Bobby is a elite coach and the best coach we could possibly attract to UM. He has taken the program very far. We are 6-0. How much better should our record be this year, in your opinion. He had the team in the national championship game in 2024. If the Griz want to pay someone $100 million for a contract like Penn St, then perhaps we could get someone better. You are truly clueless. You certainly don't know how to evaluate coaches or programs.
I can't disagree with that
I don't understand your complete assuredness that Franklin's firing is because of Cignetti. Could you explain why you are so certain that is the case? From my view, Franklin got fired because he lost games that he should have won. He got fired because he is .016 for a winning percentage against top 10 teams. He got fired for HIS performance, and nothing to do with Cignetti being good.
So you agree, Franklin was fired because of money and Gundy was fired because he turned OSU into a dumpster fire. Neither of these apply to Montana/Hauck. Neither of these are either relevant or apply.
again, I don't understand why people are taking this as insulting or negatively. Has he reached his height with this program was the question. This is a forum for discussion. This post doesn't mean that is what I believe or have the opinion of. I understand the value Bobby brings to the University, have very good childhood friends who played for him, played in the NFL and coach in the NFL who love him and Bobby has always been more than friendly.
Franklin was fired because he lost to Oregon and Cignetti beat them. Franklin had the highest winning percentage in Penn State history. Bobby Hauch is on that level in the FCS. That is where I found comparison. Again, it is not my belief, but the landscape.
26 years in total, 19 years if you only count the years he was in FCS.
I think the top ten losing percentage was a huge factor and the one that had people talking the last few years. However, I believe the final straw was when Indiana beat Oregon the very next week and Franklin was fired on Sunday. I think most blue blood teams are now of the opinion they should be doing what Indiana has done and do not need as much time to build as before. I really think that was the final straw for Penn State.
I didn't take it as insulting. You provided your view and questions. I provided my direct response. I didn't say you shouldn't have said it. It's a fan board. A few people know something about the game and the program, and more than a few don't.
I don't think the Oregon result for those teams did in Franklin, it was how they responded in the following games, the ones that are more impactful on finances in a negative way. Again, you view of the landscape seems blurry.
That's a lot of patience.
I don't think it's blurry at all. As Elrod pointed out his less than stellar winning percentage against ranked teams is a factor, but the nail in the coffin is Cignetti's success. These blue blood teams are not going to be as patient anymore. Cignetti winning at Indiana is a direct reflection of that fire.
The difference is JS won a Championship.
Do you think they would have reached the mountaintop and continued to be the juggernaut they are today if they had moved on from him years ago?
The nail in the coffin was losing to a winless UCLA and Northwestern. That is when the money turned against him.
Show us just a little more that you don't know s--t about Bobby Hauck.
I have no idea. The vision paid off. They weren't a visible program and not much tradition for that to be an issue for them. He wouldn't last that long now. However, that brings another question. If Bobby never left what could Montana have done in those years? I think that is always going to be the big what if.
Those played a part, but not as much as Indiana beating Oregon in Oregon. Everyone will now chase what he did with Indiana. It's now proven you can win ANYWHERE with the right coach. Do you think Penn State will reach out to Cignetti?
So are you saying Franklin gets fired if they beat UCLA and Northwestern because Indiana beat Oregon?
