Bobby Coached Team vs. Stitt Coached Team

[uofmman1122]

See, these Hauck discussions are fine, but let's pump the brakes on too much conjecture here. Let the man coach his third season before we say the chances of another guy having a better record are 50/50. Don't forget Choate just went 4-7 in his first year.

I want to see where we're at in mid October before we get too carried away.

 

[casewinter13]

Honestly have no idea about James Madison's team, coaches, etc. I can damn well guarantee they were not faced with the debacle Montana went through with Pflu, JJ, and then Delaney having to guide the ship to calmer waters. NDSU coaching change would be another success story. 1st year head coach and a NC. I just don't think it is a fair comparison.

Honest answer and appreciated. So maybe we could all agree that there are factors here that go beyond logic and approach shit-house luck or shit-house bad luck. And that may negate the argument that Stitt needs five years to show his meddle. It is probably 50/50 that another coach in 2018 would have a better record than Stitt with all Stitt recruits in place. Ya roll the dice and take your chances.

I would imagine James Madison's absurdly talented o line and NFL talent at running back played a small role. Details do matter

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[Copper Griz]

Honestly have no idea about James Madison's team, coaches, etc. I can damn well guarantee they were not faced with the debacle Montana went through with Pflu, JJ, and then Delaney having to guide the ship to calmer waters. NDSU coaching change would be another success story. 1st year head coach and a NC. I just don't think it is a fair comparison.

Honest answer and appreciated. So maybe we could all agree that there are factors here that go beyond logic and approach shit-house luck or shit-house bad luck. And that may negate the argument that Stitt needs five years to show his meddle. It is probably 50/50 that another coach in 2018 would have a better record than Stitt with all Stitt recruits in place. Ya roll the dice and take your chances.

Agree. Hope it doesn't happen, but definitely a possibility.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Experience makes coaches better and if Hauck did come back, we'd be getting a better HC now that what we originally got when he first came here.

Saying that, I also expect experience to result in improvements with Stitt and his young coaching staff. I really thing that Semore having a full year under his belt in coordinating duties, will be to his and the team's benefit.

My hope is that the team takes care of business this fall and that we can all wish Hauck the best of luck in his coaching endeavors elsewhere. If not, then I hope Hauck is considered, but I would bet the chances of Stitt being HC in 2018 are substantially more likely than Hauck being HC here. Just my opinion.

 

[PlayerRep]

And how many inferior teams did BH lose to at home in the first round, 4?

Hauck's teams made it to the semi's 4 times in 7 years. Didn't even lose 4 first round games, let alone at home and to inferior teams. Lost to CP once, but not sure they were inferior at that point of the season.

Lost at home to Wofford in 2008 I believe.

But yeah, downplaying Hauck's success is ridiculous.

Oh, I agree. I'm just making the point that it's unfair (and inaccurate) to only highlight the great from Bobby and the poor from Stitt.

Okay, which of the two would have done better the last 2 years at UM? There's an apples to apples comparison. Let's see you or anyone say that Hauck would have done worse than Stitt? Put up or shut up.

 

[snap]

It's probably already been mentioned, but I wonder if Hauck's next HC job might be NAU.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

I never cared for BH for numerous reasons. He just did not exemplify qualities I cared for, other than winning. He was a winner as a coach - period. The guy can coach and he gets results, but he could not win the big one and his offense was vanilla. He also inherited a Cadillac when he took over. Stitt got a Chrysler Lebaron. To compare the two is foolhardy at this juncture. Bobby had his chance. I hope the U of M gives Stitt a fair shake. I believe they will.

Sorry Copper, based on these comments - You do not know Bobby and the Hauck family.

Now, based on truth, Stitt will be our UM head coach in 2017 and we need to get 100% behind him.

 

[brewskis]

Stitt has a vastly different view of how he wants to run a program compared to previous Griz coaches. I'd say that Glen - Hauck was a transition that everyone stomached easily, with little changes in scheme and ideology.

Delaney - Stitt has been reinventing the wheel. It's not easy. It's dirty, it involves resolving a lot of Delaneys recruiting downfalls, and finding the right leaders on the team. But that's okay. I think that the camaraderie on the team is a sign that we are going in the right direction. Games are won and lost on the field, and I like the way that the players are looking.


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[grizeyes]

What Sam said. Hopefully B.S. and the team take care of business this season and we wish B.H. good luck. If not, I would like to see B.H. put the band back together.

GO GRIZ!

 

[mtgriz]

Finding a clutch playmaker at quarterback is the key. Bohl had a pretty pedestrian record in 2008 and 2009. Then Brock Jensen and Carson Wentz happened. 52-7 for the next four seasons. Those two led some pretty dramatic comeback wins that differentiate elite teams.

If Gustafson had made a habit of having games like he did against NDSU in his first start, Stitt's trajectory would be completely different right now. I am not knocking Gustafson, rather pointing out how important the QB position has become in today's football in differentiating the top coaches/teams.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Hauck's teams made it to the semi's 4 times in 7 years. Didn't even lose 4 first round games, let alone at home and to inferior teams. Lost to CP once, but not sure they were inferior at that point of the season.

Lost at home to Wofford in 2008 I believe.

But yeah, downplaying Hauck's success is ridiculous.

Oh, I agree. I'm just making the point that it's unfair (and inaccurate) to only highlight the great from Bobby and the poor from Stitt.

Okay, which of the two would have done better the last 2 years at UM? There's an apples to apples comparison. Let's see you or anyone say that Hauck would have done worse than Stitt? Put up or shut up.

For the record, it is not an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Copper Griz]

Finding a clutch playmaker at quarterback is the key. Bohl had a pretty pedestrian record in 2008 and 2009. Then Brock Jensen and Carson Wentz happened. 52-7 for the next four seasons. Those two led some pretty dramatic comeback wins that differentiate elite teams.

If Gustafson had made a habit of having games like he did against NDSU in his first start, Stitt's trajectory would be completely different right now. I am not knocking Gustafson, rather pointing out how important the QB position has become in today's football in differentiating the top coaches/teams.

I don't disagree with your assessment. The other question was the O-line. NDSU had beasts on their line and a running game to support both Jensen and Wentz. Don't get me wrong, they were both great QB's. I don't think Delaney did a good job of recruiting linemen with DOLA. Add in Stitt's offense and schemes and it is hard to tell if there was a single problem or if there were problems at several positions - including the play calling.

 

[griz5700]

It's probably already been mentioned, but I wonder if Hauck's next HC job might be NAU.

That would be a very bad thing for Montana and the rest of the BSC...

 

[EverettGriz]

Hauck's teams made it to the semi's 4 times in 7 years. Didn't even lose 4 first round games, let alone at home and to inferior teams. Lost to CP once, but not sure they were inferior at that point of the season.

Lost at home to Wofford in 2008 I believe.

But yeah, downplaying Hauck's success is ridiculous.

Oh, I agree. I'm just making the point that it's unfair (and inaccurate) to only highlight the great from Bobby and the poor from Stitt.

Okay, which of the two would have done better the last 2 years at UM? There's an apples to apples comparison. Let's see you or anyone say that Hauck would have done worse than Stitt? Put up or shut up.

I'll answer with a question: Who would have done better teaching the 3rd grade class at Warren G. Harding Elementary, Joe McGilucuddy or Frank Zappa? Put up or shut up!!

Point is, there's no correct answer, because there is -- literally -- an infinite numbers of variables at play.

 

[argh!]

Okay, which of the two would have done better the last 2 years at UM? There's an apples to apples comparison. Let's see you or anyone say that Hauck would have done worse than Stitt? Put up or shut up.

geezus, what a stupid fucking post, greenie. i'll bet you 58 million dollars hauck would have done worse.

 

[grizpsych]

Bobby coached team.

1: took over after a powerhouse Joe Glenn team.
2: coached for 7 years to establish his reputation

Stitt's team

1: took over after three years of hibernating and poor recruiting under the helm of Delaney
2: Two years into his tenure in Missoula


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This!

 

[grizpsych]

Man. I hope no one on the team looks at this. Talk about shitting where you eat. You all are fucked!

 

[grizfan406]

Regarding this discussion let me first start by saying I am completely behind Bob Stitt and think griz nation is on the right path and on the verge of some great things.

I watched almost every game last year live and then again later. We were in every game except at EWU. Every game we played we had great energy and enthusiasm with the exception of, again EWU, but definitely came out flat against NC and MSU. Both later games could have been won simply by playing harder, tougher and with more heart. All X’s and O’s aside, all it would have taken was greater effort.

With that said I would say with 100% certainty that had Hauck been coaching the team last year, we would have won the last two, without a doubt simply because Hauck always had his team ready and they never, ever lacked heart or effort once they took the field. I did not like what happened off the field though. Off the field I felt like some of the players had a high and mighty, pompous attitude, attitudes that may not have been the healthiest in the long run for the University, the community of Missoula, or Griz Nation at large.

Even thought I think a Hauck team would have had a better record last year I have to weight the cost. Our beloved program, our Cadillac whos keys had been passed down with care, was crashing and burning. No one can honestly say that Hauck had nothing to do with it. No, you cannot police and watch every single player all the time but you have to look at the locker room and the culture within. Hauck was the head coach, the leader, he had the keys to the car and shortly after he left the car crashed. I loved Phlugrad and I know we would have success under him but we have to point a small percentage of criticism his way as well.

With all this said I would still rather have Stitt as my coach. He is changing the culture of the team to one of unity. His recruits have reiterated time and again that he takes the time to get to know them above and beyond football. He is getting to know them as men. He is taking the time to ensure that they have the tenor and character to deserve the privilege of being a Griz. He is finding young men who will win with great class and dignity. AND he is bringing in very talented players...allegedly.. The Griz are on the right track albeit a work in progress but I for one stand behind Stitt 100%

 

[i_the_sky]

Bobby Hauck had 80+ wins and played in three national championship's Stit has never won the BSC championship...Hauck was a big part of the aura of the Grizzlies Stit is quickly going in the sewer...To try to compare these two is a joke Stit couldn't carry the water bucket for Bobby Hauck! Hopefully Stit's contract is dropped and Bobby will return!!! Ask the 2017 players they will tell you. There's no respect for Stit... That says it all! Absolutely no comparison here. Hauck is far, far superior to Stit!!! Hauck is a top notch football coach Stit is a weak politician...I say can Stit and rehire Hauck back this year.Do not under any circumstance give Stit a new contract!

 

[get'em_griz]

Finding a clutch playmaker at quarterback is the key. Bohl had a pretty pedestrian record in 2008 and 2009. Then Brock Jensen and Carson Wentz happened. 52-7 for the next four seasons. Those two led some pretty dramatic comeback wins that differentiate elite teams.

If Gustafson had made a habit of having games like he did against NDSU in his first start, Stitt's trajectory would be completely different right now. I am not knocking Gustafson, rather pointing out how important the QB position has become in today's football in differentiating the top coaches/teams.

+1. The QB position is huge, and all it takes is one good QB to step in and change the trajectory. Hopefully Stitt has that type of QB on the roster now that can make game-changing differences.