Bobby Coached Team vs. Stitt Coached Team

[HelenaHandBasket]

with their vaunted NFL caliber QB

This rates right up there with "Stitt is a politician" .

 

[jodcon]

Here's how this goes. Somebody says something positive, then '75 responds with an acerbic diss. Whose turn is it?

The Neal and Bob brothers are in rare form today. Undecided what my favorite is so far...berating people for having a contrary opinion on a hypothetical situation or the genius vision of the defense knowing what the QB is going to do every play.

Day is early though, more entrants could show up.

 

[SoldierGriz]

by Stop_HammerTime69 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:10 pm

I know it's frustrating, but our fanbase has to adopt the mantra of the 76ers: "Trust the Process."

In we have lowered expectations to that of the 76ers we are f.........ed!

It's the dumbest thing posted on eGriz in the last week.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

For the record, it is not an apples to apples comparison.

Huh? Asking which coach would have done better in the past 2 years is in fact apples to apples.

Actually it is not. Apples to apples assumes they are a like. Comparing the guy that did coach with a guy that did not coach is not comparing like objects.

Comparing how 2 coaches would have done at the same school in the same two-year period is apples to apples. It's even more simple than that. Which one would have had the best record in the same period? You are an idiot, or at least a football idiot.

"Comparing apples to apples means comparing things that can reasonably be compared, while the phrase apples to oranges often is used to represent a comparison that is unreasonable or perhaps impossible."

Since Bobby was not head coach at Montana or any other comparable school during the same time-frame, I see it as impossible to compare and see it as an apples to oranges comparison. And don't get me wrong, I have no issue with people thinking Bobby would have had more success, but with so many variables that could have been different, I don't see it as apples to apples.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

by Stop_HammerTime69 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:10 pm

I know it's frustrating, but our fanbase has to adopt the mantra of the 76ers: "Trust the Process."

In we have lowered expectations to that of the 76ers we are f.........ed!

It's the dumbest thing posted on eGriz in the last week.

You must not read your own posts then.

 

[griz5700]

by Stop_HammerTime69 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:10 pm

I know it's frustrating, but our fanbase has to adopt the mantra of the 76ers: "Trust the Process."

In we have lowered expectations to that of the 76ers we are f.........ed!

It's the dumbest thing posted on eGriz in the last week.

You must not read your own posts then.

It was stupid. Just let it go.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

by Stop_HammerTime69 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:10 pm

I know it's frustrating, but our fanbase has to adopt the mantra of the 76ers: "Trust the Process."

In we have lowered expectations to that of the 76ers we are f.........ed!

It's the dumbest thing posted on eGriz in the last week.

You must not read your own posts then.

It was stupid. Just let it go.

How? How was it in any way stupid? We were in a low spot. You don't just get out of a low spot by firing anyone who can't immediately win.

 

[griz5700]

It's the dumbest thing posted on eGriz in the last week.

You must not read your own posts then.

It was stupid. Just let it go.

How? How was it in any way stupid? We were in a low spot. You don't just get out of a low spot by firing anyone who can't immediately win.

Using a slogan from a historically bad franchise was really stupid.

 

[grizfan406]

Regarding this discussion let me first start by saying I am completely behind Bob Stitt and think griz nation is on the right path and on the verge of some great things....

A well said post. Thanks! :thumb:

The Griz lost four of their five last games.

That included losses to the two conference bottom dwellers, including the key game at Missoula against the Cats in which the Griz, with their vaunted NFL caliber QB, lost to a struggling first-year team with a QB that just got his puberty license.

The "right path?"

What would qualify as "the wrong path?"

Winning?

The "Right Path" implies future events. I am making a prediction based upon opinion. I am acutely aware of their late season melt down. EWU had a late season melt down in the middle of seemingly uninterupted success during the 2015 season and then stormed back last year to dominate. The griz are "rebuilding" after several years of mediocrity on the field and in recruiting. I say "rebuilding" and "Mediocrity" with a grain of salt seeing as though I am a spoiled griz fan with sky high expectations. We have had so much success over the years that we forget how hard it is to win. The griz program has had a carousel of coaches lately, continuity and recruiting has taken a hit, but I say it again, despite the late season melt down, I believe the griz are on the right path.

 

[UMGriz75]

The griz program has had a carousel of coaches lately, continuity and recruiting has taken a hit, but I say it again, despite the late season melt down, I believe the griz are on the right path.

You can "believe" whatever you want. Factually, do Division 2 coaches successfully make the transitions to Division 1 when given the opportunity to do so?

No. The track record is very poor.

UM has had highly successful coaches move up within D1, from FBS to FCS, The results have been dismal.

Here, three, now two, D2 coaches are trying to ride experienced D1 assistant coaches at a level they are unfamiliar with, and frankly, have only a respectable but middling success as D2 coaches in a division in which one of the most successful football teams over the past 15 years has been a college with just slightly more students than some Montana high schools, and where half the conference members still provide horse barns for students and faculty.

If you would bet your life and your sacred honor on your "belief system" -- which has nothing tangible to do with reality -- go for it.

I wouldn't.

 

[bgbigdog]

There was that one guy from a D2 program in Colorado who moved up to a 1AA program around 2k. Played for all the marbles twice & won the school a second national championship. Knew our current Big Game Bob from a gig prior and had good things to say about him. Not going to fault Kent for trying to capture lightning in the brown jug again. He may have been overlooking the cluster that recruiting had become. The cupboard was far from bare for cowboy Joe.

Bob's got this season & he knows what it's going to be like @ home if they have another disappearing act in 2017. Am going to fault Kent if he doesn't do the right thing should the team fold again this season. I expect a "whatever it takes" team & staff, a team that can take and "deliver" punches in the mouth every game, & players who are coached extremely well - it is after all, year 3.

Ps. Also hopeful we can avoid the stupid personal foul. Yeah I know, good luck with that.

 

[EverettGriz]

The griz program has had a carousel of coaches lately, continuity and recruiting has taken a hit, but I say it again, despite the late season melt down, I believe the griz are on the right path.

You can "believe" whatever you want. Factually, do Division 2 coaches successfully make the transitions to Division 1 when given the opportunity to do so?

No. The track record is very poor.

UM has had highly successful coaches move up within D1, from FBS to FCS, The results have been dismal.

Here, three, now two, D2 coaches are trying to ride experienced D1 assistant coaches at a level they are unfamiliar with, and frankly, have only a respectable but middling success as D2 coaches in a division in which one of the most successful football teams over the past 15 years has been a college with just slightly more students than some Montana high schools, and where half the conference members still provide horse barns for students and faculty.

If you would bet your life and your sacred honor on your "belief system" -- which has nothing tangible to do with reality -- go for it.

I wouldn't.

Seems as though a few of these guys had a modicum of success:

Beau Baldwin
Craig Bohl
Joe Glenn
KC Keeler
Hal Mumme
Terry Bowden
Brian Kelly
Jerry Kill

I could go on and on, but I'll just finish by leaving this here:


Don Read.

 

[UMGriz75]

The griz program has had a carousel of coaches lately, continuity and recruiting has taken a hit, but I say it again, despite the late season melt down, I believe the griz are on the right path.

You can "believe" whatever you want. Factually, do Division 2 coaches successfully make the transitions to Division 1 when given the opportunity to do so?

No. The track record is very poor.

UM has had highly successful coaches move up within D1, from FBS to FCS, The results have been dismal.

Here, three, now two, D2 coaches are trying to ride experienced D1 assistant coaches at a level they are unfamiliar with, and frankly, have only a respectable but middling success as D2 coaches in a division in which one of the most successful football teams over the past 15 years has been a college with just slightly more students than some Montana high schools, and where half the conference members still provide horse barns for students and faculty.

If you would bet your life and your sacred honor on your "belief system" -- which has nothing tangible to do with reality -- go for it.

I wouldn't.

Seems as though a few of these guys had a modicum of success:

Beau Baldwin
Craig Bohl
Joe Glenn
KC Keeler
Hal Mumme
Terry Bowden
Brian Kelly
Jerry Kill
I could go on and on, but I'll just finish by leaving this here:
Don Read.

I'm not saying it "doesn't happen" but on an honest assessment of the odds shows they are low. I also noted your intentional deception.

Your very first name, Baldwin, played semi-pro ball in Europe. He was no novice and he was given a chance at a small college.

Your second choice, Craig Bohl, spent 8 years as an assistant coach at Nebraska before becoming Head Coach at NSDU. Nebraska was in the Pac 12. "Nebraska" is NOT a D-2 school.

Similarly, Joe Glenn spent four years coaching at a small college, Doane, and made his first stint at the University of Montana as a quarterbacks and wide receivers coach and offensive coordinator from 1980 to 1985. He was out of coaching in 1986. In 1987, he joined the staff at University of Northern Colorado (UNC) as quarterbacks and kicking coach. He was named head coach of UNC for the 1989 season.

I can only assume the most of the rest of your selective list is equally flawed, or just plain false.

 

[EverettGriz]

JFC. You're just like our president. Unable to admit when you're just flat wrong.

What is flawed or false about ANY of those on my list? The only marginally questionable one was Bohl at NDSU. But that WAS a DII program when Bohl began coaching there. He then had succuss at the FCS level. That's the point.

The entire rest of the list is spotfuckingon. Baldwin coached at Central Washington before being hired at Eastern. If you can explain how that doesn't meet the criteria I'll give you a million dollars. Coach Glenn -- as you point out -- was coach at DII UNC. If you can explain how that doesn't meet the criteria I'll give you 2 million dollars.

And good luck trying to prove the others wrong as well.

 

[UMGriz75]

JFC. You're just like our president. Unable to admit when you're just flat wrong.

Given your embarrassing Love Affair with Royce Engstrom, that's just embarrassing.

 

[PlayerRep]

JFC. You're just like our president. Unable to admit when you're just flat wrong.

What is flawed or false about ANY of those on my list? The only marginally questionable one was Bohl at NDSU. But that WAS a DII program when Bohl began coaching there. He then had succuss at the FCS level. That's the point.

The entire rest of the list is spotfuckingon. Baldwin coached at Central Washington before being hired at Eastern. If you can explain how that doesn't meet the criteria I'll give you a million dollars. Coach Glenn -- as you point out -- was coach at DII UNC. If you can explain how that doesn't meet the criteria I'll give you 2 million dollars.

And good luck trying to prove the others wrong as well.

So you have just proved that less than .5% of D-II are successful moving up to FCS. Good job proving 75's point.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

JFC. You're just like our president. Unable to admit when you're just flat wrong.

What is flawed or false about ANY of those on my list? The only marginally questionable one was Bohl at NDSU. But that WAS a DII program when Bohl began coaching there. He then had succuss at the FCS level. That's the point.

The entire rest of the list is spotfuckingon. Baldwin coached at Central Washington before being hired at Eastern. If you can explain how that doesn't meet the criteria I'll give you a million dollars. Coach Glenn -- as you point out -- was coach at DII UNC. If you can explain how that doesn't meet the criteria I'll give you 2 million dollars.

And good luck trying to prove the others wrong as well.

So you have just proved that less than .5% of D-II are successful moving up to FCS. Good job proving 75's point.

Could you provide detailed information on how you came up with .5%? I would like to see the list of names, records, schools etc.

 

[jodcon]

Looks like this one's going 17 pages because it'll take 1800 names to cover the 9 Everett brought up.

 

[Ursa Major]

Looks like this one's going 17 pages because it'll take 1800 names to cover the 9 Everett brought up.

:lol:

 

[UMGriz75]

Could you provide detailed information on how you came up with .5%? I would like to see the list of names, records, schools etc.

Typical. When the first three on their "list" does not prove anything, and in fact is demonstrably false, trying to prove that all DII promotions from DII head coach to DI head coach are the same. As I noted, the odds are strongly against it. As EC inadvertent admitted, that is simply the truth.

Now, he demands a list.

An old ploy.