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Cat Scrimmage

grizfan95 said:
Blgs Griz Fan said:
It's too bad JJ's career got hi jacked because I would have loved to watch him give DM another QB clinic. DM is a good QB but not smart enough to know when a play is over. Thus the DM epidemic of fumbles, safeties and picks. Even Ash took note of the turnover epidemic at one point. JJ in contrast knows when to get rid of the ball.
Cat fans need to remember that JJ and the Griz nearly beat SHSU just after SHSU made MSU look like a DII team.
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FWIW, the Griz also made Bozeman State look like a DII team.
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Key word "made."
 
bigsky33 said:
And the Cats have won two out of the last three meetings. DM has proved himself statistic wise and as a leader. JJ has yet to do that. Yes he had a few good games and he is a really good QB but hasn't acheived the levels yet of DM. He may do that his season but time will tell!
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This is true, but they have only won 4 of the last 27. (I'm not talking trash) but what are they gonna do when DM is gone?
 
jj showed improvement late in 2011, but needs to continue that before you can put him mcghee's league. hes not as consistent as dm thats for sure. shsu was smoking us also until we got that pick six right before half and they got conservative. jj and mcghee had nearly identical passing numbers that game. jj's qb rating is skewed greatly by the wsu game when they came to wgs with a bunch of starters out.

when mcghee came out his frosh year he lit things up right out of the gate and despite a handful of subpar games over his career he's continued to roll. jj had 1-2 decent games over his first six starts and the rest were weak. he had a couple really good games vs nau and wsu, but followed with three mediocre, at best, efforts vs wou, msu, and centark., then a really good game against uni and finished with a good all-around (he ran well) game vs shsu.
 
NLGrizFan said:
bigsky33 said:
And the Cats have won two out of the last three meetings. DM has proved himself statistic wise and as a leader. JJ has yet to do that. Yes he had a few good games and he is a really good QB but hasn't acheived the levels yet of DM. He may do that his season but time will tell!
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This is true, but they have only won 4 of the last 27. (I'm not talking trash) but what are they gonna do when DM is gone?
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Hopefully the same thing the Griz will do when JJ is gone. Move on.
 
Based on wins versus games played, JJ's record against the cats makes McGhee look DII. I pick JJ because he is fundamentally as sound as DM but he is tons more intelligence and knows when a play is over. McGhee does not have a clue that way and as a result has way too many turnovers.
Coach Hauck would bench DM for that and he would be running the M almost daily. The turnovers are a huge negative for McGhee and to deny that is just burying your head in the sand.
Just saying.
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Based on wins versus games played, JJ's record against the cats makes McGhee look DII. I pick JJ because he is fundamentally as sound as DM but he is tons more intelligence and knows when a play is over. McGhee does not have a clue that way and as a result has way too many turnovers.
Coach Hauck would bench DM for that and he would be running the M almost daily. The turnovers are a huge negative for McGhee and to deny that is just burying your head in the sand.
Just saying.
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speaking of d2.
 
Bobby Hauck made the cat program look like NAIA calber. Between Ash and Hauck? I'd chose Hauck because he can win in the playoffs. Ash, not so much. How many NFL level players has Ash developed?
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Based on wins versus games played, JJ's record against the cats makes McGhee look DII. I pick JJ because he is fundamentally as sound as DM but he is tons more intelligence and knows when a play is over. McGhee does not have a clue that way and as a result has way too many turnovers.
Coach Hauck would bench DM for that and he would be running the M almost daily. The turnovers are a huge negative for McGhee and to deny that is just burying your head in the sand.
Just saying.
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Your memory must be short. I recall a budding quarterback controversy for the early part of the 2011 season before JJ really came on strong and played some great football. I'll never forget the deflating, beautiful pass he landed in the South end zone in Cat/Griz 2011. It was a thing of tragic beauty. However, I do have to laugh at this "JJ has always been better than DeNarius" because of one half of a season.

DeNarius does have some idea of when a play was over. You might remember Cat/Griz 2012. He realized many plays weren't over and was able to extend drives on his own simply by refusing to give in to the vaunted Grizzly defensive line and linebacking corp.

No Cat fan denies that turnovers are a negative, but how huge is a matter of perspective. For every turnover he makes, there are at least 5 spectacular plays that make up for it, solely because of his athletic talent.

And yes, speaking of Coach Hauck, is he still at Montana? Who cares what he would do?
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Based on wins versus games played, JJ's record against the cats makes McGhee look DII. I pick JJ because he is fundamentally as sound as DM but he is tons more intelligence and knows when a play is over. McGhee does not have a clue that way and as a result has way too many turnovers.
Coach Hauck would bench DM for that and he would be running the M almost daily. The turnovers are a huge negative for McGhee and to deny that is just burying your head in the sand.
Just saying.
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You're entitled to your opinion BG, but many nationwide would disagree with your assessment. The Sports Network has an article on their site now, and DM is the very first player to watch mentioned. Read on...


Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - So many of us watched March turn mad with a lot of college basketball players who we didn't know well.
"The Fab Five" and "one-and-done" are terms that are synonymous with the way freshmen have come to rule the hardwoods. That scenario, of course, is not a staple across college football, where many freshmen step into a program and basically are redshirted upon arrival. Championship teams are often loaded with upperclassmen, and it's tough to beat having an experienced senior starting at quarterback. The class at football's most important position is dominated on the FCS level this season by seniors.
Here are the best going into the season:
Dual Threats
DeNarius McGhee, Montana State. Yes, he's still around. The thick built fourth-year starter has gained more yards (10,017 - 9,116 passing and 901 rushing) than any other returning quarterback in the FCS. Behind his lead, the Bobcats have won a share of three straight Big Sky titles. The three-time Walter Payton Award finalist should be dominant as a senior.

Just saying....
 
granitegriz said:
JP~you have so much Griz envy and hate it oozes out of you! Good for you, but the envy weakens the rivalry.
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Please explain why I would be at all envious over a 5-6 season. Go.
 
JP~I can't explain you, I can only read between the lines in every single one of your posts. Again, good for you and there is nothing wrong with that, but the little brother syndrome just weakens the rivalry.
 
what a stupid ass argument. both players seem to be pretty good. both are definitely the best options for our respective teams. here's something that'll blow you away though if you're really concerned about mcghee's picks in 1,123 passes.....

one guy has 31 picks in 38 games. the other guy has 9 picks in 17 games. and actually that guy had none in his first 4 starts so he has had 9 picks in his last 14 games. but that's not fair. we'll say 9 picks in 17 games. i'll let one of the mathmaticians here tell me what is worse....31 in 38 or 9 in 17...

so silly :oops:
 
ilovethecats said:
what a stupid ass argument. both players seem to be pretty good. both are definitely the best options for our respective teams. here's something that'll blow you away though if you're really concerned about mcghee's picks in 1,123 passes.....

one guy has 31 picks in 38 games. the other guy has 9 picks in 17 games. and actually that guy had none in his first 4 starts so he has had 9 picks in his last 14 games. but that's not fair. we'll say 9 picks in 17 games. i'll let one of the mathmaticians here tell me what is worse....31 in 38 or 9 in 17...

so silly :oops:
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Well if he continued at the 9 in 17 pace he would have 18 in 34 so actually 31 in 38 is quite a bit worse. Gotta add the fumbles in as well. ;)

But I agree its a dumb argument . Both QBs are solid and improve their respective teams.
 
Maynardsgametrail said:
Jerry Punch said:
granitegriz said:
JP~you have so much Griz envy and hate it oozes out of you! Good for you, but the envy weakens the rivalry.
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Please explain why I would be at all envious over a 5-6 season. Go.
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Because its better than going 0-11? :thumb:
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Dude, that was over 10 years ago. You guys have got to stop living in the past, bro.
 
Yeah? Well, my dad can beat up your dad! Um... wait,,, my dad has been dead
for 12 years....... Let me think....
 
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