Bobcat Break-Out Player of the Year

[indian-outlaw]

You should maybe look again

Before spring drills in 2012, Montana State had eight offensive linemen on its roster. At Monday’s practice, the Bobcats were able to field three full offensive lines and had 17 big bodies at their disposal. Third-year sophomores John Weidenaar (6-foot-7, 277 pounds) and Alex Eekhoff (6-6, 288) are towering bookend tackles. Junior Quinn Catalano (6-4, 289) is the leader of the group and can play either guard spot. The other guard position will go to sophomore Kyle Godecke (6-5, 310) or redshirt freshman JP Flynn (6-5, 304). Matthew Devereux (6-3, 294), a cerebral sophomore, will likely be Sampson’s successor at center.

I don't disagree that there are a few more bodies to make a couple rotations but if Quinn Catalano is your leader I just don't see that as very imposing. I think your DL will be OK, (I predict the younger Thomas Brother will wind up starting this year) as far as bsc DL's go but the o-line will not be dominant by any means. It's too bad because otherwise the bobcats are loaded and would represent Montana and the bsc well if they just had a couple dominant guys up front. I hate to say it but Weidenaar is not going to be NFL caliber.

 

[EverettGriz]

Jason McEndoo is one of the best OL coaches in the country

Not really to argue, because who really knows about stuff like this, but why are cat fans always saying this? Where's the evidence? It's not as though msu has had dominant O-lines or produced a boat load of NFL linemen during his tenure.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Jason McEndoo is one of the best OL coaches in the country

Not really to argue, because who really knows about stuff like this, but why are cat fans always saying this? Where's the evidence? It's not as though msu has had dominant O-lines or produced a boat load of NFL linemen during his tenure.

McEndoo is a quality coach and the bobcats have had some very good o-line guys in his tenure namely Jeff Bolten (Rimington award) and Mike Person but the current crew is not a dominant o-line. They got snake bit last year when the 2011 OL graduated, Stephen Memory left, the Thomas brothers bailed and their two jc guys were hurt. They were left with a bunch of kids. Now those kids have a year of lifting and starting behind them but they are still the same kids (albeit a little bigger and stronger). O-line is not an easy position; you need a combo of strength, size and smarts and there are no Jeff Bolton’s or Mike Persons in this lineup. I had to laugh when the article said Quinn Catalano was the leader. He wouldn’t crack the two deep in Missoula, he’s frontier conference material on a good day. Flynn is probably the guy with the most potential of the group.

 

[bigsky33]

McEndoo won the national award for best OL coach two years ago. He has done wonders with the material he has had to work with. He has not had a boat load of NFL players but not many OL coaches have. He has had a few though most recently is Mike Person. He will tell you that Widenaar is better than Person at this point in his career. As far as the DL is concerned, the Cats are loaded. I don't think Connor Thomas will be a starter but does add to the depth. Remember, we did lose Minter but he didn't even play much last year. There is Ashworth, Coe,Daly, Hayden Vick,Connor Verlanic,Preston Gale,Taylor Dees, Taylor Sheridan,Nate Bignell, Monte Folsom, and a big freshman Dallas Hayes. I don't call these guys weak. LB will be fine with Singleton, Moore and Foster as the starters and Vunipola,Robert Walsh, and Fletcher Collins. A sleeper is freshman Blake Braun who is seeing a lot of reps already.

 

[Cats2506]

McEndoo won the national award for best OL coach two years ago. He has done wonders with the material he has had to work with. He has not had a boat load of NFL players but not many OL coaches have. He has had a few though most recently is Mike Person. He will tell you that Widenaar is better than Person at this point in his career. As far as the DL is concerned, the Cats are loaded. I don't think Connor Thomas will be a starter but does add to the depth. Remember, we did lose Minter but he didn't even play much last year. There is Ashworth, Coe,Daly, Hayden Vick,Connor Verlanic,Preston Gale,Taylor Dees, Taylor Sheridan,Nate Bignell, Monte Folsom, and a big freshman Dallas Hayes. I don't call these guys weak. LB will be fine with Singleton, Moore and Foster as the starters and Vunipola,Robert Walsh, and Fletcher Collins. A sleeper is freshman Blake Braun who is seeing a lot of reps already.

You missed Young on the list of LB's

 

[Hammer]

Plus, Jason McEndoo is one of the best OL coaches in the country.

Ha ha if he was he wouldn't be at Moo u very long!! :lol:

Is that why LBJ was running for his life most of the time last season????

 

[grizhunter]

I believe he loves where he lives and it is a great place to raise a family. Hammer you are a good guy, but 11-2 working with three freshman, tight end and undersized center is pretty impressive. Did DM have to run a lot, yes, but the record is much more than I ever expected. Now granted it is 11 guys on the O, but the numbers were pretty damn good so they did something right. Mac did pretty awesome in mho.

 

[NLGrizFan]

Plus, Jason McEndoo is one of the best OL coaches in the country.

Ha ha if he was he wouldn't be at Moo u very long!! :lol:

Is that why LBJ was running for his life most of the time last season????

:lol:
That's what I've been tryin to figure out is if their O line was so grand last year then why the funk was DM alway ducking and dodging defenses? Now with the scats young and weak O line, ole LBJ is gonna be burning up a pair of cleats a week.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

McEndoo won the national award for best OL coach two years ago. He has done wonders with the material he has had to work with. He has not had a boat load of NFL players but not many OL coaches have. He has had a few though most recently is Mike Person. He will tell you that Widenaar is better than Person at this point in his career. As far as the DL is concerned, the Cats are loaded. I don't think Connor Thomas will be a starter but does add to the depth. Remember, we did lose Minter but he didn't even play much last year. There is Ashworth, Coe,Daly, Hayden Vick,Connor Verlanic,Preston Gale,Taylor Dees, Taylor Sheridan,Nate Bignell, Monte Folsom, and a big freshman Dallas Hayes. I don't call these guys weak. LB will be fine with Singleton, Moore and Foster as the starters and Vunipola,Robert Walsh, and Fletcher Collins. A sleeper is freshman Blake Braun who is seeing a lot of reps already.

You missed Young on the list of LB's

Doesnt matter

 

[bigsky33]

Like was mentioned, they are much bigger and stronger this year on the OL. Also a lot more depth. Say what you want, but the proof will be on the field. If you want to believe they will be weak you will be in for a rude awakening.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

OL is your weak link on the offensive side of the ball

On defense it would be hard to pick a weak link because you can make arguments for DL, LB, S, CB



You guys are in for a big let down this season, but at least you are used to that so it wont sting more than usual.

 

[Cats2506]

OL is your weak link on the offensive side of the ball

On defense it would be hard to pick a weak link because you can make arguments for DL, LB, S, CB



You guys are in for a big let down this season, but at least you are used to that so it wont sting more than usual.

So you agree that the rest of the offense is stacked 3 deep :thumb:

 

[bigsky33]

Alpha you might want to drop by and take a look at the Cat OL. You are way off on the size and strength this year. You're also wrong on the depth at the defensive positions. The Cats are loaded on defense except for LB but they will be okay there too.

 

[Copper Griz]

Alpha you might want to drop by and take a look at the Cat OL. You are way off on the size and strength this year. You're also wrong on the depth at the defensive positions. The Cats are loaded on defense except for LB but they will be okay there too.

Say the OL is bigger and stronger than last year - I will grant you that. What about foot speed, agility, and athleticism. Many guys are big and strong, but can they stop the LB's and DE,s? Indian Outlaw is correct. OL takes a ton of skill/talent. Not sure your front guys have it. SMU will be interesting and the first real test. If DM is on his back or running - we have our answer. If not - I will be interested to watch your offense this year. I predict you will be slightly depressed.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I am going by your roster sizes and you have 2-3 guys around 300 then a SIGNIFICANT drop down to the 260-280 range. Thats a great OL.....................if you are in the Frontier conference. You have a 210lb OL on your roster.....please tell me thats a typo :lol:


As for the cat breakout player of the year, are we talking about breaking out car windows or basketball players shoulders?

If so I want to change my pick

 

[NLGrizFan]

I am going by your roster sizes and you have 2-3 guys around 300 then a SIGNIFICANT drop down to the 260-280 range. Thats a great OL.....................if you are in the Frontier conference. You have a 210lb OL on your roster.....please tell me thats a typo :lol:


As for the cat breakout player of the year, are we talking about breaking out car windows or basketball players shoulders?

If so I want to change my pick

210?!? WTF. My High school OLs were bigger than that. That's a typo. Probably 310

 

[getgrizzy]

a lot of players to pick from. roderick, newell, davis(rb) and johnson on offense. coe, foster, singleton, and barnett on defense. any one or more of those guys could be a household name by october. just a ton of great, young talent over there right now.

It takes a true kitten fan to know all that and actually believe it! :thumb:


and it sounds like you do?

are you saying a griz fan can't follow his teams no. 1 rival closely and give objectives insights about them? you obviously don't think much of our fan base.

 

[Catsrback76]

OL is your weak link on the offensive side of the ball

On defense it would be hard to pick a weak link because you can make arguments for DL, LB, S, CB



You guys are in for a big let down this season, but at least you are used to that so it wont sting more than usual.

It's not fun to watch, but you gotta, almost like driving by a car wreck. I hate to say it, but Alpha appears to have had his first....

He's popped it! :clap:

 

[AZGrizFan]

OL is your weak link on the offensive side of the ball

On defense it would be hard to pick a weak link because you can make arguments for DL, LB, S, CB



You guys are in for a big let down this season, but at least you are used to that so it wont sting more than usual.

So you agree that the rest of the offense is stacked 3 deep :thumb:

Having a weak link does not imply the rest of the offense is "stacked". :? :?

 

[bigsky33]

Alpha, you will see that the Cat OL is not undersized anymore. The average is 297. There technique and discipline will be excellent with Jason McEndoo as the coach. This is not a weak link any longer and the offense is loaded.

Defense is loaded too as I mentioned. LB we have had the injuries but we have good depth at tthat postion and they will be fine. DL Preston Gale is a freak and may make people forget about Schreibies. Gale was coming back from a knee injury last year after a great first year. He was back at full speed in Spring ball and has been very impressive this week. We have a lot of depth on the DL.

Alpha keep believing about the weak stuff. I know it makes you feel good!

(Colter Nuanez tweeted the starting Cat OL weights are 285, 310, 305, 290, 295) The reserves Horn 320,Flynn 304, Lee 291, Williams310, Austin 290