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Bison - loaded again
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RayWill
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Dutch Lane said:
Yes, typo meant big. Just seems like every time you see a program have that inordinate amount of success something happens. Like SMU. The original question was what could stop them or derail them. If there is no scandal I don't think anything will. They have obviously found a formula that works and I don't think anyone will come close to stopping it unless something big happens.
IdahoGrizFan
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So I guess it is a race for 2nd place.
NDSU will not "go away" for some time. Their program was strong 50 yrs ago. Yes, they've had their ups & downs, but NDSU is a football school from way back. Now, the Griz have to beat the Bizons' record 5 consecutive FCS championships; that should be tacked on the locker room wall. No, not a Bizon fan, just aware of them, from long ago.
Gene Taylor, NDSU AD(now AD at Kansas State) hired both Bohl and Klieman(3 NCs apiece). Matt Larsen, AD since fall 2014, let it roll, as did the NDSU administration. No one tried to fix what wasn't broken.
Contrast this to Montana's post BH endeavors. O'Day, apparently, tried to 'fix' the no NC problem, by hiring Pflu, who took the Griz to 7-4 and OUT of the playoffs for the first time in 18 years. To Pflu's credit, he took the Griz back to the semi's, but lost. What might have been...enter Engstrom...Haslam, Delaney, and Stitt. The rest we all know.
What really needed 'fixing?' Under BH, the Griz had
seven conference titles, three first round playoff teams, one quarterfinal team, one semifinal team, and three shots at the NC, but no NC. Was it really necessary to 'fix' this 'problem?' It wasn't broken, there was no problem, but...
Jim O'Day could answer this, and would be infinitely better than my observations and speculation.
Basically, administration can derail NDSU, absent some major event which UM endured.
Contrast this to Montana's post BH endeavors. O'Day, apparently, tried to 'fix' the no NC problem, by hiring Pflu, who took the Griz to 7-4 and OUT of the playoffs for the first time in 18 years. To Pflu's credit, he took the Griz back to the semi's, but lost. What might have been...enter Engstrom...Haslam, Delaney, and Stitt. The rest we all know.
What really needed 'fixing?' Under BH, the Griz had
seven conference titles, three first round playoff teams, one quarterfinal team, one semifinal team, and three shots at the NC, but no NC. Was it really necessary to 'fix' this 'problem?' It wasn't broken, there was no problem, but...
Jim O'Day could answer this, and would be infinitely better than my observations and speculation.
Basically, administration can derail NDSU, absent some major event which UM endured.
….the bisons are on good footings and will be for the foreseeable future..they have a great pipeline
into Minnesota and Wisconsin and have built on that and expanded it...they are closer to metropolitan
areas which can bring desirable dividends...what has been amazing is how the Griz of the past were
so good in spite of these dis-advantages..go Montana..go Griz..go Bobby!
into Minnesota and Wisconsin and have built on that and expanded it...they are closer to metropolitan
areas which can bring desirable dividends...what has been amazing is how the Griz of the past were
so good in spite of these dis-advantages..go Montana..go Griz..go Bobby!
sdk.catfish
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Well, there was a slight problem in that BH left to go elsewhere. The rest of the stuff could have been handled so much better and to that I believe we agree.
CatGrad-UMGradStu
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Grizzoola said:
They were always good when I was in high school in the 60s. I get reminded by my NODAK relatives they have 14 National Championships since 1964 in football and only three losing seasons since almost forever. Well run school and great adminstrators.
4theluvofgriz
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Colter_Nuanez56 said:
The Bison are enjoying the same kind of run that we had for many years (except they are winning championships). Just like we used to do, they never re-build, they just re-load. Compare the experience they return to our obvious lack of returning experience, and it should become obvious that we are in a RE-BUILDING phase, but many refuse to accept it.
During our illustrious past era of dominance, we always had great depth at every position, with the back-ups seeing significant PT in most games, due to the fact that we were usually blowing-out opponents mid-way through the third quarter, and due to the fact that our reserves were nearly as good as our starters. What is painfully obvious when looking at our projected starting line-up, as well as their back-ups, is that we are starting kids with little or limited game-time experience, with back-ups mostly having no game experience. As always, we will have injuries during the season, and we just don't have the talent nor experience to have the "next man up" philosophy that served us so well for many years.
I am confident that we have the head coach in place to return us to that level. But as I have stressed before.... don't have unrealistic expectations for this season, or even next season. Rome wasn't built in a day. We are in a re-building mode. Accept that fact and give Bobby time to recruit.
Got to agree with the rebuilding description. Lets put all our resources and collective wisdom into print, and collaborate on a book entitled 'The Decline And Fall Of The Grizzly Football Empire: The day to day destruction of a mighty program, 2010 through 2017.' The sequel is a bit tenuous at this point, but bound to be a best seller.
BadlandsGrizFan
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HookedonGriz said:Colter_Nuanez56 said:
A bigger stadium and move to FBS
They actually dont have a stadium....the city of Fargo lets them play in the stadium.
BadlandsGrizFan
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RayWill said:
Is it ironic that their football program took off at the same time the Bakken started pouring millions into the pockets of North Dakotans????
garizzalies said:
Nope, Engstrom.Then the wrong hire by Haslam. Pflu, and if not him Hauck, should have been the UM coaches all along. Very good coaches. Continuity. Would have embraced the Griz family and history. Attendance and donations would have been much higher, both with those coaches and the success they would have brought.
Leadership is very important. Weak leaders make wrong and bad decisions, including bad hires. Bodnar, O'Day, Hogan, Hauck and Pflu, for example. Not intending to knock Haslam, by not mentioning. Just prefer the others.
runtheoption
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Colter_Nuanez56 said:
I suspect it will have something to do with a combination of heart disease, diabeetus and cargo shorts.
runtheoption said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
NativeGriz
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And hire Royce Engstrom as prez. But I have a feeling there is only one BOR dumb enough to hire RE.garizzalies said: