Central Ty Gregorak discussion thread

[UMGriz75]

How about you two take your 'pitching vs. catching' debate elsewhere? I hate having to log in to avoid reading your pissing match in every thread. If you could, that would be great. Mkay? Or not. Whatever. Carry on.

This thread's a good example. I was addressing, factually, the contention that "all" schools evaluate scholarships annually. He wasn't in the conversation. Then he butts in, tries to say I said something I didn't say, lies about the postings, and creates yet another artificial dispute. Just blatant lies.

He does it on thread after thread. As I pointed out, this thread is a typical example. I wasn't talking to him about anything, but he can't "let go" of an embarrassment weeks ago, and apparently is a compulsive liar to boot. Here he is again. Same story.

He apparently feels the need. I don't, but when someone is as willing to lie and distort conversations as he is ... it's a colossal waste of time, for everybody, I agree. He doesn't agree. He feels the need ....

This is the last one....

As I "attempted" to point out on another thread, this is wrong, and currently among one of the most volatile controversies in college sports. Several schools do now offer four year scholarships; precisely to out-recruit schools that recruit and then cut promising athletes because of coaching "changes" that have nothing to do with the competitor's abilities. The kids want protection from that.

The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), Big Ten Conference (B1G), Big 12 Conference, Pacific-12 Conference (Pac-12), and Southeastern Conference (SEC), all now offer four year schollies. "Between 2002-2011, 99.3% of the top 100 football recruits in the nation chose teams in the power conferences. Historically, over 90% of football teams that finish in the top 25 rankings and over 90% of the basketball teams that make it to the Final Four are from the power conferences."

where exactly in this post...the one I commented on....does any of this info relate directly to Montana, the BSC, or an equivalent conference.....because that was my question.....you are throwing out the Big 5 conferences as your reasoning why what Montana is doing is wrong....but you are comparing apples to oranges..

Because the post I was responding to said this:

bgbigdog wrote:
Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

See how I responded to what he actually said, and kept it directly on point?

See how hard that was?

And used actual facts instead of needing to lie about what the poster actually posted?

And you turned it into another two page diatribe of what I "meant" or what I "really said," etc etc. because you always need to strike down what someone didn't say, because you are incompetent to deal with what they actually did say.

Tell you what, simply don't respond to my posts that have nothing to do with you, and everyone will obviously be much happier at not have to read your distended crap.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

TG and Bob Stitt was an uneasy peace from Day One.He was not one of Stitt's guys. Stitt probably kept TG on staff because somebody asked him too. There was obviously some season long tension. Ty knew he was on the "outside looking in". He jumped at a fresh opportunity at MSU. For self preservation purposes, I can't say that I blame him......

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Whatever.

I know nothing of the specifics of the situation but if any of the comments on here are accurate then it is reasonable to assume some of the following may have prompted this change;

A) As a new coach Stitt was obligated to retain Ty for some continuity. He may want his own guy.
B) If there was tension (likely) then each may have been wanting a change anyway.
C) Ty's wife just got a job in Bozeman. This could explain his jumping over to little brother.
D) Coach Choate needs huge instant help. Finding a decent D coach with Big Sky experience is huge.
E) Despite the talk, Choate doesn't have MT connections (beyond playing at Western). Ty does.
F) Cat's defense was worst in the nation. IF TY DOES ANYTHING HE WILL LOOK GOLDEN.
G) Ty probably got a pay raise and a great resume builder showing he can turn a defense around.

Gregorak did a good job in Missoula and always had a decent defense. On the other hand he also had some exceptional talent. With this he consistently fielded a good defense but not a great one. I hope he does well in Bozeman. I expect he will make their D respectable again. This will help him if he wants to climb the coaching ladder.

Ty is a good coach and I'm sorry to see him go, especially to Bozeman. Yet as I began this post, "Whatever".
I think what I'll miss most is the guy's passion on the sidelines. I'm confident we will find another defensive coordinator who can take the talent on the Grizzlies sideline and field a solid defense.

1982 hits on a great point. Ty has a new(er) wife, who played for the Cats. (Did I see someone say she just took a job there?) Ty has already gone through a divorce. This may have a lot to do with it. Happy Wife = Happier Life???

Not sure if it was the cause, as I have heard the rumors of friction too (caused by both sides). But it was probably a factor, especially if she just got a job there.

Cat wife..shitty life!

Wow. Classy. Do you know her personally? Eat a bag of dicks you douchebag.

Woooooaaahhh. I didn't know Gregorak had an egriz account. Take your meds bud.

 

[runcatchscore]

My verdict is still out on Stitt. Ty was well liked by the players. Stitt may really be hurting our recruiting by axing students on schollies and getting rid of popular coaches. Yes, you can argue he is giving the money to other players, who may be "better". But if I am FCS recruit, and I have to decide between two++ schools offering me a scholarship, I would probably take the safer school where I don't have to worry that my scholarship is going to be cut. Stitt's reputation of not being very warm with players may also hurt potential recruits. Now he is getting rid of a popular coach who helped them have a winning season. Not sure this is the best idea even if Ty probably wanted to move to be near his wife. I think Stitt needs to realize he can be a kind leader and still respected.

I think you don't know Stitt.

Or how programs are run and scholarships doled out. Every school evaluates scholarship athletes every season. Nothing is guaranteed to anyone.

Not true. Some current players were signed with the understanding of 5 year schollies that could have gone elsewhere.

 

[doc3kgt]

I agree - I think it was after the Weber State loss when Stitt said the defense needed to be able to shut out teams like WSU, then it was clear there was chemistry issues. Add in Gregorak's wife in Bozeman, and Choate's FBS experience and contacts and this move makes a lot of sense for Gregorak. I thought Gregorak was a good coach, but I am also excited to have the Head Coach and D-Coordinator on the same page.

If he thinks the cat job is a stepping stone to bigger and better...wow, talk about a lack of judgment.

Actually, not so far-fetched as you seem to think...

Tell us the route to bigger and better. Wasn't hired at UM for HC job. Stayed on with Stitt. Tension for obvious reasons. Stitt coached around him. Ty goes to state. State does not have - and will not produce a defense better than the Griz. Helps Ty how?

MSU is typically strong defensively. Despite being awful on Defense for the past two years, defense has been the strength and tradition at MSU. Choate is a defensive minded coach. Getting TG was a HUGE get for MSU. You are stupid to think that MSU can't put up a nasty defense in the future.

 

[grizatwork]

I don't know Stitt or Gregorak. Obviously they couldn't make it work. Fine. Both programs move on. Time will tell where they end up. Best of luck to all. It is just a game and if your self esteem is damaged based upon any of this, then I feel sorry for you.

 

[George Ferguson]

There are very few on this board that would disagree this is a huge get for the Cats. As I said earlier, short term, I think this hurts the Griz more than it helps MSU. Longterm, if Ty stays, I think the Cats will return to having a championship defense. It just won't be next year, no matter how good TG is.

Yes, I know a select few, AG1, Growler and few others think Ty sucks but, I don't think that's the majority. I just find it hilarious how HUGE of a get this was according to MSU fans when for at least the four years he was DC, he was ripped to shreds on BN. He was called dirty, classless and no matter what kind of numbers his defenses put up, BN posters would never admit the Griz had a really good D, UNTIL TODAY. lmfao. Now, all of a sudden, according to some on BN, the Griz' D was ALL WORLD the last four years lol. OH the irony.

Well, I won't go back on anything. I hate to see TG go, I think the Griz' defenses under him were awesome, and him wearing a Bobcat hat with his taped knucks next year doesn't change that. Best of luck TG.

 

[garizzalies]

Know what all you TG supporters sound like?

Bobcat fans.

 

[grizindabox]

Know what all you TG supporters sound like?

Bobcat fans.

I was never a huge TG fan....but you just sound bitter...

 

[garizzalies]

2011 Griz D ranked: 26th
2012 Griz D ranked: 66th
2013 Griz D ranked: 56th
2014 Grix D ranked: 39th
2015 Griz D ranked: 57th

The highest ranking was breske's last year, right?

 

[1972]

That is right, Breske was the DC in 2011.

2011 Griz D ranked: 26th
2012 Griz D ranked: 66th
2013 Griz D ranked: 56th
2014 Grix D ranked: 39th
2015 Griz D ranked: 57th

The highest ranking was breske's last year, right?

 

[stubbins]

There are very few on this board that would disagree this is a huge get for the Cats. As I said earlier, short term, I think this hurts the Griz more than it helps MSU. Longterm, if Ty stays, I think the Cats will return to having a championship defense. It just won't be next year, no matter how good TG is.

Yes, I know a select few, AG1, Growler and few others think Ty sucks but, I don't think that's the majority. I just find it hilarious how HUGE of a get this was according to MSU fans when for at least the four years he was DC, he was ripped to shreds on BN. He was called dirty, classless and no matter what kind of numbers his defenses put up, BN posters would never admit the Griz had a really good D, UNTIL TODAY. lmfao. Now, all of a sudden, according to some on BN, the Griz' D was ALL WORLD the last four years lol. OH the irony.

Well, I won't go back on anything. I hate to see TG go, I think the Griz' defenses under him were awesome, and him wearing a Bobcat hat with his taped knucks next year doesn't change that. Best of luck TG.

I think that everyone is ok with Ty moving on, which should tell you something. Won't find too many people saying he sucked, won't find too many people saying he was terrific. Most agree he was a bit above average. Which is where the defensive rankings suggest he was. Even with the Delaney, slow as molasses offense....and the athletes he had.

BTW, not a fan of defensive rankings. Not true analytics like baseball and basketball have evolved to. Football still uses antiquated stats that don't show the true picture...Sorry for that little rant.

The point....ah yes, the point is....Take him or leave him as a DC, is he ok? yes. Can we get someone better...absolutely yes.

Scat fans better get used to giving up one or two long runs per game, and holding their breath to see if the qb can connect with a receiver who got behind the defense at least 3 times a game...Oh, wait, they are used to that.

After a little bit of time to process, I'm stoked he chose to go to the scats...this is going to be fun.

Over/Under on scats wins next year...5.1, I'll go with the under, but just barely.

 

[griz=fun]

There are very few on this board that would disagree this is a huge get for the Cats. As I said earlier, short term, I think this hurts the Griz more than it helps MSU. Longterm, if Ty stays, I think the Cats will return to having a championship defense. It just won't be next year, no matter how good TG is.

Yes, I know a select few, AG1, Growler and few others think Ty sucks but, I don't think that's the majority. I just find it hilarious how HUGE of a get this was according to MSU fans when for at least the four years he was DC, he was ripped to shreds on BN. He was called dirty, classless and no matter what kind of numbers his defenses put up, BN posters would never admit the Griz had a really good D, UNTIL TODAY. lmfao. Now, all of a sudden, according to some on BN, the Griz' D was ALL WORLD the last four years lol. OH the irony.

Well, I won't go back on anything. I hate to see TG go, I think the Griz' defenses under him were awesome, and him wearing a Bobcat hat with his taped knucks next year doesn't change that. Best of luck TG.

Hypocrisy is funny, even though we all indulge from time to time.

I don't know football as well as most of you, but I suspect Stitt knows what he's doing. The guy seems talented enough to have moved way beyond D2 just last year. Maybe this was planned, maybe it wasn't. Either way, I'm sure he will put a quality product on the field next year. This is Montana football, consistently good over years.

Undoubtedly, this will have Cat fans beating their chests, because that's all they have..hope and speculation. They are at their best in the preseason.

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

It all comes down to

CHOATE > stitt

:shrug:

Hahahahahaha.........that made me laugh.....thanks for that........hahahahahahah. The circus at MSU saga numbah tooooooooo......u cat fans forget that once upon a time there was this thing at um called a football staff (pflugrad and co 2011) Said football staff disintegrated after a slew of negative shit......TG had his own slew of negative shit and came back to um to work at his previous position as a linebackers coach. At this point UM was really a bit of a shit show. It had a running backs coach as a head coach, a really good defensive coordinator with one foot out the door (breske) and a formidable offensive coordinator with one foot out the door as well (smith).........after both breske and smith leave, gregorak is promoted to defensive coordinator, a position for which he is under qualified, and a recievers coach (hyson) is promoted to co-offensive coordinator along with the previous assistant o-line coach (Gragg, who was not even the offensive line coach until bob beers quit and went back to the Texans in lieu of the Engstrom mess)....... So there you have it, CATS STOLE A LINEBACKERS COACH THAT WAS TURNED INTO A COORDINATOR!!!!!! Aaaaaaahahahahahahaha

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[stubbins]

There are very few on this board that would disagree this is a huge get for the Cats. As I said earlier, short term, I think this hurts the Griz more than it helps MSU. Longterm, if Ty stays, I think the Cats will return to having a championship defense. It just won't be next year, no matter how good TG is.

Yes, I know a select few, AG1, Growler and few others think Ty sucks but, I don't think that's the majority. I just find it hilarious how HUGE of a get this was according to MSU fans when for at least the four years he was DC, he was ripped to shreds on BN. He was called dirty, classless and no matter what kind of numbers his defenses put up, BN posters would never admit the Griz had a really good D, UNTIL TODAY. lmfao. Now, all of a sudden, according to some on BN, the Griz' D was ALL WORLD the last four years lol. OH the irony.

Well, I won't go back on anything. I hate to see TG go, I think the Griz' defenses under him were awesome, and him wearing a Bobcat hat with his taped knucks next year doesn't change that. Best of luck TG.

Hypocrisy is funny, even though we all indulge from time to time.

I don't know football as well as most of you, but I suspect Stitt knows what he's doing. The guy seems talented enough to have moved way beyond D2 just last year. Maybe this was planned, maybe it wasn't. Either way, I'm sure he will put a quality product on the field next year. This is Montana football, consistently good over years.

Undoubtedly, this will have Cat fans beating their chests, because that's all they have..hope and speculation. They are at their best in the preseason.

I haven't checked the latest poll....They are ranked pre season #1 already, I'm assuming?

 

[griz=fun]

There are very few on this board that would disagree this is a huge get for the Cats. As I said earlier, short term, I think this hurts the Griz more than it helps MSU. Longterm, if Ty stays, I think the Cats will return to having a championship defense. It just won't be next year, no matter how good TG is.

Yes, I know a select few, AG1, Growler and few others think Ty sucks but, I don't think that's the majority. I just find it hilarious how HUGE of a get this was according to MSU fans when for at least the four years he was DC, he was ripped to shreds on BN. He was called dirty, classless and no matter what kind of numbers his defenses put up, BN posters would never admit the Griz had a really good D, UNTIL TODAY. lmfao. Now, all of a sudden, according to some on BN, the Griz' D was ALL WORLD the last four years lol. OH the irony.

Well, I won't go back on anything. I hate to see TG go, I think the Griz' defenses under him were awesome, and him wearing a Bobcat hat with his taped knucks next year doesn't change that. Best of luck TG.

Hypocrisy is funny, even though we all indulge from time to time.

I don't know football as well as most of you, but I suspect Stitt knows what he's doing. The guy seems talented enough to have moved way beyond D2 just last year. Maybe this was planned, maybe it wasn't. Either way, I'm sure he will put a quality product on the field next year. This is Montana football, consistently good over years.

Undoubtedly, this will have Cat fans beating their chests, because that's all they have..hope and speculation. They are at their best in the preseason.

I haven't checked the latest poll....They are ranked pre season #1 already, I'm assuming?

:lol:

"One must never drive one's enemy to despair; it makes him strong. Gentleness is better politics, it saps virility. A good occupational force must never crush. It must corrupt."

 

[mikegriz]

Have to agree with your response GG75 - we have no reference to see if the next DC is better/worse/same at this point. I'm going to miss Ty and his passion - which is near impossible to replace, but it's not like he's the only DC out there that can get the job done.

TG = Traitor. Dead to me.

Meh, it's a business... I'm upset about it but I'll get over it. Breske coaches at Idaho who was/is an equally bitter rival and it doesn't phase me that much. Ty was a great guy for the program and I hope he does well... except when he coaches against the Griz.

MSU's first game next fall is against Idaho

At Idaho?

 

[doc3kgt]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ckidder44/status/676471068681375744[/tweet]

Very well put.

I couldn't agree more.

Says the kid on the team with less Montana players, ...self proclaimed "montana team"...lol, you guys are so deluded. Carry on

 

[garizzalies]

Addition by subtraction
Actually, this is better than addition by subtraction
This is addition by subtraction plus more addition
(We get the added benefit of our rival's D sucking for the foreseeable future)

 

[CDAGRIZ]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ckidder44/status/676471068681375744[/tweet]

Very well put.

I couldn't agree more.

Says the kid on the team with less Montana players, ...self proclaimed "montana team"...lol, you guys are so deluded. Carry on

Oh, I'm sorry, is State College The University of Montana? No? Just State College? OK. Cool. Thanks, and carry on.


*Also, it's "fewer" in that context; not "less." Keep driving trains (or whatever your engineering program trains people to do) and fucking up the English language. Thanks! :thumb: