Bobby Petrino Fired (Reasons Given!)

[grizcountry420]

To you three monkeys who speak, listen(to), and hear no logic because you're terminally clueless...the issue is TRANSPARENCY... Nobody, including myself, has in any way, by innuendo or directly, suggested that the situations in MT and AR are similar...because it is clear to any nitwit with a scintilla of gray matter THAT THEY AREN'T. The storyline, which should be evident to even the most myopic is that Arkansas had the balls to tell it like it is with Petrino while Engstrom has left O'Day and Pflugrad to twist in the breeze - the target of any nut job with a half-baked hypothesis or agenda to feed. In the absence of any clarification from Main Hall why should anyone be surprised?...This forum has far too many twits who shout fire when there is zero evidence of smoke.
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Wow. Apparently you needed Engstrom to wait until there was a gang rape at high noon at midfield of Wa/Griz broadcast on KPAX before he acted? Exactly how much SMOKE would you require? How many times must the University be dragged through the mud before something is done? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize there was a huge leadership vaccuum in the football program, and has been for some time. If it's all just about being good guys and winning football games, lets just go hire Jim Tressel. Or hell, maybe Bobby P. would like to come back to his roots in Montana?

The only "agenda" I have is to try to be a fan of a university that I'm proud to be a fan of. Outside of that, I could give a rats ass what Engstrom does or does not say.

^^^^^This^^^^^

 

[br fan]

Arkansas had a problem and they addressed it.

UM has had several problems, but rather than addressing the problems themselves, Engstrom addressed the public perception of the problems. While there are several on this board who have bought into Engstrom's "trust me I fixed it by not renewing Pflu and O'day's contracts," a lot of people suspect this was simply just politics by Engstrom trying to make it appear that he is doing something, and actually nothing has changed and its business as usual at UM but under a "change in leadership."

 

[WaGriz4life]

Arkansas had a problem and they addressed it.

UM has had several problems, but rather than addressing the problems themselves, Engstrom addressed the public perception of the problems. While there are several on this board who have bought into Engstrom's "trust me I fixed it by not renewing Pflu and O'day's contracts," a lot of people suspect this was simply just politics by Engstrom trying to make it appear that he is doing something, and actually nothing has changed and its business as usual at UM but under a "change in leadership."

This. Great post, exactly how I feel. :clap: :clap:

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Arkansas had a problem and they addressed it.

UM has had several problems, but rather than addressing the problems themselves, Engstrom addressed the public perception of the problems. While there are several on this board who have bought into Engstrom's "trust me I fixed it by not renewing Pflu and O'day's contracts," a lot of people suspect this was simply just politics by Engstrom trying to make it appear that he is doing something, and actually nothing has changed and its business as usual at UM but under a "change in leadership."

I don't disagree with you, but I am curious: How would you define UM's problems, what what would you have done do to address them? And would you agree that the "public's perception" of the alleged sexual assaults was, in and of itself, a problem? I honestly don't have an agenda and am interested in your thoughts. Thanks.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Arkansas had a problem and they addressed it.

UM has had several problems, but rather than addressing the problems themselves, Engstrom addressed the public perception of the problems. While there are several on this board who have bought into Engstrom's "trust me I fixed it by not renewing Pflu and O'day's contracts," a lot of people suspect this was simply just politics by Engstrom trying to make it appear that he is doing something, and actually nothing has changed and its business as usual at UM but under a "change in leadership."

This. Great post, exactly how I feel. :clap: :clap:

While I applaud Engstrom's move I, in no way, shape or form believe that he's "fixed it". It's a move in the right direction, but that's all.

Personally, the next move should be for the BOR to relieve HIM of his duties.

 

[granitegriz]

AZ is back posting to a high level again. +1

 

[grizatwork]

Arkansas had a problem and they addressed it.

UM has had several problems, but rather than addressing the problems themselves, Engstrom addressed the public perception of the problems. While there are several on this board who have bought into Engstrom's "trust me I fixed it by not renewing Pflu and O'day's contracts," a lot of people suspect this was simply just politics by Engstrom trying to make it appear that he is doing something, and actually nothing has changed and its business as usual at UM but under a "change in leadership."

Given that one of the big problems we were having was public perception of our program and university, I would say it is a good start.

 

[tnt]

Arkansas had a problem and they addressed it.

UM has had several problems, but rather than addressing the problems themselves, Engstrom addressed the public perception of the problems. While there are several on this board who have bought into Engstrom's "trust me I fixed it by not renewing Pflu and O'day's contracts," a lot of people suspect this was simply just politics by Engstrom trying to make it appear that he is doing something, and actually nothing has changed and its business as usual at UM but under a "change in leadership."

Are you sure of that? There has been changes beyond a couple of higher profile folks being replaced. Campus security is under new leadership, The Deans office new leadership, The Forrester's Ball will be a dramatically different event. Athletic Discipline is out of the hands of the coaches. The new 3 step discipline program would have us short several star players during the playoffs not sitting out a quarter. 4 maybe 5 players off the team period. I would be very surprised that there isn't a clear message received by all athletes.

We have several students working for us has aids for my granddaughter who are almost to the point of putting university emails on their junk mailers list because of thee amount communications. Freshman Orientation will require additional class time (and proven attendence) based on the theme of "any doubt - get out"

There are ongoing discussions between city county and University law enforcement on joint efforts at reporting and investigation.

Oh and expect a change of a certain Vice president if not physically note his VERY short leash. For a guy who has been here since Oct 2010, I'd say there have been some changes. And anybody who reads these boards will quickly pick up there are no small number of guys who have no clue that "giving in" doesn't make a girl a slut and the guy permission. If Engstrom can find away to teach guys to think with their big head instead of small one, he'll have accomplished something society has been struggling with for a long time.

 

[George Ferguson]

NO GRIZ PLAYER HAD TO SIT OUT A QUARTER DURING THE 2011 PLAYOFFS. THAT'S COMPLETELY INACCURATE.

 

[Hammer]

NO GRIZ PLAYER HAD TO SIT OUT A QUARTER DURING THE 2011 PLAYOFFS. THAT'S COMPLETELY INACCURATE.

who said one did?

 

[George Ferguson]

IN an above post TNT said that had the new athletic policies been in place the Griz would have been without several star players for playoff games instead of them just sitting out one quarter.

 

[WaGriz4life]

IN an above post TNT said that had the new athletic policies been in place the Griz would have been without several star players for playoff games instead of them just sitting out one quarter.

He also said we would have had 4 or 5 players kicked off the team during the year.

 

[George Ferguson]

i dont kno about that either..i read the entire plan and i'm not certain that would have been the case. JJ's issue is being handled under the new plan and he has not been dismissed from the team. other than beau donaldson, i don't see anyone who would have been kicked off under the new plan. i guess we won't really know how it works until someone gets in trouble again.

 

[Hammer]

IN an above post TNT said that had the new athletic policies been in place the Griz would have been without several star players for playoff games instead of them just sitting out one quarter.

I think he was just talking about the difference in the two policies.

 

[GRZFTBL]

When you are an offensive genius, you get a job in the NFL. When you get a job in the NFL, you lose games. When you lose games, you take a job at Arkansas. When you live in Arkansas, you get bored. When you get bored, you go looking for strange. When you go looking for strange, you find strange. When you find strange, you take it for a ride on your motorcycle. When you take strange for a ride on your motorcycle, she reaches around and grabs your junk. When she grabs your junk, you wreck your motorcycle. When you wreck your motorcycle, you end up at a press conference in a neck brace. Don't end up at a press conference in a neck brace...




^can't claim that, found on another site. good stuff.

 

[tnt]

IN an above post TNT said that had the new athletic policies been in place the Griz would have been without several star players for playoff games instead of them just sitting out one quarter.

I think he was just talking about the difference in the two policies.

That's correct. IF the reports about previous run ins some players had were were true, there would have been several players sitting out weeks to a season to forever. Had Mr. Paoli not negotiated a civil agreement as opposed to the restraining order that was in place, JJ would essentialy have been off the team for at least a year maybe more. Wilson too. Any one who DOESN"T believe the new policys have some teeth better think again (and we aren't even talking the rapes)

 

[Washgrizfan1]

IN an above post TNT said that had the new athletic policies been in place the Griz would have been without several star players for playoff games instead of them just sitting out one quarter.

I think he was just talking about the difference in the two policies.

That's correct. IF the reports about previous run ins some players had were were true, there would have been several players sitting out weeks to a season to forever. Had Mr. Paoli not negotiated a civil agreement as opposed to the restraining order that was in place, JJ would essentialy have been off the team for at least a year maybe more. Wilson too. Any one who DOESN"T believe the new policys have some teeth better think again (and we aren't even talking the rapes)

Without indicating that the new policies won't have more teeth, I point out the following. The decision to reinstate Wilson was not made by Pflugrad. It was made by others, including Foley and perhaps Engstrom. The decision on how to discipline Kemp/Johnson was not made by Phlugrad. It also included agreement that the incident would be looked at again, after the more facts were known and the matter was resolved. It was made by higher ups, which I believe included Foley at least with the knowledge of Engstrom. The decision to allow JJ to practice was not made by Pflugrad. It was made by the new committee of 3, who then held JJ out for one more practice so that Engstrom could be consulted.

 

[OldtiredGRiz]

When you are an offensive genius, you get a job in the NFL. When you get a job in the NFL, you lose games. When you lose games, you take a job at Arkansas. When you live in Arkansas, you get bored. When you get bored, you go looking for strange. When you go looking for strange, you find strange. When you find strange, you take it for a ride on your motorcycle. When you take strange for a ride on your motorcycle, she reaches around and grabs your junk. When she grabs your junk, you wreck your motorcycle. When you wreck your motorcycle, you end up at a press conference in a neck brace. Don't end up at a press conference in a neck brace...




^can't claim that, found on another site. good stuff.

That is a good one. I was just thinking about what Petrino lost in just financial terms. He was making 3.5 million a year and I assume that Arkansas paid him once a month. That's a check for just under $300,000.00 (before taxes) every month. That's one seriously expensive relationship cover up and motorcycle accident.

 

[WaGriz4life]

IN an above post TNT said that had the new athletic policies been in place the Griz would have been without several star players for playoff games instead of them just sitting out one quarter.

I think he was just talking about the difference in the two policies.

That's correct. IF the reports about previous run ins some players had were were true, there would have been several players sitting out weeks to a season to forever. Had Mr. Paoli not negotiated a civil agreement as opposed to the restraining order that was in place, JJ would essentialy have been off the team for at least a year maybe more. Wilson too. Any one who DOESN"T believe the new policys have some teeth better think again (and we aren't even talking the rapes)

Without indicating that the new policies won't have more teeth, I point out the following. The decision to reinstate Wilson was not made by Pflugrad. It was made by others, including Foley and perhaps
Engstrom. The decision on how to discipline Kemp/Johnson was not made by Phlugrad. It also included agreement that the incident would be looked at again, after the more facts were known and the matter was resolved. It was made by higher ups, which I believe included Foley at least with the knowledge of Engstrom. The decision to allow JJ to practice was not made by Pflugrad. It was made by the new committee of 3, who then held JJ out for one more practice so that Engstrom could be consulted.

Correct. Pflugrad essentially didn't have the power to decide the discipline of his players and then was fired for their actions.

 

[tnt]

More important (I have no desire to discuss the firings any further, unless Foley gets gone) is that if any current player pulls a fraction of the stuff that has gone on in the past, there will be a HUGE effect on the team. The current coach staff needs to impress on the players how critical their behavior is. Whether the old staff did so or not is another question but they aren't here to ask.