Brock Coyle

[fencer24]

As to the kneelers, who exactly is in favor of shooting unarmed black men? But doing their protest during the national anthem is in direct descent from Kaepernik, who said he couldn't stand for a flag or a nation that oppressed black men.
Except it's the same flag that led to the bloodiest war in our history to end slavery, and was followed by the civil rights marchers to end Jim Crow and segregation. I am fine with protesting, but if you do it during the national anthem, you are throwing it in my face as a veteran. You disrespect the same flag that draped the coffins of my fellow soldiers when they are returned home after being ordered to go by their country.
If they did their kneeling before or after, it would be a lot better. But how about this - let's start a campaign to end the greatest cause of death of black men - other black men. We could take a knee right after the anthem as a sign of showing respect for the country and acknowledging we have to do more.
Win - win.

 

[kemajic]

As a 49er fan I am saddened by the release of a great linebacker in Navarro Bowman. But, as a Grizzly fan I am super stoked that his release paves the way for Griz standout Brock Coyle.

As a former 49er fan dating back to when Y.A. Tittle was the QB, I am saddened by their behavior re. the national anthem. I have no use for the NFL or ESPN. Done.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Then again, I stopped watching the NFL about 10 years ago. :lol:

A few years ago for me, too. I have nothing to quit on the NFL now.

 

[kemajic]

Proud Veteran, proud 49er season ticket holder. I enjoy the National Anthem, and the flag holds a sentiment in my heart, but I am tired of the recent sanctimony. I have watched for years as America has plastered the flag on anything and everything to make a buck without so much as a peep from these newfound outraged "patriots." I saw it on a thong bikini, and many seemed to like it just fine wedged up the crack of a buxom female. No one said a word. I see it exploited with the images of flag draped coffins of veterans who did not return home in bullshit memes. These men and women had no chance to approve of the imagery, and not me, nor anyone has the right to assume how they felt. Using the fallen for political gain offends me more than anything that has been done in the NFL. It reminds me of Saving Private Ryan when they go through the dog tags like poker chips in front of the 101st Airborne; tactless. But those memes are pro America right? Because we say so? I see it plastered on Budweiser cans that are eventually crumpled up and tossed in the trash can on Sunday. None of you cared. Don't pretend you did. The only mistake these men made was expecting a cerebral response from a certain demographic. I may not like it, I may not get it, but that doesn't invalidate the message behind it. Respect the flag? Give me a break.

Go get'em Brock!

Proud veteran as well. As I said earlier, I like protests at my football games like I like protests on the highway while trying to get to work. There's a time and place, and the gridiron is neither--but more power to 'em. The NFL is about to drop the hammer, so we'll see how it all ends up.

Sporting events become semi political the moment you include the National Anthem. The answer is simple: don't have the anthem anymore, and problem solved. Disclaimer: That was mostly sarcasm. I do not want them to remove the anthem. However, there is an element of truth in that we would rather they be insincere, and stand when they feel they should kneel because it makes us more comfortable. The flag doesn't care if you respect it, and the pretense of doing so when you believe there is injustice is wrong.

As a veteran you know what I know. We have our traditions, and we are proud of them. However, we are exploited far too frequently for political gains. Recently they tried to use Pat Tillman's image (for the one billionth time), and his widow put a stop to it. Good for her. However, if political protest can seep into the military, it can certainly seep into football. I find one to be far more sacred than the other.

Agreed on seeing how it all ends up. I am curious to the next steps of both parties, and am hoping for an amicable solution. I foresee some BS donation to some fund, and we all pretend everything is good again for a while. The American way.

Follow the money. The honey pot is leaking.

 

[kemajic]

Nice deflection on your ignorance. I thought it was about a sandwich or me being a woman?

What is it about then? Is it about a flag, an arbitrary peice of cloth that you think soldiers fight and die for? Is it about you being mad at black people? Is it you being angry they kneel during a song that was plagiarized from a drinking song and speaks about a war you know nothing about? You think this is about the military but you know nothing of what the national anthem is about. You don't know the history or the facts. You just blindly support something that you think resembles something that is important but you are mistaken.

Yes if the people kneeling were disrespecting the military then I would be mad. I come from a military family. You just want to be mad at them because you support a political agenda that doesn't want to talk about the real issue... and that's racial discrimination. But keep putting your shaders on old man.

You know that this impacts many people for many reasons. Having said that, I watch a football game for the game. I am neither a hard right nor a hard left political person.

I DONT CARE about their politics or their personal views when they come on the field. I don't care about their black lives, white lives, brown lives, transgendered lives, gay lives, unprivileged lives, priveledged lives, or any other real or imagined problem.

Could care less for women's rights, or men's rights, or any other social problem, real or imagined.

If they can not just play football like they are paid to do then we all have the right to turn the TV off and spend more of our time and resources as we see fit.

They can protest what ever they want to protest to who ever is left that really cares for that political activists nonsense.

Lots of people say things like this yet you are still mad they are protesting during a national anthem that has nothing to do with the game. Their protest doesn't change the game at all, so your point is sort of hypocritical

I did not say that I am mad that they are protesting (fill in the blank) during the anthem ... you are saying that.

I am saying that I DO NOT CARE "what" they are protesting or "why" they are protesting it ... not interested at all .. doesn't register on my value scale. I don't care about their politics any more than I care about yours. I just want to watch a drama free social event for fun, and if I can't then I will watch other things and forget about them.

I am not a prisoner of that stuff or those people ... it is true ... the political activism doesn't change the games out come ... but I don't have to be a part of that nonsense any way, I don't have to think about somebody else's political activism and I most certainly don't intend to watch it.

Just saying, [emoji4]

Eriul has to make up stuff to keep the lecturing argument going.

 

[Bisonfanatical]

You know that this impacts many people for many reasons. Having said that, I watch a football game for the game. I am neither a hard right nor a hard left political person.

I DONT CARE about their politics or their personal views when they come on the field. I don't care about their black lives, white lives, brown lives, transgendered lives, gay lives, unprivileged lives, priveledged lives, or any other real or imagined problem.

Could care less for women's rights, or men's rights, or any other social problem, real or imagined.

If they can not just play football like they are paid to do then we all have the right to turn the TV off and spend more of our time and resources as we see fit.

They can protest what ever they want to protest to who ever is left that really cares for that political activists nonsense.

Lots of people say things like this yet you are still mad they are protesting during a national anthem that has nothing to do with the game. Their protest doesn't change the game at all, so your point is sort of hypocritical

I did not say that I am mad that they are protesting (fill in the blank) during the anthem ... you are saying that.

I am saying that I DO NOT CARE "what" they are protesting or "why" they are protesting it ... not interested at all .. doesn't register on my value scale. I don't care about their politics any more than I care about yours. I just want to watch a drama free social event for fun, and if I can't then I will watch other things and forget about them.

I am not a prisoner of that stuff or those people ... it is true ... the political activism doesn't change the games out come ... but I don't have to be a part of that nonsense any way, I don't have to think about somebody else's political activism and I most certainly don't intend to watch it.

Just saying, [emoji4]

Eriul has to make up stuff to keep the lecturing argument going.

Yes, I have seen that

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

If my clients saw me without my hand on my heart during the National Anthem, I'm sure many of them would leave me. If I kneeled, then I could just kiss my career goodbye. Choices have consequences, and nobody is obligated to hire you, just because you are qualified to do a job. That transcends just about any industry, not just professional sports. Many people don't understand that.

I say that being empathetic to the issue of racial oppression. Disrespecting the national anthem, whether you say you are actually doing that or not, is not an effective tool to inspire change. It only pushes people away from supporting your cause.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If my clients saw me without my hand on my heart during the National Anthem, I'm sure many of them would leave me. If I kneeled, then I could just kiss my career goodbye. Choices have consequences, and nobody is obligated to hire you, just because you are qualified to do a job. That transcends just about any industry, not just professional sports. Many people don't understand that.

I say that being empathetic to the issue of racial oppression. Disrespecting the national anthem, whether you say you are actually doing that or not, is not an effective tool to inspire change. It only pushes people away from supporting your cause.

Agreed. That's always the risk that's taken. Kind of like protesting in the middle of the freeway....that does NOT endear me to your cause, whatever it may be....just pisses me off.

 

[jacobj6]

Could someone explain WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE REALLY IS they are grieving? Everyone is kneeling but they don't know why.

Please use real life examples.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

[fanofzoo]

Could someone explain WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE REALLY IS they are grieving? Everyone is kneeling but they don't know why.

Please use real life examples.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Seriously, how many black people die by being shot by policemen, disenfranchised from voting, racial profiling and the list goes on. No, they know why.

 

[jacobj6]

Could someone explain WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE REALLY IS they are grieving? Everyone is kneeling but they don't know why.

Please use real life examples.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Seriously, how many black people die by being shot by policemen, disenfranchised from voting, racial profiling and the list goes on. No, they know why.

Less than the number of white men shot bt police.

AGAIN, PLEASE LIST REAL LIFE EXAMPLES AND FACTS, not just your feelings and emotions.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Mods,

Please split this into two threads:

1) A thread about Brock Coyle; and
2) The "Snowflake Thread" for people who are bent out of shape about peaceful protest and freedom of expression.

Thank you.

 

[jacobj6]

Mods,

Please split this into two threads:

1) A thread about Brock Coyle; and
2) The "Snowflake Thread" for people who are bent out of shape about peaceful protest and freedom of expression.

Thank you.

And 3) those sick of peaceful protesters protesting a false narrative.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

[argh!]

Could someone explain WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE REALLY IS they are grieving? Everyone is kneeling but they don't know why.

Please use real life examples.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Seriously, how many black people die by being shot by policemen, disenfranchised from voting, racial profiling and the list goes on. No, they know why.

Less than the number of white men shot bt police.

AGAIN, PLEASE LIST REAL LIFE EXAMPLES AND FACTS, not just your feelings and emotions.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

wasn't going to respond to this, but seriously, do you not realize that white men in the u.s. vastly outnumber black men, and that the percentage of black men killed by police is much higher, like 2.5 times higher? you will somehow try to talk your way around this, but here's a reference:

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.ce75cc3ae8ae)

 

[PlayerRep]

Could someone explain WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE REALLY IS they are grieving? Everyone is kneeling but they don't know why.

Please use real life examples.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Seriously, how many black people die by being shot by policemen, disenfranchised from voting, racial profiling and the list goes on. No, they know why.

Less than the number of white men shot bt police.

AGAIN, PLEASE LIST REAL LIFE EXAMPLES AND FACTS, not just your feelings and emotions.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

wasn't going to respond to this, but seriously, do you not realize that white men in the u.s. vastly outnumber black men, and that the percentage of black men killed by police is much higher, like 2.5 times higher? you will somehow try to talk your way around this, but here's a reference:

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.ce75cc3ae8ae)

I don't see the stats for who is committing crime and violent crime, and I don't believe the criminal system is skewed against people of color, but I note these prison stats:

47% of blacks are incarcerated. .7% of whites. "According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks accounted for 39.4% of the prison and jail population in 2009," Wiki.

13% or the population is black, according to you linked article.

So argh, how do you explain the argument that blacks are more likely to be killed by cops because they are committing a high portion of the crime?

I'm not disagreeing with you or debating, I'm just asking a question. Thought you might have a good answer.

 

[signedbewildered]

argh....

"...do you not realize that white men in the u.s. vastly outnumber black men, and that the percentage of black men killed by police is much higher...."

I certainly take that as fact. Now what conclusion does one draw from that?

 

[jacobj6]

Seriously, how many black people die by being shot by policemen, disenfranchised from voting, racial profiling and the list goes on. No, they know why.

Less than the number of white men shot bt police.

AGAIN, PLEASE LIST REAL LIFE EXAMPLES AND FACTS, not just your feelings and emotions.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

wasn't going to respond to this, but seriously, do you not realize that white men in the u.s. vastly outnumber black men, and that the percentage of black men killed by police is much higher, like 2.5 times higher? you will somehow try to talk your way around this, but here's a reference:

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.ce75cc3ae8ae)

]

Causation v correlation.

Yes, there are bad cops out there... in many colors, creeds, and religions. There are also bad judges, bad congressmen, bad teachers, bad "professors."...

Because one race has a higher percentage of incarceration, therefore all cops are horrible humans and the rich elites must take a knee???... I'm confused.

Stop the woah is me nonsense. Clean up your act, keep your head down, work hard, take care of your family, and improve your community.

The last thing we need is more victimhood propaganda perpetuation.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

[GrizLA]

Play the anthem at the end of the game. Next problem?

 

[jacobj6]

Could someone explain WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUE REALLY IS they are grieving? Everyone is kneeling but they don't know why.

Please use real life examples.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Seriously, how many black people die by being shot by policemen, disenfranchised from voting, racial profiling and the list goes on. No, they know why.

Less than the number of white men shot bt police.

AGAIN, PLEASE LIST REAL LIFE EXAMPLES AND FACTS, not just your feelings and emotions.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

wasn't going to respond to this, but seriously, do you not realize that white men in the u.s. vastly outnumber black men, and that the percentage of black men killed by police is much higher, like 2.5 times higher? you will somehow try to talk your way around this, but here's a reference:

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.ce75cc3ae8ae)

So your own uber liberal "Washington Post" column you cited even states the simple facts:

- more white human beings are killed by cops than black human beings.

- the majority violent crime is committed by black human beings.

According to those 2 "Wa Po" stats, white human beings are being unfairly targeted and "oppressed," and white human being football players should be kneeling to bring awareness to this issue.

Now i, like 99.999 percent of the population, don't want to see ANY one shot by a cop, no matter the color, sex, or lack thereof. But, as Argh's article points out, it's not really a race issue. At least not in the way some people (the media) are wanting you to see it.

If you really are concerned about an issue, figure out the underlying cause, don't just put a bandaid on the result. And for heavens sake, stop fanning the victimhood flames; in the long run, that just harms those you're trying to help.



Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

[fanofzoo]

If you really are concerned about an issue, figure out the underlying cause, don't just put a bandaid on the result. And for heavens sake, stop fanning the victimhood flames; in the long run, that just harms those you're trying to help.









To read, "To Kill a Mocking Bird" would solve the problem you speak of by ripping off the band-aid that will expose the real problem....wait....sorry it's banned places in Mississippi now.
Those people ?

 

[PhxGriz]

Mods,

Please split this into two threads:

1) A thread about Brock Coyle; and
2) The "Snowflake Thread" for people who are bent out of shape about peaceful protest and freedom of expression.

Thank you.

And 3) those sick of peaceful protesters protesting a false narrative.

4) Don't forget about virtue signalling! I'm helping by posting on the internet how appalled I am, but do nothing but sit on my fat ass and bitch more!