a minimum, to take a successful program back to the top, or near the top. It's not that Stitt took over a nothing program and had to turn around. In this day and age, in many programs, coaches are expected to be almost immediately successful.

And, how do you explain the collapse in the last half of last season? That wasn't a good sign for the future. And, do you think 6-5 and no playoffs are okay for a 2d year coach?

And, can you identify who Stitt recruited for his system, that most any other UM coach would not have recruited?

I think part of the problem is that fans and athletic administrations have unrealistic expectations about how quickly a coach can turn a program into a winner. There have been so many coaches over the years in college football that had they been given one or two more years they would have had great success.

The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset. Morale on a team is huge, which I am confident you understand. It is important to a team, a workplace and any other group driven venture. When you have people that are actively destroying moral, it brings the whole group down almost exponentially. We have all been apart of something where there is one or a few people who bring everyone down. It sucks, and it makes you not even want to be there.

I wont go into a bunch of specifics on recruits as I simply just dont have that kind of time, at least today, but Stitt has really emphasized getting a bigger and more physical O-line as well as some very athletic skill position players. Protecting the QB and getting playmakers have been a priority, and I believe that will be very visible this season.

I, like you just want the team to succeed. Until he is no longer the Griz coach I am going to do what I can to support Stitt, as I believe the latter doesn't really do much to help the program. That is my philosophy and I know not everyone shares those beliefs, but I figure its better to support him than try and take him down (not saying that is what you are doing, just a general statement)

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I don't buy it taking 3 years to institute his system and get the right players.

As someone who religiously follows all of college football, and the coaching carousel that ensues after every season I can tell you that it takes a minimum of three years before a new coach has the ability to fully install his system, culture and recruiting base. Unless you are Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh and can literally get near NFL talent out of 50% of their recruiting class each year its going to take time. I have heard countless amounts of coaches, analysts and former players speak to this very point. It may have appeared that the team Stitt inherited was plenty talented, and to some degree that is factual. But the fact also remains that the players to fit his system in large part were not there, and the ones that did fit had little or no depth behind them.

Stitt has been to some degree handcuffed with scholarship reductions, and a scandal that predated his tenure that was reputational nightmare both in athletics and academics. I commend him for what he has done with recruiting, getting both quality athletes, but good students an people alike. Gone are the days where a Montana coach can offer a scholarship to any decent athlete and hope his character is good. A UM football recruits character needs to be verified as good now before they will offer him a scholarship, where as for example, in the Hauck days, the roster has several questionable people on it. I attended school and was around a lot of those people outside of the public eye in a college setting and they weren't all bad seeds, but there were plenty of guys who did not conduct themselves in an appropriate way and believe me when I say there was a lot more opportunity for the UM program to be embarrassed. Saw it with my own eyes.

I guess my point is that things are different now. UM coaches are facing new and different challenges than they did even five years ago, yet there is a part of our fan base who still thinks things are no different than 2001 and expect the team, no matter the coach to fall in line and have the same success. This is the season Griz fans should really start to see what we are in for. We have loads of seasoned players due to playing so many young guys the past two seasons, a QB that is a legit running threat (unlike BG) and gone is last years senior class who was they main contributor to the locker room problem (mostly one player).

Good post, even though I don't agree with all of it, including the premise that it takes 3 years at a minimum. Coaches are often not given 3 years, at a minimum, to take a successful program back to the top, or near the top. It's not that Stitt took over a nothing program and had to turn around. In this day and age, in many programs, coaches are expected to be almost immediately successful.

And, how do you explain the collapse in the last half of last season? That wasn't a good sign for the future. And, do you think 6-5 and no playoffs are okay for a 2d year coach?

And, can you identify who Stitt recruited for his system, that most any other UM coach would not have recruited?

I think part of the problem is that fans and athletic administrations have unrealistic expectations about how quickly a coach can turn a program into a winner. There have been so many coaches over the years in college football that had they been given one or two more years they would have had great success.

The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset. Morale on a team is huge, which I am confident you understand. It is important to a team, a workplace and any other group driven venture. When you have people that are actively destroying moral, it brings the whole group down almost exponentially. We have all been apart of something where there is one or a few people who bring everyone down. It sucks, and it makes you not even want to be there.

I wont go into a bunch of specifics on recruits as I simply just dont have that kind of time, at least today, but Stitt has really emphasized getting a bigger and more physical O-line as well as some very athletic skill position players. Protecting the QB and getting playmakers have been a priority, and I believe that will be very visible this season.

I, like you just want the team to succeed. Until he is no longer the Griz coach I am going to do what I can to support Stitt, as I believe the latter doesn't really do much to help the program. That is my philosophy and I know not everyone shares those beliefs, but I figure its better to support him than try and take him down (not saying that is what you are doing, just a general statement)

There are no shortage of people who want to be first in time both as bearers of bad news or prognosticators of failure. You will see a pattern in their posts regardless of UM's coach at the moment. This board was full of people who disliked Bobby, his players (thugs) and/or Bobby ball on offense. Remember, how he was bemoaned as a good coach that can't win the big one? Those inclined to negativity will head there no matter what this team does short of dethroning NDSU by being 6 time consecutive Champs.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

I don't buy it taking 3 years to institute his system and get the right players.

As someone who religiously follows all of college football, and the coaching carousel that ensues after every season I can tell you that it takes a minimum of three years before a new coach has the ability to fully install his system, culture and recruiting base. Unless you are Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh and can literally get near NFL talent out of 50% of their recruiting class each year its going to take time. I have heard countless amounts of coaches, analysts and former players speak to this very point. It may have appeared that the team Stitt inherited was plenty talented, and to some degree that is factual. But the fact also remains that the players to fit his system in large part were not there, and the ones that did fit had little or no depth behind them.

Stitt has been to some degree handcuffed with scholarship reductions, and a scandal that predated his tenure that was reputational nightmare both in athletics and academics. I commend him for what he has done with recruiting, getting both quality athletes, but good students an people alike. Gone are the days where a Montana coach can offer a scholarship to any decent athlete and hope his character is good. A UM football recruits character needs to be verified as good now before they will offer him a scholarship, where as for example, in the Hauck days, the roster has several questionable people on it. I attended school and was around a lot of those people outside of the public eye in a college setting and they weren't all bad seeds, but there were plenty of guys who did not conduct themselves in an appropriate way and believe me when I say there was a lot more opportunity for the UM program to be embarrassed. Saw it with my own eyes.

I guess my point is that things are different now. UM coaches are facing new and different challenges than they did even five years ago, yet there is a part of our fan base who still thinks things are no different than 2001 and expect the team, no matter the coach to fall in line and have the same success. This is the season Griz fans should really start to see what we are in for. We have loads of seasoned players due to playing so many young guys the past two seasons, a QB that is a legit running threat (unlike BG) and gone is last years senior class who was they main contributor to the locker room problem (mostly one player).

Good post, even though I don't agree with all of it, including the premise that it takes 3 years at a minimum. Coaches are often not given 3 years, at a minimum, to take a successful program back to the top, or near the top. It's not that Stitt took over a nothing program and had to turn around. In this day and age, in many programs, coaches are expected to be almost immediately successful.

And, how do you explain the collapse in the last half of last season? That wasn't a good sign for the future. And, do you think 6-5 and no playoffs are okay for a 2d year coach?

And, can you identify who Stitt recruited for his system, that most any other UM coach would not have recruited?

Can you tell me what coaches aren't given three years? And whos been fired after only 1-2 years? Three years is kind of a baseline. The expectation for coaches to be immediately successful is an insane and ridiculous expectation with the way football actually works.

Yeah, lack of depth and QBs making too many predicatable reads. Those scholarship reductions were going to bite the Griz in the ass one of these years.

Honestly, our 2018 headliner, Matt Robinson. He's a dual threat QB, but he's not big, he's fast. For Stitt, I think its all about speed with skill players.

 

[Grizzoola]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

 

[fanofzoo]

As a leader of a team you should work with what you came on board with. I know he wants to run "his" system but why that -or-the -highway approach. Adapt, use what you have to advance, blend in your system and before you know it....

or take the 3 year approach with not having "my guys"


PR you are right

 

[ari gold]

... The end of last season was tough, and I firmly believe that had we had a senior class that had more people who cared about the team more than they cared about themselves the locker room morale would have been vastly different. Not trying to throw any one player under the bus, but some of the guys who should have been the teams biggest leaders were some of the biggest culprits in bringing the team down, to a point where there is only so much that coaches can do to get them right and ready to have a winning mindset.....

Thanks for this insight into last season's collapse. Sometimes I think eGriz threads sound like old women in a knitting circle: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

I really wish those seniors would have been able to bring the team together rather than divide them. I think that would have translated to more team success, and most definitely a win in the Griz/Cat game. Here'd to a new year and a team that hopefully is more about "team" than themselves.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

As a leader of a team you should work with what you came on board with. I know he wants to run "his" system but why that -or-the -highway approach. Adapt, use what you have to advance, blend in your system and before you know it....

or take the 3 year approach with not having "my guys"


PR you are right

Because he's the head coach and for the time being, its his program. This isn't a "Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin" kind of deal where the coach needs to come in and fit the school's system. And at Montana, the program's system got the school into some hot water, so it needed to change. And like everything else in football, that kind of change can't happen overnight. It takes a few years.

 

[ari gold]

As a leader of a team you should work with what you came on board with. I know he wants to run "his" system but why that -or-the -highway approach. Adapt, use what you have to advance, blend in your system and before you know it....

or take the 3 year approach with not having "my guys"


PR you are right

Because he's the head coach and for the time being, its his program. This isn't a "Barry Alvarez @ Wisconsin" kind of deal where the coach needs to come in and fit the school's system. And at Montana, the program's system got the school into some hot water, so it needed to change. And like everything else in football, that kind of change can't happen overnight. It takes a few years.

Very well said. To truly get the program on the right track and on pace for long term success it was always going to take time. No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

 

[UMGriz75]

Just in case anyone thinks one of the Moderators is NOT trying to censor the eGriz forums in order to shut down experienced collegiate football people that disagree with HIM:

Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

Post by Paytonlives » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 pm
Its time to give it a rest... some of you have been beating this drum since the day he stepped on campus... a personal agenda to flood this board with anti Stitt rhetoric. And its getting old. ...

Factually, I think this is overtly false. Why lie? If it's true, name some names. What did they say?

Let me first say, I am not a Stitt fan or Detractor. I think the proof if in this years season.

But I have been around coaches and coaching my whole life and some of you are just plain spoiled in the way you think and act.

Looking the amount of BS that is being spun on their board about Coach Stitt is beyond belief. ....
Also for all of you Chicken Littles the sky is not falling, Stitt was able to coaches the list above to winning seasons.... I have watched the recruiting process at UM for a very long time and the last two recruiting classes are at least on paper as good as the Griz have had. Understand me clearly, when you look at the senior HS films these classes are really really good. Dosen't always translate but I would rather be in that position then hoping some unknowns/ long shots make a big difference.

News Flash: the "Senior High School Films" ONLY show their best performances ... in high school, at ages 17 and 18. Stitt coaches the Griz to two winning seasons? And then you complain that Griz Nation is too impatient? Are you even trying to make sense? Did you miss the last half of the most recent season entirely?

He has also brought in some very very good transfers mostly on the DLine, and recruited some huge OL players and very tall fast WR's

Good players translate into good plays.

Just relax and let the season work these things out... and in December of 2017 it will be perfectly clear if Stitt is the coach that UM should keep.

If things don't improve this fall you are probably right, but I have a feeling UM is in for an exceptional year.

In other words “shut up” people who disagree with ME, the Moderator, WE are here to make ME happy by pandering to my immediate psychological needs.

Re: Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

Post by Paytonlives » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:40 pm
Look my simple summation.

This is Stitts third year. He had to implement his Offense with guys that can run it. That does not happen over night. He has had two fantastic recruiting classes (20017 & 2016), and a fairly good class in 2015, considering that he only had 7 weeks to get and sign them.

He had coaches and players (and fans) that did not buy in to his philosophy, and those coaches and players are now gone. (Would be nice if those fans left also).
....

So hopefully fans on Egriz can put down their agendas and get behind this team and its coach... Its great to debate and argue during the offseason... But here is one fan that hopes this offseason ends soon.

Buckle up Griz fans, my opinion is these Griz have a chance to be really good.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a ham-handed attempt to censor a public sport forum by a biased moderator.

If you can’t tolerate dissent and honest criticism, give up the charade of being a “moderator” and let someone else more temperamentally inclined to handle issues obviously important to the sport community.

“Shut up!” because it hurts your tender feelings and out-sized biases isn’t it.

It’s called the ugly thing that it is: censorship and opinion manipulation of a matter of routine importance to a collegiate sports forum.

Grow up.

 

[Grizrule16]

I also don't get all the negative comments regarding Stitt. What do all of you Stitt haters want to do? Keep a revolving door until we find the guy that can take us to the chipper in his first year or two? How long will that take? Take a look at the programs that have a revolving coaching door and see how successful they are. We don't need to make the University of Montana a place where highly qualified coaches are afraid to come to because they will be expected to win in a year or two or be replaced. Show a little patience and let things fall into place. If in another year or two we aren't performing at a high level then is the time for hard decisions, not now. Take a look at Youngstown State. They had their own streak of playoff drought yet they continued to stay the course for a few years. They made a coaching change in the last year or two and found themselves deep in the playoffs with a great coach named Bo Pelini. I am certain Bo would not have taken the job if he felt he only had two years to get something done. Instead he knew that he would be given a fair chance like his predecessor was. All coaches know that if you aren't winning after four or five season that you will be in the hot seat. Please lay off Stitt and let him build his program.

 

[ari gold]

I also don't get all the negative comments regarding Stitt. What do all of you Stitt haters want to do? Keep a revolving door until we find the guy that can take us to the chipper in his first year or two? How long will that take? Take a look at the programs that have a revolving coaching door and see how successful they are. We don't need to make the University of Montana a place where highly qualified coaches are afraid to come to because they will be expected to win in a year or two or be replaced. Show a little patience and let things fall into place. If in another year or two we aren't performing at a high level then is the time for hard decisions, not now. Take a look at Youngstown State. They had their own streak of playoff drought yet they continued to stay the course for a few years. They made a coaching change in the last year or two and found themselves deep in the playoffs with a great coach named Bo Pelini. I am certain Bo would not have taken the job if he felt he only had two years to get something done. Instead he knew that he would be given a fair chance like his predecessor was. All coaches know that if you aren't winning after four or five season that you will be in the hot seat. Please lay off Stitt and let him build his program.

+1

 

[sdk.catfish]

by ari gold » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:27 am

No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

I'd be a lot more on board with this if there was some realization that "unrealistic" works both ways. Now we seem to have locked and moderated threads where only one side of unrealistic is encouraged. Apparently it is ok to tout expectations that if Stitt just has a few more years he will take us to the promised land but not ok to point out certain facts like he never took his D2 team to a national championship nor did he ever have a sterling playoff record at Mines. Since most coaches never really achieve the type of success that some on this board are so certain is to be Stitt's fate, it seems to me that those type of posts should undergo the same criticism that posts even mildly critical (some would say realistic) seem to attract.

 

[UMGriz75]

All coaches know that if you aren't winning after four or five season that you will be in the hot seat. Please lay off Stitt and let him build his program.

A sad lament, implying a result that does not often happen.

In his Missoulian "apologia," Stitt was better than his adrenal-infused "defenders."

One thing Griz Nation can appreciate, Coach Stitt is more honest than his alleged "fans."

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/stitt-takes-blame-for-disappointing-griz-football-season/article_5d8a80ec-4656-5b31-8a68-5fa2bd7831de.html

With a half-dozen cameras rolling and a horde of reporters and nearly the entire Montana athletic department front office present, Stitt began trying to explain Montana's disappointing football season.

Stitt faced the firing squad for a half hour and accepted blame for the Grizzlies' eighth-place finish in the Big Sky Conference – a 6-5 campaign that stalled after a promising 5-1 start – and the team's exclusion from the FCS playoffs.

"There's a lot of reasons why things don't go right but ultimately it's me," said Stitt, the Grizzlies' second-year head coach. "It's me. I've got to get it done."

Stitt discussed his plans for a rebound season in 2017. Between now and Sept. 2, 2017, when the Griz kick off against Valparaiso at home, Stitt said he and his staff will reassess everything about the program.

A considerably different opinion than you get here from "fans."

I can wish him luck for his honesty and appropriate reality-based perspective.

"I've done a lot of thinking and soul searching and we're going to look at every little aspect of what we do," Stitt said. "Me as a manager managing them and every aspect of the program.

"... Internally it eats at me and eats at me and eats at me. I cannot sleep at night and I cannot enjoy anything unless our players are successful.

 

[jcglfer]

I also don't get all the negative comments regarding Stitt. What do all of you Stitt haters want to do? Keep a revolving door until we find the guy that can take us to the chipper in his first year or two? How long will that take? Take a look at the programs that have a revolving coaching door and see how successful they are. We don't need to make the University of Montana a place where highly qualified coaches are afraid to come to because they will be expected to win in a year or two or be replaced. Show a little patience and let things fall into place. If in another year or two we aren't performing at a high level then is the time for hard decisions, not now. Take a look at Youngstown State. They had their own streak of playoff drought yet they continued to stay the course for a few years. They made a coaching change in the last year or two and found themselves deep in the playoffs with a great coach named Bo Pelini. I am certain Bo would not have taken the job if he felt he only had two years to get something done. Instead he knew that he would be given a fair chance like his predecessor was. All coaches know that if you aren't winning after four or five season that you will be in the hot seat. Please lay off Stitt and let him build his program.

I don't like a revolving door for a head coach but if you have the wrong coach, you need to cut the rope. I feel like they've progressively gotten worse since his 1st day on the job...it should be the other way around. When the O is stymied early, he has no counter/adjustments. When the other team makes adjustments, he doesn't have a counter to that either.

Take UW/Petersen: He woefully underachieved his first season with a lot of NFL talent but the team improved as the season progressed...same as season 2. Season 3, it all clicked. Stitt is going to have to show some promise this season.

 

[ari gold]

by ari gold » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:27 am

No coach was going to come into the UM program and immediately take it back to a perennial national title contender in their first or second season. That notion is unbelievably unrealistic, which is probably the reason we had people in the Griz fan base think that. We have awesome fans, but being unrealistic is basically a prerequisite of being a Griz fan it seems like.

I'd be a lot more on board with this if there was some realization that "unrealistic" works both ways. Now we seem to have locked and moderated threads where only one side of unrealistic is encouraged. Apparently it is ok to tout expectations that if Stitt just has a few more years he will take us to the promised land but not ok to point out certain facts like he never took his D2 team to a national championship nor did he ever have a sterling playoff record at Mines. Since most coaches never really achieve the type of success that some on this board are so certain is to be Stitt's fate, it seems to me that those type of posts should undergo the same criticism that posts even mildly critical (some would say realistic) seem to attract.

I think what he accomplished Mines was commendable given the type of athletes you have to recruit there. Given their rigid academic requirements I'd wager he had to pass on quite a bit of talent because they academically could not be admitted there. The fact that he did as well as he did given that handcuff I personally find pretty amazing.

 

[Mavman]

I agree Payton should not have closed the threads. I do however understand his frustration with what can be viewed as a anti-stitt sentiment on this board.
I think we may all agree on the fact that we would like to see the Griz beat the cats and make playoffs every year and that the last four games of the season were concerning. Why and how seem to be the biggest difference between posters.
I like to hear what posters have to say about their concerns and what they feel need to be addressed, I however get tired of the posters who just post negative things about Stitt and seem to hope he fails this year as to bring in another coach.
I hope Stitt has a great year and also believe that him and his staff staying a few more years will be great for the programs long term stability.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Just in case anyone thinks one of the Moderators is NOT trying to censor the eGriz forums in order to shut down experienced collegiate football people that disagree with HIM:

Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

Post by Paytonlives » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:17 pm
Its time to give it a rest... some of you have been beating this drum since the day he stepped on campus... a personal agenda to flood this board with anti Stitt rhetoric. And its getting old. ...

Factually, I think this is overtly false. Why lie? If it's true, name some names. What did they say?

Let me first say, I am not a Stitt fan or Detractor. I think the proof if in this years season.

But I have been around coaches and coaching my whole life and some of you are just plain spoiled in the way you think and act.

Looking the amount of BS that is being spun on their board about Coach Stitt is beyond belief. ....
Also for all of you Chicken Littles the sky is not falling, Stitt was able to coaches the list above to winning seasons.... I have watched the recruiting process at UM for a very long time and the last two recruiting classes are at least on paper as good as the Griz have had. Understand me clearly, when you look at the senior HS films these classes are really really good. Dosen't always translate but I would rather be in that position then hoping some unknowns/ long shots make a big difference.

News Flash: the "Senior High School Films" ONLY show their best performances ... in high school, at ages 17 and 18. Stitt coaches the Griz to two winning seasons? And then you complain that Griz Nation is too impatient? Are you even trying to make sense? Did you miss the last half of the most recent season entirely?

He has also brought in some very very good transfers mostly on the DLine, and recruited some huge OL players and very tall fast WR's

Good players translate into good plays.

Just relax and let the season work these things out... and in December of 2017 it will be perfectly clear if Stitt is the coach that UM should keep.

If things don't improve this fall you are probably right, but I have a feeling UM is in for an exceptional year.

In other words “shut up” people who disagree with ME, the Moderator, WE are here to make ME happy by pandering to my immediate psychological needs.

Re: Coach Stitt (Combined threads)

Post by Paytonlives » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:40 pm
Look my simple summation.

This is Stitts third year. He had to implement his Offense with guys that can run it. That does not happen over night. He has had two fantastic recruiting classes (20017 & 2016), and a fairly good class in 2015, considering that he only had 7 weeks to get and sign them.

He had coaches and players (and fans) that did not buy in to his philosophy, and those coaches and players are now gone. (Would be nice if those fans left also).
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So hopefully fans on Egriz can put down their agendas and get behind this team and its coach... Its great to debate and argue during the offseason... But here is one fan that hopes this offseason ends soon.

Buckle up Griz fans, my opinion is these Griz have a chance to be really good.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a ham-handed attempt to censor a public sport forum by a biased moderator.

If you can’t tolerate dissent and honest criticism, give up the charade of being a “moderator” and let someone else more temperamentally inclined to handle issues obviously important to the sport community.

“Shut up!” because it hurts your tender feelings and out-sized biases isn’t it.

It’s called the ugly thing that it is: censorship and opinion manipulation of a matter of routine importance to a collegiate sports forum.

Grow up.

You're pissed off because you seem unable to convince the majority/establishment that you are right. You're pissed off because the people in charge are tired of your incessant whining, and actually did something about it.

You need to grow up.