Brady Gustafson

[PlayerRep]

This is what I said, multiple times including a few posts above: "I never once said BG played well in the first half. I consistently said he played poorly or bad or something similar, and that the turnovers were horrible. Now we've confirmed that you can't read too."

I then asked others what caused them, besides the turnovers, to say BG was awful/dreadful. Multiple posters seemed to say that the turnovers were the primary reasons for judging BG harshly. Asking this question does not translate into thinking BG otherwise played well. You obviously don't understand logic and must not be very logical.

Can you articulate what caused some posters to say that BG's first half was awful/dreadful, other than primarily the turnovers? What else? Would be interested in your thoughts? One person said the pass per throw or catch was low. Okay, that may be a minor factor. Others said the offense didn't score much. Okay, but that is probably not all on BG.

Here's a couple other reasons (I'm just now getting around to actually watching the game):

Staring down receivers, resulting in a couple of very near picks
Sailing the ball over receivers heads on multiple occasions or at their feet (uncatchable)
Not protecting the ball when the pocket started collapsing (fumble)
Holding the ball too long and allowing the defense to get to him
Throwing into double and triple coverage
Drives of 4, 5, 4, 9, 3 and 3 plays...exhausting the defense and 3 times giving up the ball deep in our territory
Having the ball twice inside the 50 to start a drive and coming away with zero points on those drives (in fact gained a total of 4 yards on those two drives).

Okay, good start. However, from recollection (in first half):

Didn't stare down many receivers and didn't have a couple near picks as a result.
Didn't have too many high throws or throws uncatchable at feet (couldn't have, as his completion percentage was quite high).
True on not protecting ball. Very bad.
Partially true on holding ball too long; was trying to make plays; had confidence.
Short drives were the fault of the whole offense, or at least much of it. BG only gets some blame.
Not taking advantage of good field position is an offense program, not to be pinned on BG.

Not of this, except not protecting the ball, leads to conclusions of being awful/dreadful, in my view. It's mainly the turnovers. Most everyone harshly criticizing his first didn't realize he had such a high completion percentage. I was watching stats on my phone while at game, so knew his percentage was good.

Well, while yours might be from recollection, I literally JUST watched the game and paid particular attention to Brady's performance. He overthrew 3 receivers, threw two into the dirt, stared down Horner twice (and both almost got picked), and was inexplicably short on a couple of longer passes as well...and 3 of the short drives were DIRECTLY attributable to his turnovers or the above mentioned poor passes. And for some inexplicable reason, he INSISTED on continually challenging #22 Jerome, who was obviously the best player on the field Saturday night.

I might just watch it again, focusing SOLELY on YAC....

Were the 2 to Horner incomplete or completed? Did he throw any away in the first half? I know he did throw some away, but don't recall the half.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Here's a couple other reasons (I'm just now getting around to actually watching the game):

Staring down receivers, resulting in a couple of very near picks
Sailing the ball over receivers heads on multiple occasions or at their feet (uncatchable)
Not protecting the ball when the pocket started collapsing (fumble)
Holding the ball too long and allowing the defense to get to him
Throwing into double and triple coverage
Drives of 4, 5, 4, 9, 3 and 3 plays...exhausting the defense and 3 times giving up the ball deep in our territory
Having the ball twice inside the 50 to start a drive and coming away with zero points on those drives (in fact gained a total of 4 yards on those two drives).

Okay, good start. However, from recollection (in first half):

Didn't stare down many receivers and didn't have a couple near picks as a result.
Didn't have too many high throws or throws uncatchable at feet (couldn't have, as his completion percentage was quite high).
True on not protecting ball. Very bad.
Partially true on holding ball too long; was trying to make plays; had confidence.
Short drives were the fault of the whole offense, or at least much of it. BG only gets some blame.
Not taking advantage of good field position is an offense program, not to be pinned on BG.

Not of this, except not protecting the ball, leads to conclusions of being awful/dreadful, in my view. It's mainly the turnovers. Most everyone harshly criticizing his first didn't realize he had such a high completion percentage. I was watching stats on my phone while at game, so knew his percentage was good.

Well, while yours might be from recollection, I literally JUST watched the game and paid particular attention to Brady's performance. He overthrew 3 receivers, threw two into the dirt, stared down Horner twice (and both almost got picked), and was inexplicably short on a couple of longer passes as well...and 3 of the short drives were DIRECTLY attributable to his turnovers or the above mentioned poor passes. And for some inexplicable reason, he INSISTED on continually challenging #22 Jerome, who was obviously the best player on the field Saturday night.

I might just watch it again, focusing SOLELY on YAC....

Were the 2 to Horner incomplete or completed? Did he throw any away in the first half? I know he did throw some away, but don't recall the half.

Incomplete (and I'm not sure the 2nd one was to Horner...might have been to Bingham).

 

[PlayerRep]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

Interestingly the NFL QB rating and NCAA are different formulas, but both are passing efficiency ratings.

Since there is not a defensive rating in the formula the number actually means nothing, unless you compared QBs against the same defense. In this case you have only one game, therefore nothing to compare to.

The biggest thing to remember is you are rating passing not a QB as a whole, fumbles do not go into the equation

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Sure you can compare passing ratings. They don't need a defensive rating. Virtually no stat in football has a defensive rating. I'm happy to hear your explanation, but your comment seems dumb to me. In one game, you compare to what qb's did in other games, and what BG did last year. His second best rating ever. Of course, "passing" rating doesn't include fumbles. It's about passing. Fumbles don't include passes either. Jeez, I'm sorry, but that was a really dumb post you just made.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

That bad half was his 4th consecutive bad half dating back to the SDSU game last year. Again, it was against THE weakest team on our schedule. If he plays like that against ANYBODY else on our schedule, we will get blown out.

 

[PlayerRep]

Okay, good start. However, from recollection (in first half):

Didn't stare down many receivers and didn't have a couple near picks as a result.
Didn't have too many high throws or throws uncatchable at feet (couldn't have, as his completion percentage was quite high).
True on not protecting ball. Very bad.
Partially true on holding ball too long; was trying to make plays; had confidence.
Short drives were the fault of the whole offense, or at least much of it. BG only gets some blame.
Not taking advantage of good field position is an offense program, not to be pinned on BG.

Not of this, except not protecting the ball, leads to conclusions of being awful/dreadful, in my view. It's mainly the turnovers. Most everyone harshly criticizing his first didn't realize he had such a high completion percentage. I was watching stats on my phone while at game, so knew his percentage was good.

Well, while yours might be from recollection, I literally JUST watched the game and paid particular attention to Brady's performance. He overthrew 3 receivers, threw two into the dirt, stared down Horner twice (and both almost got picked), and was inexplicably short on a couple of longer passes as well...and 3 of the short drives were DIRECTLY attributable to his turnovers or the above mentioned poor passes. And for some inexplicable reason, he INSISTED on continually challenging #22 Jerome, who was obviously the best player on the field Saturday night.

I might just watch it again, focusing SOLELY on YAC....

Were the 2 to Horner incomplete or completed? Did he throw any away in the first half? I know he did throw some away, but don't recall the half.

Incomplete (and I'm not sure the 2nd one was to Horner...might have been to Bingham).

Sorry, but your numbers aren't adding up. 3 overthrows, 2 in dirt, Horner twice, short on a couple longer throws, 1 pick. That's 10 passes. He threw only 8 incomplete passes in the first half, I believe. If you believe 75's stats, he must have thrown only 7 incomplete passes. Go back and watch again, and report back to us. Ha.

 

[PlayerRep]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

That bad half was his 4th consecutive bad half dating back to the SDSU game last year. Again, it was against THE weakest team on our schedule. If he plays like that against ANYBODY else on our schedule, we will get blown out.

Don't think SF (72 of 125) was the weakest team on the schedule. Massey rates Miss Val St as the 3d to worst team, SS (97( and Idaho St (77) below SF, and Davis and No Colo just above SF.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well, while yours might be from recollection, I literally JUST watched the game and paid particular attention to Brady's performance. He overthrew 3 receivers, threw two into the dirt, stared down Horner twice (and both almost got picked), and was inexplicably short on a couple of longer passes as well...and 3 of the short drives were DIRECTLY attributable to his turnovers or the above mentioned poor passes. And for some inexplicable reason, he INSISTED on continually challenging #22 Jerome, who was obviously the best player on the field Saturday night.

I might just watch it again, focusing SOLELY on YAC....

Were the 2 to Horner incomplete or completed? Did he throw any away in the first half? I know he did throw some away, but don't recall the half.

Incomplete (and I'm not sure the 2nd one was to Horner...might have been to Bingham).

Sorry, but your numbers aren't adding up. 3 overthrows, 2 in dirt, Horner twice, short on a couple longer throws, 1 pick. That's 10 passes. He threw only 8 incomplete passes in the first half, I believe. If you believe 75's stats, he must have thrown only 7 incomplete passes. Go back and watch again, and report back to us. Ha.

I don't need to watch it again to know he had an awful first half. Preponderance of evidence weighs heavily in my favor. This is a civil suit, not a criminal matter.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

That bad half was his 4th consecutive bad half dating back to the SDSU game last year. Again, it was against THE weakest team on our schedule. If he plays like that against ANYBODY else on our schedule, we will get blown out.

Brady can totally answer his critics with a road win and a big performance next week. I don't think anybody will care about his string of bad quarters if he does that. This debate will get settled one way or another here very shortly. You can count on that.....

 

[PlayerRep]

Were the 2 to Horner incomplete or completed? Did he throw any away in the first half? I know he did throw some away, but don't recall the half.

Incomplete (and I'm not sure the 2nd one was to Horner...might have been to Bingham).

Sorry, but your numbers aren't adding up. 3 overthrows, 2 in dirt, Horner twice, short on a couple longer throws, 1 pick. That's 10 passes. He threw only 8 incomplete passes in the first half, I believe. If you believe 75's stats, he must have thrown only 7 incomplete passes. Go back and watch again, and report back to us. Ha.

I don't need to watch it again to know he had an awful first half. Preponderance of evidence weighs heavily in my favor. This is a civil suit, not a criminal matter.

I don't think Obama's preponderance standard will hold up much longer. Things should go back to clear and convincing.

 

[PlayerRep]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

That bad half was his 4th consecutive bad half dating back to the SDSU game last year. Again, it was against THE weakest team on our schedule. If he plays like that against ANYBODY else on our schedule, we will get blown out.

Brady can totally answer his critics with a road win and a big performance next week. I don't think anybody will care about his string of bad quarters if he does that. This debate will get settled one way or another here very shortly. You can count on that.....

What debate are you talking about? Most of the debate in this thread was over how he played in the first half of the last game.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

That bad half was his 4th consecutive bad half dating back to the SDSU game last year. Again, it was against THE weakest team on our schedule. If he plays like that against ANYBODY else on our schedule, we will get blown out.

Brady can totally answer his critics with a road win and a big performance next week. I don't think anybody will care about his string of bad quarters if he does that. This debate will get settled one way or another here very shortly. You can count on that.....

What debate are you talking about? Most of the debate in this thread was over how he played in the first half of the last game.

Yes. And if he gets a big win next week, all will be forgotten....

 

[George Ferguson]

PR, good work on this thread.

I'll add this: The receivers, running backs and DB's that currently play for the Montana Grizzlies think BG is the MAN. And it's not PC speak. They love him, want to go into battle with him, and they believe he's not only the best QB on the roster, but one of the best in the FCS. That, plus the public endorsements he's gotten from the likes of Beau Baldwin, Chris Kleiman, Ty Gregorak, Jason Semore, Jerome Sauers and Mike Kramer are all I need to hear. Those things mean so much more to me than anyone's criticism's on this board.

 

[UMGriz75]

Brady can totally answer his critics with a road win and a big performance next week.

According to the "predictions" thread, that was supposed to happen last Saturday. And he did do a good job in the second half, but that only reinforced the 50/50 nature of his play performances; it confirmed, not refuted, that pattern.

 

[stubbins]

PR, good work on this thread.

I'll add this: The receivers, running backs and DB's that currently play for the Montana Grizzlies think BG is the MAN. And it's not PC speak. They love him, want to go into battle with him, and they believe he's not only the best QB on the roster, but one of the best in the FCS. That, plus the public endorsements he's gotten from the likes of Beau Baldwin, Chris Kleiman, Ty Gregorak, Jason Semore, Jerome Sauers and Mike Kramer are all I need to hear. Those things mean so much more to me than anyone's criticism's on this board.

That kind of stuff does not matter...some fat drunks said that everything that went wrong was his fault. I'll stick with the fat drunks....


The only thing that worries me about Brady, is that teams are starting to bring heat, knowing that it can disrupt this offense. If he doesn't get time, shit gets ugly...but that's a result of receivers being on the same page on the reads, and the line giving a bit more time, along with him getting rid of it a bit quicker. I'm shocked at how this board thinks one player is at fault when things don't go as smoothly as we'd all like....

 

[Bscwatcher]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

Interestingly the NFL QB rating and NCAA are different formulas, but both are passing efficiency ratings.

Since there is not a defensive rating in the formula the number actually means nothing, unless you compared QBs against the same defense. In this case you have only one game, therefore nothing to compare to.

The biggest thing to remember is you are rating passing not a QB as a whole, fumbles do not go into the equation

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Sure you can compare passing ratings. They don't need a defensive rating. Virtually no stat in football has a defensive rating. I'm happy to hear your explanation, but your comment seems dumb to me. In one game, you compare to what qb's did in other games, and what BG did last year. His second best rating ever. Of course, "passing" rating doesn't include fumbles. It's about passing. Fumbles don't include passes either. Jeez, I'm sorry, but that was a really dumb post you just made.

A QB can pass excellent and because of it his rating looks great. That isn't the whole picture. There are other significant parts; holding onto the ball, being the field general, etc.

Dumb?

Passer rating doesn't mean he played a great game, he passed well either because of him, a bad defense or a combo of both.

As an attorney I thought you could comprehend, and playing the game I thought it would be simple.

Concussion problems?



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[Bscwatcher]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

That bad half was his 4th consecutive bad half dating back to the SDSU game last year. Again, it was against THE weakest team on our schedule. If he plays like that against ANYBODY else on our schedule, we will get blown out.

Don't think SF (72 of 125) was the weakest team on the schedule. Massey rates Miss Val St as the 3d to worst team, SS (97( and Idaho St (77) below SF, and Davis and No Colo just above SF.

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

You need to wait a few weeks to get new data, so the preseason bias (based on last year) fades out

Look at it after the third or fourth week to have a more clear picture


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[PlayerRep]

PR, good work on this thread.

I'll add this: The receivers, running backs and DB's that currently play for the Montana Grizzlies think BG is the MAN. And it's not PC speak. They love him, want to go into battle with him, and they believe he's not only the best QB on the roster, but one of the best in the FCS. That, plus the public endorsements he's gotten from the likes of Beau Baldwin, Chris Kleiman, Ty Gregorak, Jason Semore, Jerome Sauers and Mike Kramer are all I need to hear. Those things mean so much more to me than anyone's criticism's on this board.

That kind of stuff does not matter...some fat drunks said that everything that went wrong was his fault. I'll stick with the fat drunks....


The only thing that worries me about Brady, is that teams are starting to bring heat, knowing that it can disrupt this offense. If he doesn't get time, shit gets ugly...but that's a result of receivers being on the same page on the reads, and the line giving a bit more time, along with him getting rid of it a bit quicker. I'm shocked at how this board thinks one player is at fault when things don't go as smoothly as we'd all like....

Good post.

 

[mtgrizrule]

PR, good work on this thread.

I'll add this: The receivers, running backs and DB's that currently play for the Montana Grizzlies think BG is the MAN. And it's not PC speak. They love him, want to go into battle with him, and they believe he's not only the best QB on the roster, but one of the best in the FCS. That, plus the public endorsements he's gotten from the likes of Beau Baldwin, Chris Kleiman, Ty Gregorak, Jason Semore, Jerome Sauers and Mike Kramer are all I need to hear. Those things mean so much more to me than anyone's criticism's on this board.

I completely agree with you HGF :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Eh people on this board are clueless. Dude ended with a 140 rating, which is pretty good. Obviously he had a bad half but you can't just look at Brady when it comes to the two fumbles. The biggest flaw in our entire team for the last year has been o-line and that is still the case so far. Maybe don't go so fast to criticize Brady when he's getting hit 2.5 seconds after the snap. People also seemingly ignore the fact that he had one of the prettiest balls on that long ball. Next week might be more of a clue but even then... 2 games, let alone 2 quarters, isn't enough to judge a player

Interestingly the NFL QB rating and NCAA are different formulas, but both are passing efficiency ratings.

Since there is not a defensive rating in the formula the number actually means nothing, unless you compared QBs against the same defense. In this case you have only one game, therefore nothing to compare to.

The biggest thing to remember is you are rating passing not a QB as a whole, fumbles do not go into the equation

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Sure you can compare passing ratings. They don't need a defensive rating. Virtually no stat in football has a defensive rating. I'm happy to hear your explanation, but your comment seems dumb to me. In one game, you compare to what qb's did in other games, and what BG did last year. His second best rating ever. Of course, "passing" rating doesn't include fumbles. It's about passing. Fumbles don't include passes either. Jeez, I'm sorry, but that was a really dumb post you just made.

A QB can pass excellent and because of it his rating looks great. That isn't the whole picture. There are other significant parts; holding onto the ball, being the field general, etc.

Dumb?

Passer rating doesn't mean he played a great game, he passed well either because of him, a bad defense or a combo of both.

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I agree, but you didn't say any of the stuff in your first para previously. You said stats needed a defensive component. Dumb. And, of course, passing ratings don't include other things like fumbles. Nevertheless, passing efficiency is a pretty good rating system for a passing QB. That's why Cookus, West and Prukop were 3 of the top 6 in passing efficiency last season.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, good work on this thread.

I'll add this: The receivers, running backs and DB's that currently play for the Montana Grizzlies think BG is the MAN. And it's not PC speak. They love him, want to go into battle with him, and they believe he's not only the best QB on the roster, but one of the best in the FCS. That, plus the public endorsements he's gotten from the likes of Beau Baldwin, Chris Kleiman, Ty Gregorak, Jason Semore, Jerome Sauers and Mike Kramer are all I need to hear. Those things mean so much more to me than anyone's criticism's on this board.

Now, you show up. Where were you when I was getting beaten to a pulp? Ha. I assume the coaches made some adjustments at halftime that helped BG and the offense. Thx.