Big Sky brass pleased with first Reno run

[putter]

I enjoyed the tourney when it was in MSLA, too, but I'd enjoy it even more in Reno. I can make games in MSLA every year, but Reno offers much more.

I don't get most of this board. They always want UM (or the BSC) to grow, get more national exposure, etc, but when that happens, it's gripe city on here. They are 100% in favor of progress but 1000% against change.

The problem is, having the tourney in Reno does not give the BSC better national coverage. The new commish needs to talk to ROOT, Altitude or Fox and get the tourney on the tube. That will begin to help with the exposure

 

[garizzalies]

We need to do all we can to COMPETE with the big boys, not emulate them. That's how the league gets better. That's how it grows. There's nothing inconsistent in that argument at all.

You think the way to "grow" the conference is by "emulating" the smaller conferences instead of the bigger ones? Has that ever worked for any other conference? Any other industry for that matter? If your suggestion makes so much sense, why don't more conferences do it that way?
Face it, it's a fanboy mentality: You don't want to ensure that the best team advances, you want to ensure that UM has the best chance to advance. That's the exact kind of thinking which keeps our national exposure limited to the bitterroot valley.

 

[garizzalies]

I enjoyed the tourney when it was in MSLA, too, but I'd enjoy it even more in Reno. I can make games in MSLA every year, but Reno offers much more.

I don't get most of this board. They always want UM (or the BSC) to grow, get more national exposure, etc, but when that happens, it's gripe city on here. They are 100% in favor of progress but 1000% against change.

The problem is, having the tourney in Reno does not give the BSC better national coverage. The new commish needs to talk to ROOT, Altitude or Fox and get the tourney on the tube. That will begin to help with the exposure

I agree it needs to be better televised. Assuming it was better televised, do you think we'd get more national exposure if the tourney were hosted in MSLA or Reno? IMO, it's definitely Reno. Here's why: if I'm some non-BSC fan flipping through the channels on championship weekend and I realize there's some tournament in NV, that would imply to me that its similar to the other tournaments being held that week in NV, or other destination cities in the West. But, if I instead see its in some Podunk town in MT, I would likely assume its some kind of high school thing and keep flipping. Whether we want to face it or not, that's the way the rest of the country views us.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Award conference games and regular conference standings some form of meaning (otherwise conference play becomes a meaningless, fan-interest-killing travesty).

So, to include all 12 teams:

• Award the top four seeds a first-game bye;
• have a 5-through-12 seed single-game qualifier, played at the top seeded team's home court;
• with winners advancing to an 8-team, three-day, single-elimination NCAA-Qualifying tourney.

 

[EverettGriz]

We need to do all we can to COMPETE with the big boys, not emulate them. That's how the league gets better. That's how it grows. There's nothing inconsistent in that argument at all.

You think the way to "grow" the conference is by "emulating" the smaller conferences instead of the bigger ones? Has that ever worked for any other conference? Any other industry for that matter? If your suggestion makes so much sense, why don't more conferences do it that way?
Face it, it's a fanboy mentality: You don't want to ensure that the best team advances, you want to ensure that UM has the best chance to advance. That's the exact kind of thinking which keeps our national exposure limited to the bitterroot valley.

Absolutely not. I think the best way to grow the conference is for it to get better. I believe a primary way to do that is to win a few games in the NCAA tournament. Big conferences get 7 teams to the tourney. Until we get 7 teams, we shouldn't do what they do.

And I'm not even sure what "fanboy mentality" is. It sounds like a website I wouldn't visit. But yes, I'd like Montana to advance every year, but particularly when they're the best team, which often they are. But if you think I'm only making this argument for Montana's sake, I'd be promoting Missoula as the place for the tournament every year. No one is doing that. I think this year's tournament should have been held in Ogden. They earned it, and the crowds and atmosphere would have been exactly the opposite off reno . That is to say, good.

 

[EverettGriz]

Award conference games and regular conference standings some form of meaning (otherwise conference play becomes a meaningless, fan-interest-killing travesty).

So, to include all 12 teams:

• Award the top four seeds a first-game bye;
• have a 5-through-12 seed single-game qualifier, played at the top seeded team's home court;
• with winners advancing to an 8-team, three-day, single-elimination NCAA-Qualifying tourney.

Exactly. I made this very suggestion earlier. And no off days for lower seeds before they face higher. That was insanity.

 

[garizzalies]

Award conference games and regular conference standings some form of meaning (otherwise conference play becomes a meaningless, fan-interest-killing travesty).

So, to include all 12 teams:

• Award the top four seeds a first-game bye;
• have a 5-through-12 seed single-game qualifier, played at the top seeded team's home court;
• with winners advancing to an 8-team, three-day, single-elimination NCAA-Qualifying tourney.

No offense, but your suggestion sounds gimmicky to me (high school-ish). I like that we are now part of "championship week" like the rest of the country and not some weird outlier. If I were a recruit, I would look at it that way. If we really are a D1 school, let's act like it.
And why does there have to be more of an "award" than two byes and playing lower seeds? Why is that sufficient for everyone else but not our conference?

 

[grizzlyjournal]

We need to do all we can to COMPETE with the big boys, not emulate them. That's how the league gets better. That's how it grows. There's nothing inconsistent in that argument at all.

You think the way to "grow" the conference is by "emulating" the smaller conferences instead of the bigger ones? Has that ever worked for any other conference? Any other industry for that matter? If your suggestion makes so much sense, why don't more conferences do it that way?
Face it, it's a fanboy mentality: You don't want to ensure that the best team advances, you want to ensure that UM has the best chance to advance. That's the exact kind of thinking which keeps our national exposure limited to the bitterroot valley.

Absolutely not. I think the best way to grow the conference is for it to get better. I believe a primary way to do that is to win a few games in the NCAA tournament. Big conferences get 7 teams to the tourney. Until we get 7 teams, we shouldn't do what they do.

And I'm not even sure what "fanboy mentality" is. It sounds like a website I wouldn't visit. But yes, I'd like Montana to advance every year, but particularly when they're the best team, which often they are. But if you think I'm only making this argument for Montana's sake, I'd be promoting Missoula as the place for the tournament every year. No one is doing that. I think this year's tournament should have been held in Ogden. They earned it, and the crowds and atmosphere would have been exactly the opposite off reno . That is to say, good.

Yes to all of this, Everett. Having the conference-play champ places high importance on every conference game. I would have been prepared to travel to Ogden for the tourney. It makes sense, if for the only reason (and there are many local-business-supporting reasons) because the regular season champs earned the right to host.

 

[EverettGriz]

Award conference games and regular conference standings some form of meaning (otherwise conference play becomes a meaningless, fan-interest-killing travesty).

So, to include all 12 teams:

• Award the top four seeds a first-game bye;
• have a 5-through-12 seed single-game qualifier, played at the top seeded team's home court;
• with winners advancing to an 8-team, three-day, single-elimination NCAA-Qualifying tourney.

No offense, but your suggestion sounds gimmicky to me (high school-ish). I like that we are now part of "championship week" like the rest of the country and not some weird outlier. If I were a recruit, I would look at it that way. If we really are a D1 school, let's act like it.
And why does there have to be more of an "award" than two byes and playing lower seeds? Why is that sufficient for everyone else but not our conference?

We don't get two byes, garriz. Hell, even the ACC awards their top teams 2 byes in their tournament. And all of those teams are going to the NCAAs anyhow!

 

[EverettGriz]

Of course, the easiest solution to the problem would be to join a conference with multiple bids.

 

[garizzalies]

Big conferences get 7 teams to the tourney. Until we get 7 teams, we shouldn't do what they do.

Super inconsistent. How do we grow to get more teams in the tourney? Oh, I know, lets emulate the little guys. Makes no sense at all.

I think this year's tournament should have been held in Ogden. They earned it, and the crowds and atmosphere would have been exactly the opposite off reno . That is to say, good.

Who gives a fuck about attendance? Seriously. That is the dumbest argument. You can't bitch about attendance when your sitting at home. Mavman is the only one that can do that. It's like all those idiots that bitch about people not getting back to their seats after halftime, when they're 1000 miles away sitting on their couch. :lol: Most of these tournaments look like they are in empty gyms. Hell, you couldn't even tell on the Reno crowd because they wouldn't even show the (lack of) crowd. The BSC already has most of the people in attendance hooked. The way to grow and get more exposure is through TV being watch by "other" people who are not already hooked.

 

[garizzalies]

We don't get two byes, garriz. Hell, even the ACC awards their top teams 2 byes in their tournament. And all of those teams are going to the NCAAs anyhow!

I meant two teams get byes.
If you want to take the ACC route, that's fine with me. It's sounds way less gimmicky than a "tournament" which actually has 6 different venues.

 

[EverettGriz]

garraiz, with all due respect, there's nothing inconsistent in my (our, since seemingly the vast majority of bsc fans feel this way) argument.

I've said all along that I WANT to be in a major conference, or that the bsc become one. But what constitutes a major conference isn't how they run their conference tournament; it's how many teams they put in the NCAA tournament. If the bsc were a multi-bid league, they could hold their tournament on the top of Mt Everest and invite junior high teams. No one would care because, like every major conference in the country, the tournament wouldn't mean jack. Win. Lose. Doesn't matter. You're still dancin'.

In the bsc, the tournament is EVERYTHING, effectively rendering the entire 27 game season meaningless. Many of us would like to see some meaning added back to those 27 games.

 

[grizindabox]

BSC tourney = success

 

[EverettGriz]

BSC tourney = success

Perhaps by bsc standards. But we know how low that bar has been set....

Seriously, I'm curious how anyone could label it a "success" What was successful about it, exactly? The crowds? The outstanding television..err... internet coverage on which the announcers couldn't pronounce half the players in the league? The officiating?

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Attendance doesnt matter? I am certain that the BSC officials would like to see good attendance and is really hoping for improvement over this year. To say attendance doesnt matter is idiotic. I am not sure if Reno will work out or not but as I have said before if the players and coaches like it (after all they are the ones that matter most) and it is financially viable and it fosters BSC growth and competition with the "big boys" than noone can ask for more. There is no current evidence this will happen and there is evidence that attendance was low this year and not surprising that people are not confident it will change. Why cant people that didnt attend the tournament complain about its location and duration when those are the reasons some people on here were unable to attend? Where does Mavman live? He obviously had a situation that allowed him to go. Is the entire egriz community now required to check with garizzlies and Mavman to express opinions?

 

[grizindabox]

BSC tourney = success

Perhaps by bsc standards. But we know how low that bar has been set....

Seriously, I'm curious how anyone could label it a "success" What was successful about it, exactly? The crowds? The outstanding television..err... internet coverage on which the announcers couldn't pronounce half the players in the league? The officiating?

The results......

 

[EverettGriz]

BSC tourney = success

Perhaps by bsc standards. But we know how low that bar has been set....

Seriously, I'm curious how anyone could label it a "success" What was successful about it, exactly? The crowds? The outstanding television..err... internet coverage on which the announcers couldn't pronounce half the players in the league? The officiating?

The results......

I'm still confused. You mean that some teams won and some lost? That Weber was the champ and Montana second?

 

[grizindabox]

BSC tourney = success

Perhaps by bsc standards. But we know how low that bar has been set....

Seriously, I'm curious how anyone could label it a "success" What was successful about it, exactly? The crowds? The outstanding television..err... internet coverage on which the announcers couldn't pronounce half the players in the league? The officiating?

The results......

I'm still confused. You mean that some teams won and some lost? That Weber was the champ and Montana second?

no....I meant it gave small peckered EverettGriz another thing to piss and moan about......dumbass....

 

[EverettGriz]

Well, that's something for the bsc to hang their hat on, I guess.

Seriously. What results? And were those results better or worse than last year when the tournaments were held in Missoula? Can you not address your own point?